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The Don said:
The Conservatives in general, and Boris Johnson in particular, proudly boasted of building "40 new hospitals". It turned out that there were nothing of the sort, in effect installing a new vending machine in an existing hospital was counted as a "new hospital" for counting purposes *.

Now it turns out that no actual building work has been done on 33 of 40 hospitals:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65607962




They lie as easily as they breathe. :mad:

The big problem for most of them is that there simply isn't any actual build money (despite the government saying that it was).



Of course no-one living in the right wing media bubble will hear anything of this.

* - Not actually true but building a new wing, or refurbishing an existing wing on an existing hospital did count.
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I thought that the "forty new hospitals" thing was four actual new hospitals, about ten hospital enlargements and about 26 remedial works to existing hospitals to stop them falling down. And the second and third categories were already approved



 
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I thought that the "forty new hospitals" thing was four actual new hospitals, about ten hospital enlargements and about 26 remedial works to existing hospitals to stop them falling down. And the second and third categories were already approved
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They may have been approved, but apparently they weren't funded.
 
The "National Concervatives" are simply Britain's version of the MAGARATS in the US except they don;t really have a leader to rally around.
 
GlennB said:
Where do they get these ******* wankers?
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Oxbridge and (in his case) the British Grammar School system. Having been through the latter myself, I can imagine how it emulated public schools - in fact my (state-funded) grammar school (and a few others) is owned by the same worshipful company that owns the local public school.
 
God, it looks as the Tories are now competing with Trump wing of the GOP in the US in the making outrageous statements department.
Signs of desperation, maybe?
 
dudalb said:
Is Widdecombe trying to be the UK's answer to Marjoris Taylor Green?
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She would take exception to that. Having been infamous for ordering pregnant prisoners to be chained to hospital beds as Prisons minister in John Major's government.

She used to be Church of England but left to the Roman Catholic church because she couldn't believe in women priests, but could bring herself to believe in transubstantiation.

She's been deranged for far longer. But at least she did have an understanding about what was appropriate to claim on expenses. She likes wine, but would pay for that herself, even when claiming for meals.


dudalb said:
God, it looks as the Tories are now competing with Trump wing of the GOP in the US in the making outrageous statements department.
Signs of desperation, maybe?
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Meanwhile on the other stupid statements - I liked this observation:

https://twitter.com/AntacsB/status/1659104041790496769?s=20


Labour Party:
Britain, we're the party of home ownership. We will build homes for all.

Conservative Party:
When I was a kid we use to swim in crap.
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Or the more flippant reply to Brian Cox's disgust.

https://twitter.com/HiFiAlan/status/1659120999814635522

Mind you, I do remember, in the late fifties and sixties, going to Blackpool for a day out and, rather than swimming in the sea, just going through the motions ...
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Widdecombe is a pathetic attention whore. Her positions have become ever more extreme as her relevance and inflence have waned.

When her mainstream political career fizzled out she went on Strictly in an attempt to become a 'character' - this might have worked, if only she weren't utterly devoid of charisma, charm, or likeability.

That plan to remain in the spotlight having failed/backfired, she rejoined politics just long enough to persuade too many idiots to vote for 'Brexit'. Since then she's just been a try-hard, wannabe facist, socially constipated 'Christian' ********, spewing the requested bile whenever the money's right.
 
junkshop said:
Widdecombe is a pathetic attention whore. Her positions have become ever more extreme as her relevance and inflence have waned.

When her mainstream political career fizzled out she went on Strictly in an attempt to become a 'character' - this might have worked, if only she weren't utterly devoid of charisma, charm, or likeability.

That plan to remain in the spotlight having failed/backfired, she rejoined politics just long enough to persuade too many idiots to vote for 'Brexit'. Since then she's just been a try-hard, wannabe facist, socially constipated 'Christian' ********, spewing the requested bile whenever the money's right.
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Don't hold back ... what do you really think about Widdecombe?
 
junkshop said:
Widdecombe is a pathetic attention whore. Her positions have become ever more extreme as her relevance and inflence have waned.

When her mainstream political career fizzled out she went on Strictly in an attempt to become a 'character' - this might have worked, if only she weren't utterly devoid of charisma, charm, or likeability.

