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Roger Coghill still rides.
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JamesM said:
...and I am proud to announce that JamesM is the winner of the "Understatement of the Month" award...!
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http://www.cogreslab.co.uk/prehistory.asp
"As I write, global warming (the infra red radiation problem) has meant the detachment of a iceberg the size of Portugal from Antarctica which is now drifting northward, melting as it goes. This in turn will increase the weight of water pressing down on that and other faultlines...from which there is only one consequence.
Some great stuff at that site. They actually have graduate students on staff at his ‘institute?†How does he make payroll? By selling magic cat beds? Come on!
"As I write, global warming (the infra red radiation problem) has meant the detachment of a iceberg the size of Portugal from Antarctica which is now drifting northward, melting as it goes. This in turn will increase the weight of water pressing down on that and other faultlines...from which there is only one consequence.
Some great stuff at that site. They actually have graduate students on staff at his ‘institute?†How does he make payroll? By selling magic cat beds? Come on!
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lace any human infant of less than three months age to sleep each night for at least eight hours in an ELF electric field of 100 Volts per metre for thirty days. My studies predict that child will die, or become so seriously ill that the test will have to be called off:Unquote
The electric field we all live in is typically 100 to 200 V/m with the ground positive (Not in thunderstorms, though, when it can be much greater.
lace any human infant of less than three months age to sleep each night for at least eight hours in an ELF electric field of 100 Volts per metre for thirty days. My studies predict that child will die, or become so seriously ill that the test will have to be called off:UnquoteThe electric field we all live in is typically 100 to 200 V/m with the ground positive (Not in thunderstorms, though, when it can be much greater.
One of my favourites is his: http://www.cogreslab.co.uk/brainc2.asp
And of course (as it seems nearly all these er... "complementary" sites promise) he can help your sex life with the wonderfully named "Mood Maker"
http://www.galonja.co.uk/galonja_sh...&g_u_nam=&g_tim=&pid=97&v_det=1&full=1&c_id=0
Well I suppose you'll not go blind!
And of course (as it seems nearly all these er... "complementary" sites promise) he can help your sex life with the wonderfully named "Mood Maker"
http://www.galonja.co.uk/galonja_sh...&g_u_nam=&g_tim=&pid=97&v_det=1&full=1&c_id=0
Well I suppose you'll not go blind!
Duplicate post.
Yahweh said:
Ethics - don't be silly, this isn't about ethics according to Coghill it is about killing a child to prove his point. What has ethics got to do with this? This is science!
Don’t forget as a condition of the challenge:
So if as Coghill claims will happen the child is harmed or even killed all he is bothered about is making sure the killing is publicised on his website for the entertainment of visitors to his site.
I suppose he could offer a video of the experiment and sell that for £9.95, perhaps list it between the Magnetic Cat Bed and the Mood Maker? Should turn a nice penny or two for him.
(Edited for words and formatting.)
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I also love his absolute nonsense explanation ofPhoton Platinium. Roger seems to think that a conductor of a specific lenght can, via resonance, change the wavelength of an incoming wave 
. But then, we have earlier found out that his knowledge of electro theory is sketchy, at best.
And in a beautiful Kumaresque way he manages to build a faulty theory that is useless, even if it were right. Even if this photon platinium could produce the waves he claims, they would just be the same IR waves that the body produces all the time by being 37degC
.
Hans
. But then, we have earlier found out that his knowledge of electro theory is sketchy, at best.And in a beautiful Kumaresque way he manages to build a faulty theory that is useless, even if it were right. Even if this photon platinium could produce the waves he claims, they would just be the same IR waves that the body produces all the time by being 37degC
.Hans
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Which scam is it that's gone? Not "Asfailure," by any chance?MRC_Hans said:
It seems to have its own web presence: http://www.asphalia.co.uk/ albeit without all of the purple prose that was there when cogreslab.co.uk linked to it. If you follow the link to "Shopping Cart," it takes you straight back to galonja.co.uk, the site of Coghill's online shop, and which seems to share a phone number and postcode with cogreslab.
Mojo
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And I love the "Pet Coaster"
"Magnetic water is more natural"????
I just bet he has double-blind studies supporting this one.
"Magnetic water is more natural"????
