Mysterious finds off Cuba could be lost empire of Atlantis

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Edgar Cayce on Atlantis-
The position as the continent Atlantis occupied, is that as between the Gulf of Mexico on the one hand -- and the Mediterranean upon the other. Evidences of this lost civilization are to be found in the Pyrenees and Morocco on the one hand, British Honduras, Yucatan and America upon the other. There are some protruding portions within this that must have at one time or another been a portion of this great continent. The British West Indies or the Bahamas, and a portion of same that may be seen in the present -- if the geological survey would be made in some of these -- especially, or notably, in Bimini and in the Gulf Stream through this vicinity, these may be even yet determined.
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Article on it
http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i021017/i021017.html

more recent update
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1374107/posts
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=31&art_id=qw1097554324900B252

and most recent-
http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=4801
National Geographic Magazine will sponsor another underwater exploration of the sunken city off the Coast of Cuba this fall. Russian-Canadian oceanographer Pauline Zelitsky will head the expedition. Political differences prevent the US from participating, and much of the work has been done by France and Russia. So far, the exploration has been done by remote-controlled mini submarines, armed with video cameras. Their provocative images have shown what look like stepped pyramids, extending as far as South America (where these types of pyramids were built by the Mayans).
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/992589/posts
http://www.cuba.cu/ciencia/citma/ama/museo/exmar5i.htm
http://www.cuba.cu/ciencia/citma/ama/museo/exmar6i.htm
http://www.morien-institute.org/adclarge6.html#15

http://www.s8int.com/water1.html
http://www.ambergriscaye.com/pages/town/greatbluehole.html
http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/2003/4/28/1582.html
http://www.s8int.com/atomic1.html
http://www.s8int.com/atomic2.html
http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue18/18bermuda.html

Even National Geographic admits that there are prehistoric civilization submerged under the sea that could shed some light on possibly many flood legends, one of which could be atlantis
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/05/0528_020528_sunkencities.html

Article about Plato's description. Plato was the father of western philosophy
http://www.cycleoftime.com/articles_view.php?codArtigo=68

Kabbalistic and Magic Alphabets
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"Its figures are supposedly derived from the constellations. Advanced students of occult philosophy will come upon many valuable documents in which these figures are used. Under each letter of the first alphabet above is its equivalent in English. Above each letter of the other three alphabets is its Hebrew letter equivalent."

Tarot and hebrew Alphabet are both 22 parts + the name of god YHVH. Greek and even English could be more distantly related, english alphabet is 26 parts
http://www.crystalinks.com/tarot.html

The Fool card, appears on a journey to Shargung La-
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Massive underwater Megaliths
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Internal Cross
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Squared off large block of granite-like stone amid megalithic structures
a half mile deep covering an estimated 10 square kilometers.
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Pyramid shape seems "carved out of" massive rectangular stone
that can be seen behind the pyramid glowing in the glare of the ROV's light
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Rounded, megalithic granite-like rock with unidentified line detail.
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Belize . Massively drilled botomless holes. To exctract molten power from deep iside the earth, which created unstable land and Atlantis eventually sank from unnatural volcanoes, drilled holes, and widespread severe environmental destruction and pollution which made the earth more unstable
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I remember seeing on a show something about the layout of the places where the pyramids were built on different continents, Egypt and mexico ,being 1 100th of the earths suface, perhaps using earth meridians, no one knew for sure how they measured it
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http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_2.htm

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Great-Pyramid-of-Giza
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Moscow-and-Rhind-Mathematical-Papyri

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Originally the Pyramids had a nice shiny outer coating, and capstones at the top.


