The Central Scrutinizer – Case

Dr. A Sheikh · Mar 5, 2006

One of the NCH member floated a case at www.nch.ipbfree.com

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=643

A man of 66 was brought by his relatives for treatment of acute

schizophrenia. He was violent and had to be tied up in our hospital, since he
was attacking everybody. The history was that he was an artist who was poor
and had got married to a very rich man's daughter. This woman had a
congenital deformity of one arm and therefore could not find a suitable
groom. Her father decided that the best option was to find a poor man for her
and support him in coming up in life. After the marriage, there was a lot of
domination of our patient by his father-in-law. One day, after a serious
insult, this man became openly abusive and violent and developed this acute
condition.

This case was cured (?) with homeopathic medicine. What steps can be taken to prove such type of cases with Double Blind Test? Homeopathy believe to treat so many cases like this? Please suggest a proper protocol?

P.S: The case has now been deleted by MRC_Hans ( a prominent figure at this forum )

money · Mar 5, 2006

About a third of schizophrenics get better without drugs, all by themselves.

Here's my suggestion for a proper protocol: Get a life.

Dr. A Sheikh · Mar 5, 2006

Please help me in finding that proper protocol.

Arkan_Wolfshade · Mar 5, 2006

Dr. A Sheikh said:
Please help me in finding that proper protocol.

You lose at life. Go reroll a different class.

Mojo · Mar 5, 2006

Dr. A Sheikh;1487325[FONT='Times New Roman' said:
P.S: The case has now been deleted by MRC_Hans ( a prominent figure at this forum )

At the suggestion of NCH Forum Administrator "NCHPakistan", who found it "insulting", apparently.

eri · Mar 5, 2006

Dr. A Sheikh said:
Please help me in finding that proper protocol.

You're the doctor, Sheikh. Are you seriously telling us that you can get a doctorate in Pakistan without knowing how to conduct a simple experiment?

Mojo · Mar 5, 2006

There's a thread here for Sheikh to post a protocol for a double-blind test, as a first step towards keeping his promise to prove that homoeopathy works in a double-blinded trial, or quit homoeopathy. He has so far failed to contribute anything constructive.

Nucular · Mar 5, 2006

Dr. A Sheikh said:
One of the NCH member floated a case at www.nch.ipbfree.com

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=643

This case was cured (?) with homeopathic medicine. What steps can be taken to prove such type of cases with Double Blind Test? Homeopathy believe to treat so many cases like this? Please suggest a proper protocol?

P.S: The case has now been deleted by MRC_Hans ( a prominent figure at this forum )

Why don't you have a go at that, Sheikh? How could we rule out this chap just getting better on his own?

No, no, I don't expect any kind of sensible answer...

Mojo · Mar 5, 2006

Interestingly, the post was deleted well over a week ago, but Sheikh has for some reason only got around to asking us about it now. "The Central Scrutiniser" also only seems to have got around to complaining about it today. And Sheikh seems to still have access to the content of the deleted post.

Zep · Mar 6, 2006

What?? And here I was thinking that MAS was the webmaster over there! Now ain't that a co-inky-dink!

1984 · Mar 6, 2006

"Dr" A Sheikh is a quack

AnotherSillyAlias · Mar 6, 2006

Dr. A Sheikh said:
This case was cured (?) with homeopathic medicine. What steps can be taken to prove such type of cases with Double Blind Test? Homeopathy believe to treat so many cases like this? Please suggest a proper protocol?

Why do you insist on favouring us with your lying sleazy crap?

Czarcasm · Mar 6, 2006

On the other hand, using imaginary medicine to treat an imaginary problem does seem appropriate.

Zep · Mar 6, 2006

Alas, it's REAL money they fleece off their "patients".

Darat · Mar 6, 2006

Zep said:
Alas, it's REAL money they fleece off their "patients".

Which is something the Pakistani media and medical establishment is very worried about, indeed they call may of these so-called practitioners "quacks":

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_22-1-2004_pg7_51

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Medical Association (PMA) has claimed that more than 600,000 quacks are operating in the country without any fear of being caught by the government.

...snip...

The PMA report held that it was not possible to have a good health system in the presence of these kinds of healers, who are in fact responsible for the spread of diseases.

...snip...

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2005\10\27\story_27-10-2005_pg7_13

Thursday, October 27, 2005
AIDS awareness drive: NGO targets clerics and quacks

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/nov2004-daily/03-11-2004/oped/newspost.htm

Menace of quackery

Javed Iqbal

The bogey of health-care plan if implemented in the country in letter and spirit will no doubt alter the health scenario considerably but the dream of making the country an ideal wealth care place would remain unfulfilled till addressing the problems of quackery.

