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What if the law were enforced differently for different religions?

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It looks like Aussies could find out:

Police told to respect traditions
Liam Houlihan, religious affairs reporter
25oct05

POLICE are being advised to treat Muslim domestic violence cases differently out of respect for Islamic traditions and habits.

Officers are also being urged to work with Muslim leaders, who will try to keep the families together.

Women's groups are concerned the politically correct policing could give comfort to wife bashers and keep their victims in a cycle of violence.

The instructions come in a religious diversity handbook given to Victorian police officers that also recommends special treatment for suspects of Aboriginal, Hindu and Buddhist background.

Hey! There are fundamentalist Christians who like to beat their women too, what about them!

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/printpage/0,5481,17026063,00.html
 
It looks like Aussies could find out:



Hey! There are fundamentalist Christians who like to beat their women too, what about them!

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/printpage/0,5481,17026063,00.html

from the link.

"The implication is one needs to be more tolerant of violence against Muslim women but they should be entitled to the same protection," Ms El Matrah said."

Is this an implication you are planning to work on?

I know of no evidence that there is more tolerance of violence against muslim women in australia or that any publications issued to australian police advocate that. maybe you could find some...?
 
Hrm. When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it might be about the different standards and discrimination non-Jews face in Israel.

My mistake.
 
Hrm. When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it might be about the different standards and discrimination non-Jews face in Israel.

My mistake.
You mean different standards and discrimination like this?

Jamil Muhammed Qa'adan, 48, from Baka al-Garbiyeh, was laid to rest in the town where he lived. Jamil was an inspector for the Haifa district of the Education Ministry. In the afternoon, Jamil told his wife, Fatima, a teacher in Baka al-Garbiyeh, that he was going to do some shopping in Gan Shmuel before stopping at his bank in Hadera. When the iftir meal that breaks the Ramadan fast came and Jamil had not returned, the family began to fear the worst. The fears were confirmed when two family members went to the Hillel Yaffeh Medical Center in Hadera and were given the bad news.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/638507.html
Jamil Muhammed Qa'adan was a victim of Wednesday's Palestinian suicide bombing in the market of the coastal city of Hadera.

A Christian Arab university student was buried on Sunday after Palestinian terrorists, who assumed he was Jewish, shot and killed him while he was jogging in a Jerusalem neighborhood. George Khouri, 20, was shot twice in the head, once in the neck and once in the stomach on Friday night. Fatah's Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade apologized for the killing on Saturday after it became apparent that they killed an Arab, not a Jew.

http://www.icej.org/cgi-local/view.cgi?type=headline&artid=2004/03/22/586720663
Khouri’s father, Elias Khouri, a prominent lawyer who has defended many Palestinian causes, rejected the Islamic insinuation of martyrdom conferred upon his son.

The survivors could only guess at why Hanadi Jaradat chose Maxim's restaurant to create carnage but many concluded the attack was deliberately aimed at a rare oasis of coexistence between Arabs and Jews. Four of the 19 people murdered by the female Palestinian suicide bomber in Haifa on Saturday were Arabs. They died inside the restaurant owned jointly by the same Jewish and Arab families for 40 years; and they all lived in a city more at ease with a mixed population than most in Israel.

Maxim's was founded by two families - one Jewish, the Tayyars; the other Christian Arab, the Matars - at the southern entrance to the port city. It has been in the hands of the same families ever since. "For 40 years we have been one large family, Arabs and Jews," said Orli Nir, the daughter of the restaurant's Jewish founders.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1056820,00.html
One of the restaurant's Arab owners, George Matar, was talking to his wife Ilham on the phone when the bomb went off.


Damn those discriminating Israelis!
 
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More like this:

(From http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0198/9801088.html)

Israeli Discrimination Against Non-Jews Is Carefully Codified in State of Israel's Laws


By Dr. Israel Shahak

The legal system of the State of Israel can be described as a weird mixture of advanced democracy and retrogressive discrimination, combined with clumsy attempts to hide the discriminatory reality. For example, in all Israeli laws except one, the Law of Return, the word "Jew" does not appear. The term employed when the law gives discriminatory privileges to Jews is that those privileges are granted to "persons who would have benefited from the Law of Return had they been outside the borders of Israel." The Law of Return specifies that its benefits can be given only to Jews. However, Israeli propagandists calculate, correctly in my view, that a great majority of the opponents of discrimination would not dare to criticize this law.

From http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/israel2/

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From http://www.answers.com/topic/israeli-arab