Even today, possibly 10s of thousands of years later, they dwarf modern Cairo buildings. The bottom layout area is larger than many many football fields. Each layer is perfectly level.
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CHinese and Tibetan Pyramid. Kunlun mountains area, between China and Tibet
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Redating the sphinx-
http://members.aol.com/davidpb4/sphinx1.html
http://www.lyghtforce.com/Giza/


Also, it is associated with Egypt in some cases. The knowledge of the history about it is said to come from Egypt, who kept records of Atlantis' existence. The ancient Greeks thought Giza to be a wonder of the ancient world,

http://www.lyghtforce.com/Giza/
http://www.keysofenoch.org/html/giza_update.html
"2. Tunnels & Chambers Under The Great Sphinx

(I) In a series of expeditions between 1991 and 1993 led by John Anthony West, and independent Egyptologist, scientific investigators conducted geological and seismic surveys around the Great Sphinx of Egypt. The chief geologist was Dr. Robert Schoch, Professor of Geology at Boston University, and the chief seismologist was Thomas Dobecki from the highly-respected Houston consulting firm, McBride-Ratclif & Associates.

(II) The team's conclusions were as follows:

A. Geology, The pattern of erosion on the Sphinx indicates that it was carved at the end of the last Ice Age, when heavy rains fell in the eastern Sahara - perhaps more than 12,000 years ago. This contrasts starkly with the 'orthodox' Egyptological dating for the Sphinx of around 4,500 years ago.

B. Seismography. The seismic survey indicated the existence of several unexplored tunnels and cavities in the bedrock beneath the Sphinx, including a large rectangular chamber at a depth of some 25 feet beneath the monuments front paws."
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And
" The idea of there being a secret chamber buried somewhere beneath the Sphinx was first popularized by renowned psychic Edgar Cayce in 1932. Cayce believed that this secret chamber contained an ancient Hall of Records, which contained, among other things, manuscripts detailing the history of mankind much further back than we are currently aware - possibly even back to the world before the Flood. He also predicted that the Hall would be discovered sometime around the year 2000.

In recent years, this prophecy may have come true. Scientists using an array of techniques, searching on and around the Sphinx, have discovered one or more large, box-shaped, hollow areas just below the Sphinx. One of these enclosures is located beneath of the paws of the Sphinx, just where Cayce had predicted the Hall of Records would be found. Bauval explains,

The Giza necropolis, it seems, has finally decided to discharge all its secrets at once. For not far from the Great Pyramid, in a shallow enclave to the East, is the Great Sphinx. It, too, may be guarding a treasure-trove under its belly: a "Hall of Records" of a civilization long lost in the mist of time. There, too, with amazing synchronicity, an entrance to such a vault has been known since 1993. Why have these "chambers" not yet been opened? What could be within them? Could the Egyptian authorities know more than they are letting on?"
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http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Journal/1999/Autumn/Sphinx04/
http://www.michaelmandeville.com/phoenix/hallofrecords/hallrecordsfront.htm


From the Egyptologists themselves
http://www.towers-online.co.uk/pages/sphinx.htm
Florida State University, on behalf of the Schor Expedition, carried out a remote sensing survey around the Sphinx and elsewhere on the plateau for three weeks in April 1996. They claimed to have found "rooms and tunnels" in front of the Sphinx and running from the rear of the Sphinx. Several other projects have made similar claims:

SRI International did an electrical resistivity and acoustical survey in 1977-78.

In 1987 a Japanese team from Waseda University (Tokyo), under the direction of Sakuji Yoshimura carried out an electromagnetic sounding survey of the Khufu Pyramid and Sphinx. They reported evidence of a tunnel oriented north-south under the Sphinx, a water pocket 2.5 to 3 m below surface near the south hind paw, and another cavity near the north hind paw.

In 1991 a team consisting of geologist Robert Schoch (Boston University), Thomas Dobecki, and John Anthony West carried out a survey of the Sphinx using seismic refraction, refraction tomography, and seismic reflection. The investigators interpreted their data to indicate shallower subsurface weathering patterns toward the back and deeper weathering toward the front, which they take to indicate that the back of the Sphinx and its ditch were carved by Khafre later than the front. They interpret their data to likewise indicate subsurface cavities in front of the front left paw, and from the left paw back along the south flank.