Whether it is a street, a commercial plaza, a big or small town, quacks are everywhere anxiously waiting to kill people wholesale while making mints on account of fake degrees ranging from MBBS to FRCS.
...snip...

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_2-2-2004_pg7_36

COMMENT: Quacks free to con the gullible

By Sarfaraz Ahmed

...snip...

the problem continues to grow in its gravity with every passing day because more healers and their medicines are damaging health than alleviating suffering, in a country where the regulation of healers and their armamentarium is comical at best.

...snip...

According to reports, a quack is required to pay just Rs 200 as a fine under the existing laws and is subsequently free to continue.

The number of quacks in Pakistan has increased astronomically, not only in rural areas but also in major towns such as Karachi from where about 50,000 quacks operate, reports say.

...snip...

Karachi’s major public hospitals such as Jinnah Post Graduate Medical Hospital, Civil Hospital and Abbasi Shaheed, have been receiving aggravated cases of various illnesses regularly thanks to the expertise of quacks. Several women coming to these hospitals with septicaemia and haemorrhage have been taken to near death by backyard midwives. And a number of such women die on their way to hospital or when they reach there because of their critical condition caused by quacks.

...snip...

So it is that the government is criminally allowing these wolves in sheeps’ clothing to continue toying with lives despite protests from citizens and professional organisations. Despite a PMA report on quacks, the Health Ministry and provincial health departments appear to be unmoved. Pakistan will not have a good health system as long as these so-called healers are free to con the gullible.

CFLarsen · Mar 6, 2006

Quacks are not just a menace. They are a deadly danger.

Mojo · Mar 6, 2006

This, from one of the articles Darat posted links to, is perhaps particularly relevant to the case mentioned in the OP of this thread:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_2-2-2004_pg7_36

Another such example is of psychiatric patients, who are subjected to a variety of unprofessional methods by quacks.

Dancing David · Mar 6, 2006

Dr. A Sheikh said:
One of the NCH member floated a case at www.nch.ipbfree.com

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=643

This case was cured (?) with homeopathic medicine. What steps can be taken to prove such type of cases with Double Blind Test? Homeopathy believe to treat so many cases like this? Please suggest a proper protocol?

P.S: The case has now been deleted by MRC_Hans ( a prominent figure at this forum )

1. Show a good diagnosis to demonstrate they had schizophrenia.
2. Give half the people in the trial a conventional medicine, give half the homeopathic medication.
3. Measure thiet symptoms six months later.

Dancing David · Mar 6, 2006

money said:
About a third of schizophrenics get better without drugs, all by themselves.

Here's my suggestion for a proper protocol: Get a life.

Where did you get that information and could you cite the source?

I am not being rude, but I have worked in mental health for 15 years and have had friends who developed schizophrenia, so I am interested.

I believe that it was a case of misdiagnosis, schizophrenia is overdiagnosed, which is why when we do PAS (pre-admession screen) for Illinois Medicaid admissions to a nursing facility the diagnosis has to come from a psychiatrist.

Issues in the diagnosis of schizophrenia are :
a. the six month prodromal period, to warrant a diagnosis of schizophrenia there should be the six month period of less than prominent symptoms and negative symptoms.
b. the negative symptoms, which are a lach of normal functional skills.
c. differential diagnosis:
-schizophrenaform disorder, like schizophrenia but lasts three to six months, and has a good prognosis
-acute psychotic disorder, symptoms are brief and transient in nature
- bipolar disorder. people who are manic are often psychotic
-major depression with psychotic features, there are those who get psychosis when depressed
-dementia, often appears to have psychosis but don't
-drug induced psychosis, especialy from methamphetamine.

So I am just curious where you heard that schizophrenia remits in a third of cases?

Dancing David · Mar 6, 2006

Nucular said:
Why don't you have a go at that, Sheikh? How could we rule out this chap just getting better on his own?

No, no, I don't expect any kind of sensible answer...

Unfortunately, for those with schizophrenia they don't get better all on thier own. It would be like having insulin dependant diabetes and just getting all better, and much less likely.

The Central Scrutinizer – Case

Muse

Muse

Muse

Philosopher

Mostly harmless

Critical Thinker

Mostly harmless

Illuminator

Mostly harmless

Banned

ex-PiousWoo

Graduate Poster

Groovy Groovy Guru

Banned

Lackey

Penultimate Amazing

Mostly harmless

Penultimate Amazing

Penultimate Amazing

Penultimate Amazing

Share this page

ISF - Join now!