Rolfe
Adult human female
On this forum he talked about a single trial with his own pet where the level in the "magnetised" bowl went down more quickly....Mojo said:And I love the "Pet Coaster"I just bet he has double-blind studies supporting this one.
"Magnetic water is more natural"????
Rolfe.
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Re: Re: Roger Coghill still rides.
About the pet coaster, in that same thread, he explained his test: His old airdale definitely preferred to magnetic water whenever he watched.
Hans
No, I'm thinking of that silly double spiral pendant with imploded water in it that was supposed to protect you from EM waves. I forget its name, but he had conducted a test on it and we plucked his protocol to little bits in the Bioelectromagnetics thread .Mojo said:
About the pet coaster, in that same thread, he explained his test: His old airdale definitely preferred to magnetic water whenever he watched.
Hans
Mojo
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Maybe magnetised water is more volatile.Rolfe said:
Mojo
Mostly harmless
A while ago on Coghill's website, there was a reference to something that had been "Removed by request of MHRA." I thought at the time that this was the link to "asphalia."
If this is the case, isn't it a bit cheeky of him to be still selling it?
If this is the case, isn't it a bit cheeky of him to be still selling it?
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OK, let's take a peek at some of Roger's claims:
Enter Photon Platinum , I hope my quoting from the article is not more extensive than permitted:
A biologist explains how the remarkable properties of Photon Platinum can change the way we live, improve our health and well being, give us youthful looks, and help protect us from infection.
In big coloured letters. Did anybody's quack alarm ring?
Introduction
My name is Roger Coghill, *snip*
Roger boasts his many, but old degrees.
The first time someone told me about a startling new material based on bioelectromagnetics which could at one stroke help my complexion look younger, diminish cellulite, boost my immune system, keep me warmer at night than a duck down duvet, and improve my blood circulation, (amongst other things!), frankly I was more than skeptical.
No, you weren't Roger. We know you.
*snip*
Snipped, long poetic rant about the no doubt pretty Welsh nature and how so many famous discoveries were made in a random fashion.
In my case, the first time I tried out Photon Platinum on the daffodils I had carefully gathered, there seemed to be no difference between those whose stems were wrapped in Photon
Platinum and those wrapped in ordinary cotton wool. Only then did I realise that in my efforts to be careful I had used distilled water in the flower vases. This meant in turn that there were no nutrients for the flower stems to absorb, so naturally both samples withered at the same rate.
When I corrected this however, by adding a proprietary fertiliser to all the flower vases, and repeating the study, the effect was amazing: the Photon- treated daffodils were still alive and glowing with life long after the untreated sample had turned a dusty brown colour and decayed. It did not take me long to realise that florists all over the world would be interested in the commercial possibilities of this effect!
Psssst! Roger, then how come they ain't using it?
*snip*
Photon Platinum uses exactly the same physical principles as radio transmission to produce its effects.
Watch as Roger heads for deep water.(pass the popcorn)
In a radio broadcast what happens is that a metal rod known as an antenna or aerial is energised so that electrical energy in the form of electrons runs up and down it at a specific frequency. If that frequency happens to be more than about 30 kiloHertz (30,000 times each second) then some of the electrons will be returning when others are ascending the rod.
Total nonsense. There is no particular boundary at 30 kHz, and actually Roger contradicts this himself later.
This results in electrons becoming unable to keep pace and they form closed loops of flux outside the aerial. These flux loops are propelled or propagated into space at the speed of light away from the aerial and vary depending on the variations in amplitude (or frequency) of the current being applied to the rod.
Roger has used this explanation for radio waves earlier. If we are to be extremely kind, it is a very strained explanation. But frankly, it is simply rubbish.
Platinum is a metal more conductive than most, so it is often used in electrical circuits when conductivity is important.
Wrong. Platinum's resistivity at 0.0966 ohm/m/mm2 is only marginally better than that of lead and much poorer than copper at 0.0016. Platinum is not used in electrical circuits except where others of its properties are needed.
In Photon Platinum the rods or "aerials" however are extremely small and thin, (only some 4-14 millions of a metre long). A millionth of a metre is called in science a micron, so the Platinum rods embedded in the polymeric fibres of the material are 4-14 microns in length.
Of course in a normal radio transmitter energy in the form of electricity has to be applied to the aerial to make it transmit or radiate some of that energy. But electrons are caused
to move or vibrate in many other ways. One way is simply to heat the material,
Not really. There is such a thing as thermal noise, but believe me, that is not what Roger is looking for.
and another way is to shine a light on its surface, since light is itself an electromagnetic energy with its own frequency.