The techniques such projects use do not directly reveal chambers and passages. They only show "anomalies," that must be interpreted as chambers and passages. Faults and other natural features can also produce anomalies. We cannot give permission to dig into the natural rock of the Sphinx, or to drill into the Sphinx on the basis of anomalies, especially now that our highest priority is to conserve the Sphinx. Remote sensing programs should anyway be carried out elsewhere to test the techniques, and to demonstrate that it works before it is used to make sensational claims of secret rooms in the Sphinx.

Meanwhile, we struggle in our department to save the Sphinx and many other sites and monuments for future generations. We work hard to organize the site for tourism, so all can enjoy our monuments, and we try to balance tourism with conservation. If we found evidence of a civilization older than that of the dynastic Egyptians, we would not, and could not, keep it from the public. Nor do we try to stop reasonable research. The list of remote sensing surveys at the Sphinx proves that we have not prevented this kind of research - and the list is even longer for those who have probed the pyramids. But now other priorities are far more urgent, and we cannot allow digging and drilling into the Sphinx on the off-chance that somehow we have missed the only evidence of a lost civilization!"
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it appears something fishy is going on at Giza


from-
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/HO-OSIRIS.html
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/Kham.html

"The previous photographs of this area, showed the sarcophagus to be surrounded by solid dirt. Non of the water is evident in Dr.. Borris Said's photographs from 1997.
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1999 as seen on live tv, all this water magically appeared there, and they claim ithey found it like that. But the previous site I linked shows there was no pillars or water there in 1997
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Article on the Pyramids
http://www.sacredsites.com/africa/egypt/great_pyramid.html
 
How many Atlantis threads do we need? 8 threads started by Kilik alone on the subject...Out of curiosity, because most of this stuff looks very familiar to me, why do you need so many different threads to discuss the same thing with what seems to be the same data?
 
I think the picture of a woman chilling in front of a computer is excellent evidence for the existance of Atlantis.
 
I don't know, they build off of each other. This one I thought was the best updated newest version of this thread
 
So why did you start another thread about the same topic 12 minutes before starting this one? I just don't see the need for all the spam.

ETA: My mistake. Your other thread is about a different submerged area. My apologies.
 
m0nngis said:
I think the picture of a woman chilling in front of a computer is excellent evidence for the existance of Atlantis.
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Yeah, from what I speculate they [The Atlanteans] had both women *and* computers. A match made in heaven. Can you say 'Utopia'?
 
I didn't know they had dense apartment complexes in Ancient Egypt, let alone color photography:

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ETA: There, I'm done. That's my spam contribution for the evening.
 
Wow, continents getting lost all over the place these ancient civilizations were awfully careless with their property
 
Kilik,

I have analysed the photo below


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Although not clear, the large white area is in fact a Polaroid. I have managed to run it through a few packages to make the image clearer. The results are below and I think prove that it is indeed Atlantis that has been found.

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Highly possible that it is remnants of Atlantis
http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=4801
Zelitsky's theory is that a peninsula once stretched from the Yucatan to Cuba, which collapsed due to seismic activity. This reinforces the theory that early man did not arrive in the Americas by crossing the Bering Straits (a land bridge from Russia which no longer exists) but instead arrived from Asia via the Pacific Ocean. British archeologists have found human footprints in Puebla, Mexico that are 40,000 years old. On her early expeditions, Zelitsky discovered an underwater city with not only pyramids, but geometrically precise passages, tunnels and temples, many carved with ancient symbols. Since natural structures can be pyramid-shaped and have straight lines as well, these carvings are especially important. There is still controversy about whether the underwater pyramid off the coast of an island in Japan was manmade or is a natural formation.
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40,000 year old inhabitants in the americas?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0923/p13s01-stgn.html
footprints
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/5-7-30/30730.html
 
Plato had very in depth teachings and founded many things. We'll never know what exactly everything he taught to his students was.