That plan to remain in the spotlight having failed/backfired, she rejoined politics just long enough to persuade too many idiots to vote for 'Brexit'. Since then she's just been a try-hard, wannabe facist, socially constipated 'Christian' ********, spewing the requested bile whenever the money's right.
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This is an appropriate criticism. I was always annoyed by attacks on her appearance, when her character and actions were so much worse.
 
Mashuna said:
This is an appropriate criticism. I was always annoyed by attacks on her appearance, when her character and actions were so much worse.
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Indeed, and, like Johnson, and Rees-Mogg it was calculated. To distract from everything else. Again attempting to make herself a figure of fun (I assume she was "hilariously" bad at the celebrity dancing) to slip her nasty policies through by seeming to be a clown. And a bit of a laugh.
 
Many years ago when I lived in Kent, Widdecombe was my MP. She started off as an entirely respectable MP doing constituency work: a friend of mine wrote to her about a problem with a road junction and a few days later she was there with some police and some blokes in hi-viz, making notes and taking photos, all of which led to some improved signalling and visibility. But then she got promoted from the back benches and turned into a raging lunatic.
 
On the subject of sewerage.

An enlightening website to see discharges in your local area.

https://top-of-the-poops.org/


I do think that issue has crystallised a lot of the disquiet - especially amongst those who are generally small c conservative and tend to vote Tory by habit, inertia and sometimes fear of Labour.
 
jimbob said:
On the subject of sewerage.

An enlightening website to see discharges in your local area.

https://top-of-the-poops.org/


I do think that issue has crystallised a lot of the disquiet - especially amongst those who are generally small c conservative and tend to vote Tory by habit, inertia and sometimes fear of Labour.
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It is a bigger topic of chats around here than the state of the NHS (which is of course down to all these strikes...).
 
Darat said:
It is a bigger topic of chats around here than the state of the NHS (which is of course down to all these strikes...).
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Likewise in the wealthy part of Kent where Dad lived, although there is a lot of sympathy for the NHS staff.
 
jimbob said:
On the subject of sewerage.

An enlightening website to see discharges in your local area.

https://top-of-the-poops.org/


I do think that issue has crystallised a lot of the disquiet - especially amongst those who are generally small c conservative and tend to vote Tory by habit, inertia and sometimes fear of Labour.
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Its not just the fact that many beaches are in a poor state, but that they have stopped monitoring many beaches (at least in our area) that are used regularly.

When I used to do the testing many years ago, we had about 12 beaches to sample. Now there's 8, and many of those that were stopped have actually increased in how busy they are over the years.
 
wobs said:
Its not just the fact that many beaches are in a poor state, but that they have stopped monitoring many beaches (at least in our area) that are used regularly.

When I used to do the testing many years ago, we had about 12 beaches to sample. Now there's 8, and many of those that were stopped have actually increased in how busy they are over the years.
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It's the Donald Trump/Raymond Babbitt approach to testing: the fewer beaches you test, the fewer will fail.
 
junkshop said:
Widdecombe is a pathetic attention whore. Her positions have become ever more extreme as her relevance and inflence have waned.

When her mainstream political career fizzled out she went on Strictly in an attempt to become a 'character' - this might have worked, if only she weren't utterly devoid of charisma, charm, or likeability.

That plan to remain in the spotlight having failed/backfired, she rejoined politics just long enough to persuade too many idiots to vote for 'Brexit'. Since then she's just been a try-hard, wannabe facist, socially constipated 'Christian' ********, spewing the requested bile whenever the money's right.
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Well, she and MTG have THAT in common.
 
jimbob said:
On the subject of sewerage.

An enlightening website to see discharges in your local area.

https://top-of-the-poops.org/


I do think that issue has crystallised a lot of the disquiet - especially amongst those who are generally small c conservative and tend to vote Tory by habit, inertia and sometimes fear of Labour.
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Jesus ******* christ. That website is horrifying.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Jesus ******* christ. That website is horrifying.
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As they say, it's almost certainly an optimistic snapshot

The figures, supplied by the water companies themselves, understate the problem, as the data is poorly collected by the Water Companies, with monitoring defective or in many cases completely absent. Many recordings of data don't seem to be associated with a valid permit, so it is impossible to know where they are.
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Jesus ******* christ. That website is horrifying.
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And the thing that's most annoying is that water bill will rise to fund improvements. These improvements will largely never happen and tens of billions of pounds will end up in the pockets of shareholders (often sovereign wealth funds) and the British public will end up poorer and our waterways will continue to be full of sewage,, our pipes will continue to leak, our chalk streams and acquifers will continue to be plundered and there'll be hosepipe bans as soon as the flooding stops.:mad:
 
I seem to remember this being discussed at the time of privatisation, and it being suggested that imposing controls on charges but no controls on profits taken would lead to cutting corners, but I can't find anything about it.
 