It is, but it does not make electrons flow in just any material.
Since all human beings are essentially warm-blooded creatures, even the skin surface of a human being can heat other things, as anyone holding someone else’s warm hand will know!
How poetic.
So putting Photon Platinum material in front of a light, even sunlight, or simply wearing it will cause some of the electrons in the rods to start moving up and down the rods. Because the rods are made of Platinum the electrons find this an easier road to travel than through the plastic polymer, and in consequence they concentrate in the rods.
Uhh, yes, platinum does conduct much better than polymer.
The length of the rods determines the frequency at which they oscillate: obviously the longer the rods the lower the frequency.
BZZZZT! Wrong! They do not oscillate. Oscillation requires amplification. They might resonate if the incoming frequency is the right one.
In a secret process, by choosing the rod-length hence the frequency carefully the producers of Photon Platinum have so arranged things that the rods radiate at frequencies giving rise
to wavelengths half the diameter of most organic cells.
BZZZZT! Wrong! You cannot generate a new frequency by resonance. If that was possible, all radio communication would be impossible. The tuned circuits in a radio receiver work exactly because ONLY the right frequencies can make them resonate, thus enabling the receiver to pick out the right signal from the cacophony of the ether.
This sounds a bit complicated, so let me explain it better.
I have a suggestion, Roger: Better not; you are already in way over your head.
All electromagnetic waves are related to specific frequencies by the fixed formula f = c/l, where f stands for the frequency, l ("lamda") is the wavelength, and c means the speed of light (from the Latin word celeritas, meaning speed). This means that if you know the frequency of an alternating electromagnetic wave, then you can calculate the wavelength.
Almost primary-school physics here. But we see how far out of bonds Roger is by his writing "alternating electromagnetic wave". Roger, ALL waves are alternating, otherwise they wouldn't be, uhhh, waves.
Let’s do an example with a surprising answer. The mains electricity (alternating current) frequency in British homes is 50 cycles per second (50Hz.), so how long is its wavelength?
Taking our formula f = c/l, and the speed of light as 3 x 108 metres per second, then
50 = 3 x 108/l
so l = 3 x 108/50, which is 6,000,000
so the wavelength of ordinary 50Hz. British mains electricity is 6,000,000 metres or
6,000km.!
What happened to the 30kHz above, heheh? Well, Roger is right about the wavelength of power-line AC. And, this ought to tell him why it cannot interact much with the human body, but no.
The same calculation applied to a wavelength of say 4-14 microns (that given off by Photon Platinum is in the far infra red region. Most people associate infra red with the signal used to control your \TV monitor and infra red generally is associated with the sensation of heat (hairdressers use infra red hair drying lamps, for example).
The reason Photon Platinum actually does give off radiation in the 4-14 micron range is that this is the IR radiation given off by ANY object at around room temperature.
There is a good and now obvious reason for this: it is because our body’s cells have diameters of around 10-20 microns. So waves of this length will vibrate them, in the same way as an opera singer can vibrate a distant glass with a specific note, an effect known as resonance. In this case the glass might be said to be "tuned" to the note or vice versa.
Oh? What happened to the frequency changing resonance phenomenon? Well, we won't expect logic. Other than that, Roger is confusing electrical and mechanical resonance and
vibration. He is claiming that an electromagnetic resonance gives rise to a mechanical resonance in the same frequency range, which is utterly, totally ridiculous.
Therein lies the secret of Photon Platinum: its gentle radiations can delicately vibrate the surfaces of body cells by means of resonance. But why should this be good for the cells? To understand why you must try to imagine for a moment that you are a cell.
See? Roger actually claims that IR radiation, which is an electromagnetic radiation makes cells vibrate mechanically at the same frequency! This frequency is about 10^13 Hz.
Delicately vibrate? More like immidiately destroy. Fortunately, nothing of the kind happens.
As an organic cell you no longer have a mouth, nose, eyes, limbs or digestive system. All you have around you is a membrane made of plasma, - in fact it is a double membrane and it
is partly made of fat or "lipid" to keep out water.
Rather interesting description of a cell from somebody who claims to hold a degree in biology.