Socrates many times said it was not a fiction but a truth. Atlantis was often referred to as "within the realm of fact"

It correlates with the ice age

It correlates with over 500 flood myths world wide.

It would actually be surprising if there wasn't a connection between the massive flooding at the end of the ice age, and the world's history, tradition, and flood myths
 
No.
That's all BS.

Again, the blue holes are NATURAL features. They are sinkholes, parts of collapsed NATURAL caves. What "molten power" will you extract from limestone, Killik?

Its all BS.
 
Kilik said:
Plato had very in depth teachings and founded many things. We'll never know what exactly everything he taught to his students was.
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Which brings me to a little known fact about Plato. Do you know why he was called "Plato"? I will tell you (and this is amply referenced in ancient texts). It seems that he had the habit of putting a plate under his toga so that he would not be buggered by his students when he was propounding his philosophy. A true historical fact, amply documented.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinkhole
Sinkholes also form from human activity, such as the rare but still occasional collapse of abandoned mines in places like West Virginia. More commonly, sinkholes occur in urban areas due to water main breaks or sewer collapses when old pipes give way. They can also occur from the overpumping and extraction of ground water and subsurface fluids."
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So it was still for mining rare materials and substances
 
Some may have tried to claim Plato was gay, however I think that to be highly unlikely. It wouldn't make sense that he would have so much traditional knowledge then
 
Kilik said:
Some may have tried to claim Plato was gay, however I think that to be highly unlikely. It wouldn't make sense that he would have so much traditional knowledge then
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You miss the point. The texts say he inserted the plate to avoid gay contact. I like to think of him as being "focused". He probably said that there is a time for real deep philosophizing and there is a time for well oiled students. What do you think? Do you agree with Plato? If not, why not?

Personally (and let me know your thoughts) I feel that if I were transmitting wisdom to the ages the last thing on my mind would be buggery. Then again, a little wine, the hot Greek sun.....boring philosophy.....maybe that is what makes "Plato" great... the plate.

Thoughts?
 
Déja vu:
Ashles on 30th August 2005 said:
Kilik: Here is a pile of links. Isn't Edgar Cayce amazing?
Everyone: Those links are nonsense rubbish because [XXX]
Kilik: Well that doesn't matter because here is a load of different links
Everyone: But those are also rubbish because [XXX]
Kilik: Here is a new really long list of links
Everyone: Why don't you actually discuss any of these things yourself?
Kilik: Don't ask questions. Here are many more links
Everyone: This is also all rubbish - but we are losing the incentive to explain why
Kilik: Here are more links. They may not all be correct and may disagree with other links I have posted but that doesn't matter because pretending there were advanced civilisations hundreds of thousands of years ago is exciting for me.
Everyone: You don't even understand any of this do you?
Kilik: Don't ask questions. Here. More links. Isn't there anything there that might be real? Surely somewhere?
Everyone: No
Kilik: But I researched them. I typed 'Pyramids' into Google and linked to everything it came up with.So it must all be true. Look there's a rock that looks like a step.
Everyone: You don't even care that all this has been debunked over and over do you?
Kilik: Look, more links. Some of them are the same as I have previously posted but that doesn't matter.
Everyone: Can't you even try to make one single point and attempt to defend it?
Kilik: Shut up! More links! Look! Accept! Don't question!
Everyone: This is all stupid and doesn't stand up to even light investigation
Kilik: Ah but it does. You don't understand because of your 'programming'
Everyone: Dude, if anyone around here needs rebooting and a serious defrag, it's you.
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Kilik said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinkhole


So it was still for mining rare materials and substances
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But the collapsed caves that created the blue holes are natural.
And there's no evidence of mining inside them.

And the sinkholes created by extraction of water in cities are formed by collapse of natural caves that were filled with water. And there's no way you could sink not even a small island in this way.

And you just admitted that the "molten power" extraction was bogus.

Now admit the whole blue hole claim is bogus.
And now use the opportunity to admit that the Atlantis and Mu claims are also bogus.
 
