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Homeopathy studies cited by UK Dept of Health
In the Test Your MP thread we have received a response from a candidate that they would follow Department of Health guidelines:
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References: 26 Linde K, Clausius N, Ramirez G et al. Are the clinical effects of homeopathy placebo effects? A meta-analysis of placebo controlled trials. Lancet 1997;350:834-43. 27 Kleijnen J, Knipschild P, Ter Riet G. Clinical trials of homeopathy. BMJ 1991;302:316-23. 28 Reilly D, Taylor MA, Beattie NG et al. Is evidence for homoeopathy reproducible? Lancet 1994;344:1601-6. 29 Reilly DT, Taylor MA, McSharry C et al. Is homoeopathy a placebo response? Controlled trial of homoeopathic potency, with pollen in hayfever as model. Lancet 1986;2(8512):881-6. 30 Papp R, Schuback G, Beck E et al. Oscillococcinum in patients with influenza-like syndromes: a placebo controlled double blind evaluation. British Homeopathic Journal 1998; 87:69-76. - - - - - - - - - - - - Influenza treatment? Does anyone know offhand any more about these studies, bearing in mind they are DoH guidelines for use of these therapies and are being quoted by politicians? |
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Re: Homeopathy studies cited by UK Dept of Health
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There seems to have been a lot of correspondence following it up. Unfortunately, I can only access back to 1996 on-line... Edit to add: The Lancet website is also not currently accepting new registrations, so I can't check the more recent paper either. |
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Hi,
This was covered in another thread a while back. I actually wrote to the UK government who proceeded to put me (and several other JREFers) in a beurecratic holding pattern so they never had to really substantiate their claims. It is pretty awful that they are validating the anti-vaccination and CAM crowd by claiming homepathy can treat influenza (which is a total lie.) BTW, oscillococinum is a bacterial tincture made from puree of duck liver. The problem is no one has ever verified that this bacteria even exists ![]() |
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Re: Homeopathy studies cited by UK Dept of Health
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Re: Re: Homeopathy studies cited by UK Dept of Health
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It doesn't cover Reilly explicitly, but his papers are included in all the relevant meta-analyses. In fact it was probably giving too much credence to Reilly that got Linde into the hole in the first place. As Geni said, Reilly keeps claiming he's replicated himself, too bad nobody else can. And he's not doing homoeopathy anyway, his treatments are isopathy. And if my recollection of a TV programme about his work shown about the time when Kleijnen first went into print is correct, his clinical effects amounted to about two coughs less per week in the treated group. A good claim to join the one that Oscillococcinum can shorten the duration of an attack of the flu by six hours! Rolfe. |
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This is all very interesting - thanks.
Rather concerning what the DoH considers evidence, and what they are prepared to spend money on. |
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