*snip*
The effect of this chemical pollution is to make it more difficult for cells to take in and eject nutrients and waste products through the lipid bi-layer. By its gentle vibratory action however, Photon Platinum assists cells to carry out these functions and this is
basically how it works.
Gentle vibrations at 10,000,000,000,000 HZ.
As a first practical demonstration when you feel the material it always seems warm to the touch, an indicator that infra red radiation is at work.¨
Well, polymer fabric usually feels warm. However, we see the serious scientist that Roger is at work here: IR radiation can be measured objectively by a thermosensor and it can even be photographed, but Roger the scientist is satisfied with "seems warm to the touch".
One question arising is that the energy (power flux density) of Photon Platinum radiations is obviously dependent on the incoming light or heat, so how could such weak energy
possibly affect cells deep inside the body?
Yes, that IS a difficult question.
The answer is that the effect is dependent on frequency not on energy. Moreover these (and any other) frequencies can be carried almost losslessly through the body’s saline aqueous
solutions, because they are also extremely conductive. This sensitivity might even be a deliberate by-product of evolution.
BZZZZT! Wrong. First of all, a conductive medium STOPS electromagnetic radiation, it does not conduct it. But we happen to know why Roger thinks otherwise: In an earler debate, he referred to an experiment he made where he made open-ended measurements on saline solutions. Now, such a setup is, of course, totally rubbish with respect to measuring conductivity, but when you don't know anything about elecronics....
While we are dealing with the physics of Photon Platinum it is worth digressing to explain how body-water can be so conductive and so sensitive to exogenous influences.
*snip*
The outer shell of simple atoms holds up to eight electrons, but sometimes as in the case of oxygen, there are only six electrons there. This leaves space for two more electrons to make a stable molecule, and because hydrogen atoms have only one electron there is therefore space for two hydrogen atoms to bond to the oxygen. Water is therefore formed. But that isn’t the end of the story, because each of the hydrogen atoms has "lost" its sole
electron, and so its proton will strongly attract any other electron in order to achieve a stable situation. This process is constantly happening in water, so any electronic influence will be transmitted through the entire liquid as the hydrogen atoms constantly find new electron partners.
Wrong again. Pure water is not conductive.
When this picture is further complicated by the presence of ions such as sodium (Na: positively charged) and chlorine (Cl: negatively charged) the conductivity of electronic influences becomes even more sensitive.
Right, here. Add ions, and water becomes conductive.
NaCl is the formula for salt, and our aqueous solutions and blood are salty because they contain these ions in solution. So our aqueous saline solutions are exquisitely sensitive to electric field influences, and the water around cells is liable to be altered or
polluted by any other chemicals in the saline solution. That is where Photon Platinum comes in, to clear these adverse influences away by its vibrations.
Nonsense.
The early research: *snip*
Here Roger refers to some trials, but since he does not provide links to protocols or even mentions where it is published, it is impossible to comment. All we have to go by is Roger's track-record of tricky methods and dubious statistics.
Hans
Enter Photon Platinum , I hope my quoting from the article is not more extensive than permitted:
A biologist explains how the remarkable properties of Photon Platinum can change the way we live, improve our health and well being, give us youthful looks, and help protect us from infection.
In big coloured letters. Did anybody's quack alarm ring?
Introduction
My name is Roger Coghill, *snip*
Roger boasts his many, but old degrees.
The first time someone told me about a startling new material based on bioelectromagnetics which could at one stroke help my complexion look younger, diminish cellulite, boost my immune system, keep me warmer at night than a duck down duvet, and improve my blood circulation, (amongst other things!), frankly I was more than skeptical.
No, you weren't Roger. We know you
.*snip*
Snipped, long poetic rant about the no doubt pretty Welsh nature and how so many famous discoveries were made in a random fashion.
In my case, the first time I tried out Photon Platinum on the daffodils I had carefully gathered, there seemed to be no difference between those whose stems were wrapped in Photon
Platinum and those wrapped in ordinary cotton wool. Only then did I realise that in my efforts to be careful I had used distilled water in the flower vases. This meant in turn that there were no nutrients for the flower stems to absorb, so naturally both samples withered at the same rate.
When I corrected this however, by adding a proprietary fertiliser to all the flower vases, and repeating the study, the effect was amazing: the Photon- treated daffodils were still alive and glowing with life long after the untreated sample had turned a dusty brown colour and decayed. It did not take me long to realise that florists all over the world would be interested in the commercial possibilities of this effect!