Discrimination Against Israeli Arabs

According to the 2004 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the occupied territories, the Israeli government "did little to reduce institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country's Arab citizens."[1] (http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41723.htm)
Examples of discrimination against Israeli Arabs cited in the State Department report include the following:
  • "According to a 2003 Haifa University study, a tendency existed to impose heavier prison terms to Arab citizens than to Jewish citizens. Human rights advocates claimed that Arab citizens were more likely to be convicted of murder and to have been denied bail."
  • "Government spending on children was proportionally lower in predominantly Arab areas than in Jewish areas. ... According to the Government's February 2002 report to the U.N., government investment per Arab pupil was approximately 60 percent of investment per Jewish pupil. ... According to Human Rights Watch, during the year, the Government provided 1 teacher for every 16 Jewish primary school children compared to 1 teacher for every 19.7 Arab children. "
  • "The Orr Commission of Inquiry's report ... stated that the 'Government handling of the Arab sector has been primarily neglectful and discriminatory,' that the Government 'did not show sufficient sensitivity to the needs of the Arab population, and did not take enough action to allocate state resources in an equal manner.' As a result, 'serious distress prevailed in the Arab sector in various areas. Evidence of distress included poverty, unemployment, a shortage of land, serious problems in the education system, and substantially defective infrastructure.'"
  • "In November, the Israeli-Arab advocacy NGO Sikkuy's annual report stated that 45 percent of Arab families were poor, in contrast to 15 percent of Jewish families, and that the rate of infant mortality in the Arab sector was 8 out of 1,000 births--twice that of the Jewish population."
  • "According to a report by Mossawa, racist violence against Arab citizens has increased, and the Government has not done enough to prevent this problem. The annual report cited 17 acts of violence by Jewish citizens against Arab citizens. ... A Haifa University poll released in June revealed that over 63 percent of Jews believed that the Government should encourage Israeli Arabs to emigrate."
<ul> "Approximately 93 percent of land in the country was public domain, including that owned by the state and some 12.5 percent owned by the Jewish National Fund (JNF). All public land by law may only be leased, not sold. The JNF's statutes prohibit the sale or lease of land to non-Jews. In October, civil rights groups petitioned the High Court of Justice claiming that a bid announcement by the Israel Land Administration (ILA)%2
 
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There was a case, I think here in SoCal, where a guy tried to claim that his beating his wife was allowed by the First Amendment. He was some right-wing Catholic. It didn't fly with the judge.

The article didn't mention what the special treatment for Buddhists is. I want to know, just in case I ever go to Australia. I need to know what I can get away with.

Come to think of it, I demand as probably the world's only Apathetic Agnostic Buddhist Tacoist Pastafarian, all kinds of special treatment. I need more days off from work to...eat tacos. Yeah, that's it.
 
The thread title is about treating people differently under the law based on religion, after all.
Of course you'll point the finger at Israel. That is what you excel at Cleon. This thread is about Australia and muslims... but BAM!.... you tossed in the "mean ol'Israel" reference within two posts. Congradualtions! A new JREF derail world record. And look you even used BIG LETTERS and such to point your finger at Israel in a thread about Australia and muslims.

Meanwhile as you focus everyones' attention on mean old Israel - the boogey man - the fact that Arabs face far harsher discrimination in their own countries than they do in Israel shall be omitted. Arab women face harsher discrimination in Saudia Arabia than all Arabs do in Israel...but nevermind that piece of trivia. Nor will you offer any sort of balanced report showing that jews have no rights whatsoever in many Arab countries.

But don't mind me, I am just passing through to expose your hypocrisy.

Have a nice day.
 
Of course you'll point the finger at Israel. That is what you excel at Cleon. This thread is about Australia and muslims... but BAM!.... you tossed in the "mean ol'Israel" reference within two posts. Congradualtions! A new JREF derail world record. And look you even used BIG LETTERS and such to point your finger at Israel in a thread about Australia and muslims.
Whine, whine, whine. Note that I said:

Hrm. When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it might be about the different standards and discrimination non-Jews face in Israel.

My mistake.
The fact that you couldn't leave it at "my mistake" is your problem, not mine.
 
There was a case, I think here in SoCal, where a guy tried to claim that his beating his wife was allowed by the First Amendment. He was some right-wing Catholic. It didn't fly with the judge.
There was a case a couple of years back in which a number of Christian schools attempted to use the Bible to get around a ban on corporal punishment. That didn't fly either.
 
The fact that you couldn't leave it at "my mistake" is your problem, not mine.
Your backpedalling is pitiful. Deliberately posting a reference to Israel in a thread about Ausralia and muslims is not a "mistake". Unless you are now going to convince us all that logging in, typing said post, referencing Israel and selecting the submit reply button was all just a "mistake".

:boxedin:
 
Your backpedalling is pitiful. Deliberately posting a reference to Israel in a thread about Ausralia and muslims is not a "mistake". Unless you are now going to convince us all that logging in, typing said post, referencing Israel and selecting the submit reply button was all just a "mistake".
Like I said, it's not my fault you couldn't leave it be.

:v:
 
Riiiight. You want to put in a plug for your terrorist buddies without contradiction. Ain't gonna happen, Osama.
 
"What if the law were enforced differently for different religions?"

What do you mean, 'if'?
 
Cleon, ZN, if you guys want to discuss Israel, there is a button that allows you to start a new thread.

ZN, I know Cleon started it, but that doesn't mean you need to perpetuate it. You can still bash him in a new thread.
 
"What if the law were enforced differently for different religions?"

Don't they actually do that in the northern provinces of Nigeria? If I'm remembering this right, Muslims there get Sharia law, Christians and animists and others don't.
 
"What if the law were enforced differently for different religions?"

Don't they actually do that in the northern provinces of Nigeria? If I'm remembering this right, Muslims there get Sharia law, Christians and animists and others don't.
There have been moves afoot to introduce this sort of thing in Ontario, but it seems to have been knocked on the head: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4236762.stm
 
Whine, whine, whine. Note that I said:

The fact that you couldn't leave it at "my mistake" is your problem, not mine.

Right- you just dropped in and said "don't think of a pink elephant, and don't write anything in this thread about pink elephants". Because we know that if you tell someone not to think about a pink elephant they would never think about a pink elephant.
 
from the link.

"The implication is one needs to be more tolerant of violence against Muslim women but they should be entitled to the same protection," Ms El Matrah said."

Is this an implication you are planning to work on?

I know of no evidence that there is more tolerance of violence against muslim women in australia or that any publications issued to australian police advocate that. maybe you could find some...?

From the article:

POLICE are being advised to treat Muslim domestic violence cases differently out of respect for Islamic traditions and habits.
 

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