Mojo said:
I seem to remember this being discussed at the time of privatisation, and it being suggested that imposing controls on charges but no controls on profits taken would lead to cutting corners, but I can't find anything about it.
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I've worked in the privatised electricity, water and rail industries and one of the things they spend the most time doing is managing the regulator.
 
It's a shame that the UUP and SDLP are losing ground. Not to Sinn Féin, I actually don't mind Sinn Féin. I mean to the DUP. The DUP are just...horrible. They make the Tories look like super woke antifa people.
 
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It's a shame that the UUP and SDLP are losing ground. Not to Sinn Féin, I actually don't mind Sinn Féin. I mean to the DUP. The DUP are just...horrible. They make the Tories look like super woke antifa people.
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I do.
Apathy in the Unionist vote and Beattie's.........personality aren't helping them.
At least the Alliance vote is significantly improved.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
It's a shame that the UUP and SDLP are losing ground. Not to Sinn Féin, I actually don't mind Sinn Féin. I mean to the DUP. The DUP are just...horrible. They make the Tories look like super woke antifa people.
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catsmate said:
I do.
Apathy in the Unionist vote and Beattie's.........personality aren't helping them.
At least the Alliance vote is significantly improved.
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IMO it's a worrying trend that the "moderate" nationalist and unionist parties are losing support to the more extreme parties. That Traditional Unionist Voice has any support at all is scary and the DUP, despite all their shenanigans, keeping the same number of councillors looks like people are simply voting based on their sectarian leaning and, most disappointingly, that 25 years of comparative peace and prosperity hasn't caused a tectonic shift in the young who still appear to be mired in their sectarian silos.

I know I'm too pessimistic but these results are depressing (as usual) and seem to indicate that Northern Ireland is still as riven as it has ever been and it's only the sticking plaster of the Northern Ireland Agreement (NIA) which is maintaining the status quo. Given that the UK government seems determined to break the NIA to keep the Tory Brexit loons quiet, it bodes badly for the future. :(
 
Sinn Fein may have looked at the SNP and realised, don't put independence front and central, people are more interested in their day to day lives.

However, Sinn Fein have also had the luxury of not having to make many decisions, during the extended closure of Stormont and how it is local government which has the greatest impact on people's daily lives.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
It's a shame that the UUP and SDLP are losing ground. Not to Sinn Féin, I actually don't mind Sinn Féin. I mean to the DUP. The DUP are just...horrible. They make the Tories look like super woke antifa people.
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Don't worry the NSDUP are losing ground too. Their vote was down c. 1% from the las assembly election.
 
The Don said:
IMO it's a worrying trend that the "moderate" nationalist and unionist parties are losing support to the more extreme parties. That Traditional Unionist Voice has any support at all is scary and the DUP, despite all their shenanigans, keeping the same number of councillors looks like people are simply voting based on their sectarian leaning and, most disappointingly, that 25 years of comparative peace and prosperity hasn't caused a tectonic shift in the young who still appear to be mired in their sectarian silos.

I know I'm too pessimistic but these results are depressing (as usual) and seem to indicate that Northern Ireland is still as riven as it has ever been and it's only the sticking plaster of the Northern Ireland Agreement (NIA) which is maintaining the status quo. Given that the UK government seems determined to break the NIA to keep the Tory Brexit loons quiet, it bodes badly for the future. :(
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Sinn Féin aren't an extremist party, haven't been for a long, long time. A big part of the SDLP's current problems stem from their lurch to paleo-conservatism in the 2000's and 2010's. It appeased their base, but their base was dying and it alienated younger voters.

On the unionist side, the only non-extremist party are Alliance, and they've just found their ceiling, 14% if they don't appease loyalist terrorists; 12% if they do.
 
Lots of Tories defending Braverman, by claiming all she did was ask civil servants to ask if she could get a speed awareness course to do on her own.

The public meanwhile are sick of Tories who think they are special and not like the rest of us.
 
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