Psssst! Roger, then how come they ain't using it?
*snip*
Photon Platinum uses exactly the same physical principles as radio transmission to produce its effects.
Watch as Roger heads for deep water
.(pass the popcorn)In a radio broadcast what happens is that a metal rod known as an antenna or aerial is energised so that electrical energy in the form of electrons runs up and down it at a specific frequency. If that frequency happens to be more than about 30 kiloHertz (30,000 times each second) then some of the electrons will be returning when others are ascending the rod.
Total nonsense. There is no particular boundary at 30 kHz, and actually Roger contradicts this himself later.
This results in electrons becoming unable to keep pace and they form closed loops of flux outside the aerial. These flux loops are propelled or propagated into space at the speed of light away from the aerial and vary depending on the variations in amplitude (or frequency) of the current being applied to the rod.
Roger has used this explanation for radio waves earlier. If we are to be extremely kind, it is a very strained explanation. But frankly, it is simply rubbish.
Platinum is a metal more conductive than most, so it is often used in electrical circuits when conductivity is important.
Wrong. Platinum's resistivity at 0.0966 ohm/m/mm2 is only marginally better than that of lead and much poorer than copper at 0.0016. Platinum is not used in electrical circuits except where others of its properties are needed.
In Photon Platinum the rods or "aerials" however are extremely small and thin, (only some 4-14 millions of a metre long). A millionth of a metre is called in science a micron, so the Platinum rods embedded in the polymeric fibres of the material are 4-14 microns in length.
Of course in a normal radio transmitter energy in the form of electricity has to be applied to the aerial to make it transmit or radiate some of that energy. But electrons are caused
to move or vibrate in many other ways. One way is simply to heat the material,
Not really. There is such a thing as thermal noise, but believe me, that is not what Roger is looking for.
and another way is to shine a light on its surface, since light is itself an electromagnetic energy with its own frequency.
It is, but it does not make electrons flow in just any material.
Since all human beings are essentially warm-blooded creatures, even the skin surface of a human being can heat other things, as anyone holding someone else’s warm hand will know!
How poetic.
So putting Photon Platinum material in front of a light, even sunlight, or simply wearing it will cause some of the electrons in the rods to start moving up and down the rods. Because the rods are made of Platinum the electrons find this an easier road to travel than through the plastic polymer, and in consequence they concentrate in the rods.
Uhh, yes, platinum does conduct much better than polymer.
The length of the rods determines the frequency at which they oscillate: obviously the longer the rods the lower the frequency.
BZZZZT! Wrong! They do not oscillate. Oscillation requires amplification. They might resonate if the incoming frequency is the right one.
In a secret process, by choosing the rod-length hence the frequency carefully the producers of Photon Platinum have so arranged things that the rods radiate at frequencies giving rise
to wavelengths half the diameter of most organic cells.
BZZZZT! Wrong! You cannot generate a new frequency by resonance. If that was possible, all radio communication would be impossible. The tuned circuits in a radio receiver work exactly because ONLY the right frequencies can make them resonate, thus enabling the receiver to pick out the right signal from the cacophony of the ether.
This sounds a bit complicated, so let me explain it better.
I have a suggestion, Roger: Better not; you are already in way over your head.
All electromagnetic waves are related to specific frequencies by the fixed formula f = c/l, where f stands for the frequency, l ("lamda") is the wavelength, and c means the speed of light (from the Latin word celeritas, meaning speed). This means that if you know the frequency of an alternating electromagnetic wave, then you can calculate the wavelength.
Almost primary-school physics here. But we see how far out of bonds Roger is by his writing "alternating electromagnetic wave". Roger, ALL waves are alternating, otherwise they wouldn't be, uhhh, waves.
Let’s do an example with a surprising answer. The mains electricity (alternating current) frequency in British homes is 50 cycles per second (50Hz.), so how long is its wavelength?
Taking our formula f = c/l, and the speed of light as 3 x 108 metres per second, then
50 = 3 x 108/l
so l = 3 x 108/50, which is 6,000,000
so the wavelength of ordinary 50Hz. British mains electricity is 6,000,000 metres or
6,000km.!