The Blue Hole was created by atlanteans to drill for molten power. They would have made tons of them, that's just one that is known of and visible still today

they would have had many underground systems and tunnels then
 
I can see that any attempt to have a serious discussion here will revert to collapsed caves.
 
Kilik said:
The Blue Hole was created by atlanteans to drill for molten power. They would have made tons of them, that's just one that is known of and visible still today
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I have a question on the table.
 
Plato was making a point in many of his lessons that societies morals had fallen. Indeed ancient greece did dissappear
 
Kilik said:
Plato was making a point in many of his lessons that societies morals had fallen. Indeed ancient greece did dissappear
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I was more interested in Plato: the Man. So, do you think that his name then is a statement against moral decay more than just an affectionate (and annoyed:)) nick-name? I never thought of it that way. What do you think?
 
Kilik said:
The Blue Hole was created by atlanteans to drill for molten power. They would have made tons of them, that's just one that is known of and visible still today

they would have had many underground systems and tunnels then
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No, Killik. The blue holes are collapsed natural caves. They were formed over limestones, that are sedimentary rocks. Limestones host no "molten power sources". With luck they may host oil, and oil extraction causes no masiv collapses, as you can see by yourself looking at any oil field. And "molten power" has as much real meaning as dillithium or mithril have as real material.

There's no evidence the blue holes are artificial. There's plenty of evidence that they are natural. People actually dive in to them, and there are regular diving tours to them.
 
Kilik said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinkhole


So it was still for mining rare materials and substances
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Wait...So, since some sinkholes are created by mining, you've decided, based on no evidence whatsoever, that these sinkholes were also created by mining? Never mind that they've been mapped and studied for decades, and there's really no doubt as to their natural origin.

Wow...I guess that's some new type of science that we just weren't aware of. :rolleyes:
 
Kilik said:
The Blue Hole was created by atlanteans to drill for molten power. They would have made tons of them, that's just one that is known of and visible still today

they would have had many underground systems and tunnels then
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And your evidence for this claim is what, exactly? Your say-so? Some link from an Atlantean website?
 
Modern science somtimes is wrong. In this case ancient legends and traditions is the only way to go. That is what ancient traditions as well as modern information when taken as a whole indicates, that maybe we don't even know if the computer in front of us isn't really an illusion and not really there, or if you even really exist, but the blue hole is man made.
 
Kilik said:
Modern science somtimes is wrong.
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Yes, and sometimes birds fly into windows. Science is a discovery process, not a dogma.

In this case ancient legends and traditions is the only way to go.
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Ancient legends and traditions are only as good as the actual evidence for them.

That is what ancient traditions as well as modern information when taken as a whole indicates, that maybe we don't even know if the computer in front of us isn't really an illusion and not really there, or if you even really exist, but the blue hole is man made.
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This does not even come tangentially close to possibly making sense. It's also not even closely related to the topic at hand.
 
Kilik said:
Plato was making a point in many of his lessons that societies morals had fallen. Indeed ancient greece did dissappear
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No, it didn't. You can still travel to the land where the culture existed, and see lots of artifacts ranging from small household implements up to large marble buildings.

The various Greek city-states were eventually conquered by and absorbed into the Roman Empire; and after the fall of Rome, evolved into the Byzantine empire.
 
Kilik said:
Some may have tried to claim Plato was gay, however I think that to be highly unlikely. It wouldn't make sense that he would have so much traditional knowledge then
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Why can't gay men have "traditional knowledge"?

Haven't you ever seen Morris dancing? You can't tell me that's manly. Those beards aren't fooling anyone. Not to mention faggots who sing sea-shanties, effeminate dry-stone-wallers (or dry Stonewallers), mincing blacksmiths hammering out horseshoes in a languid, limp-wristed sort of way, duckies who make corn-dollies, and well-dressers who take it up the jacksie.

There's nowt so folk as queers.
 
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