What happened to the 30kHz above, heheh? Well, Roger is right about the wavelength of power-line AC. And, this ought to tell him why it cannot interact much with the human body, but no.
The same calculation applied to a wavelength of say 4-14 microns (that given off by Photon Platinum is in the far infra red region. Most people associate infra red with the signal used to control your \TV monitor and infra red generally is associated with the sensation of heat (hairdressers use infra red hair drying lamps, for example).
The reason Photon Platinum actually does give off radiation in the 4-14 micron range is that this is the IR radiation given off by ANY object at around room temperature.
There is a good and now obvious reason for this: it is because our body’s cells have diameters of around 10-20 microns. So waves of this length will vibrate them, in the same way as an opera singer can vibrate a distant glass with a specific note, an effect known as resonance. In this case the glass might be said to be "tuned" to the note or vice versa.
Oh? What happened to the frequency changing resonance phenomenon? Well, we won't expect logic. Other than that, Roger is confusing electrical and mechanical resonance and
vibration. He is claiming that an electromagnetic resonance gives rise to a mechanical resonance in the same frequency range, which is utterly, totally ridiculous.
Therein lies the secret of Photon Platinum: its gentle radiations can delicately vibrate the surfaces of body cells by means of resonance. But why should this be good for the cells? To understand why you must try to imagine for a moment that you are a cell.
See? Roger actually claims that IR radiation, which is an electromagnetic radiation makes cells vibrate mechanically at the same frequency! This frequency is about 10^13 Hz.
Delicately vibrate? More like immidiately destroy. Fortunately, nothing of the kind happens.
As an organic cell you no longer have a mouth, nose, eyes, limbs or digestive system. All you have around you is a membrane made of plasma, - in fact it is a double membrane and it
is partly made of fat or "lipid" to keep out water.
Rather interesting description of a cell from somebody who claims to hold a degree in biology.
*snip*
The effect of this chemical pollution is to make it more difficult for cells to take in and eject nutrients and waste products through the lipid bi-layer. By its gentle vibratory action however, Photon Platinum assists cells to carry out these functions and this is
basically how it works.
Gentle vibrations at 10,000,000,000,000 HZ.
As a first practical demonstration when you feel the material it always seems warm to the touch, an indicator that infra red radiation is at work.¨
Well, polymer fabric usually feels warm. However, we see the serious scientist that Roger is at work here: IR radiation can be measured objectively by a thermosensor and it can even be photographed, but Roger the scientist is satisfied with "seems warm to the touch".
One question arising is that the energy (power flux density) of Photon Platinum radiations is obviously dependent on the incoming light or heat, so how could such weak energy
possibly affect cells deep inside the body?
Yes, that IS a difficult question.
The answer is that the effect is dependent on frequency not on energy. Moreover these (and any other) frequencies can be carried almost losslessly through the body’s saline aqueous
solutions, because they are also extremely conductive. This sensitivity might even be a deliberate by-product of evolution.
BZZZZT! Wrong. First of all, a conductive medium STOPS electromagnetic radiation, it does not conduct it. But we happen to know why Roger thinks otherwise: In an earler debate, he referred to an experiment he made where he made open-ended measurements on saline solutions. Now, such a setup is, of course, totally rubbish with respect to measuring conductivity, but when you don't know anything about elecronics....
While we are dealing with the physics of Photon Platinum it is worth digressing to explain how body-water can be so conductive and so sensitive to exogenous influences.
*snip*
The outer shell of simple atoms holds up to eight electrons, but sometimes as in the case of oxygen, there are only six electrons there. This leaves space for two more electrons to make a stable molecule, and because hydrogen atoms have only one electron there is therefore space for two hydrogen atoms to bond to the oxygen. Water is therefore formed. But that isn’t the end of the story, because each of the hydrogen atoms has "lost" its sole
electron, and so its proton will strongly attract any other electron in order to achieve a stable situation. This process is constantly happening in water, so any electronic influence will be transmitted through the entire liquid as the hydrogen atoms constantly find new electron partners.
Wrong again. Pure water is not conductive.
When this picture is further complicated by the presence of ions such as sodium (Na: positively charged) and chlorine (Cl: negatively charged) the conductivity of electronic influences becomes even more sensitive.
Right, here. Add ions, and water becomes conductive.
NaCl is the formula for salt, and our aqueous solutions and blood are salty because they contain these ions in solution. So our aqueous saline solutions are exquisitely sensitive to electric field influences, and the water around cells is liable to be altered or
polluted by any other chemicals in the saline solution. That is where Photon Platinum comes in, to clear these adverse influences away by its vibrations.
Nonsense.
The early research: *snip*
Here Roger refers to some trials, but since he does not provide links to protocols or even mentions where it is published, it is impossible to comment. All we have to go by is Roger's track-record of tricky methods and dubious statistics.
Hans
Hans - thank you!
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Darat said:
Has Coghill's immoral 'challenge' ever appeared in Randi's commentary?
hehe from his sidebar, and right next to each other.
Magnetotherapy ( effective therapies using magnets )
Electro Pollution (THE HAZARDS OF EXCESSIVE EXPOSURE TO THE INVISIBLE BUT INSIDIOUS ENERGIES OF ELECTRICITY)
Errrm, would that be magnetic fields? What do you think causes magnetism in permanent magnets rodger?
O.
Magnetotherapy ( effective therapies using magnets )
Electro Pollution (THE HAZARDS OF EXCESSIVE EXPOSURE TO THE INVISIBLE BUT INSIDIOUS ENERGIES OF ELECTRICITY)
Errrm, would that be magnetic fields? What do you think causes magnetism in permanent magnets rodger?
O.
"The £2000 ($3000) Coghill Challenge to power utility workers and the NRPB is:
Place any human infant of less than three months age to sleep each night for at least eight hours in an ELF electric field of 100 Volts per metre for thirty days. My studies predict that child will die, or become so seriously ill that the test will have to be called off"
What is the big deal? The guy is only trying to raise the consciousness of something that could be a very big deal. what is wrong with that?
He uses the idea of an infant test to horrify, shock and make people take notice.
it clearly has worked. You people have taken notice, but you ridicule any idea that these high voltages may be harmful.
I am of the opinion that these high voltages may be able to do harm in certain sensitive people and much more study should be done to see how to lessen any possible effects.
(my first thought is.... only a fool would allow their baby to be exposed to something that could cause such serious harm. --and if it could cause such serious harm then why do i live 200ft from one? it makes you think)
Place any human infant of less than three months age to sleep each night for at least eight hours in an ELF electric field of 100 Volts per metre for thirty days. My studies predict that child will die, or become so seriously ill that the test will have to be called off"
What is the big deal? The guy is only trying to raise the consciousness of something that could be a very big deal. what is wrong with that?
He uses the idea of an infant test to horrify, shock and make people take notice.
it clearly has worked. You people have taken notice, but you ridicule any idea that these high voltages may be harmful.
I am of the opinion that these high voltages may be able to do harm in certain sensitive people and much more study should be done to see how to lessen any possible effects.
(my first thought is.... only a fool would allow their baby to be exposed to something that could cause such serious harm. --and if it could cause such serious harm then why do i live 200ft from one? it makes you think)
Mojo
Mostly harmless
Especially if they cause a current to pass through them...Olaf/QII said:
It does seem to be the modus operandi though.MRC_Hans said:
You never see Open Mind or Interesting Ian on a thread about homeopathy. You never see Kumar or Songstress criticising Homeo Man for posting lies and pictures of deformed people to make a feeble point. Beth is a lecturer in statistics, but she appears to have no interest in our conversations about homeopathy or dilutions and probability of molecule presence.
It seems there is an unspoken agreement that if you have any 'unusual' beliefs yourself then you are not allowed to criticise anyone else's strange convictions.
But it gets a bit silly when they feel they actively have to jump to each others defence merely as a kneejerk reaction as Olaf has done above.
http://www.cogreslab.co.uk/bimt.asp
I wonder if the expression 'not worth the paper it's written on' means anything to Roger?
I wonder if the expression 'not worth the paper it's written on' means anything to Roger?
EHocking
Penultimate Amazing
Extremely doubtful, considering his creation of a league of friends hidden behind subscription registering posing as a peer reviewed magazine. EBaBTimble said:
Pure coincidence that the sample "paper" happens to be one of his and another coincidence that the site is owned by him.
As per samspade.org
Domain Name: ebab.eu.com
Registrant: Medcross Ltd
Administrative Contact:
Medcross Ltd (H114119) roger@cogreslab.co.uk