Pat Robertson crazier than you thought: leg presses 2000 lbs

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Oh, and that's not the craziest part. He actually credits it to his "age-defying protein shake." How ever does he do it?

http://www.cbn.com/communitypublic/shake.asp

Come to think of it, it's no crazier than thinking he controls the weather, but then protein shakes seem a little far afield for TV preachers.
 
My mother has been a big follower of Father DiOrio for at least a decade. She has been telling me for over a year now about some magic anti-aging health drink he is pushing. Guess the religious leaders are getting in on the fad.

Shakers' shakes.
 
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That's pretty good... :rolleyes:
Strength Checks
Leg press/body weight ratio

Your leg strength/body weight ratio indicates how easily you can get and keep your body moving at high speeds. This ratio is important to speed improvements in short distances. A good ratio is 2.5:1 or a leg press score two and half times your body weight. If it is less than 2.5 then you should consider modifying the program to develop leg strength.
So he either weighs 800 pounds (2000 / 2.5), or, if he weighs 175 pounds, he's leg pressing almost 11-1/2 times his own weight. Either way, that's amazing.

I guess you can do anything, with God's help.
 
Oh, and that's not the craziest part. He actually credits it to his "age-defying protein shake." How ever does he do it?

http://www.cbn.com/communitypublic/shake.asp

Come to think of it, it's no crazier than thinking he controls the weather, but then protein shakes seem a little far afield for TV preachers.

There is a link to the recipe on that page, but you have to register first.

So I registered.

There's a picture in the pdf recipe file of Pat doing leg presses. :)

Pat's Age-Defying Shake

6-8 ounces of orange juice
(water, other fruit juices, low-fat or skim milk
can be substituted)
*5 tablespoons soy protein isolate
*5 tablespoons whey protein isolate
2 tablespoons natural apple cider vinegar
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil
1 tablespoon safflower oil
2 tablespoons (or more) soy lecithin
1 teaspoon MSM powder
1 teaspoon glutamine powder
5 - 6 frozen strawberries
(other fruits can be substituted)
Non-caloric sweetener to taste
4 - 5 ice cubes
(optional, use for a colder shake)

In a standard blender, combine the above ingredients. Blend until the shake is smooth and the ice cubes are crushed.

Optional ingredients you can try:
2 tablespoons non-fat plain yogurt or 1 banana (gives more body to the drink)
1 teaspoon Creatine, (5 grams) Creatine is intended to be used by those individuals who are engaged in strenuous physical activity and training. Individuals under the age of 18 years, should not use Creatine.
(if you add Creatine, remember you need to drink at least 8 oz. of water in addition to your shake).
*The amount of protein per serving is dependent upon the product purchased.You should aim for 32 grams of protein in the shake.
Adjust the quantity of tablespoons according to the label on the product purchased.

Creatine! :eek:

Before this recipe are 4 pages of explanations for each ingredient. For example:

My secretary tells me that apple cider vinegar is a great fat burner, and I don’t doubt her advice.

Here's the deal on the creatine:


In my reading I have learned that almost all serious athletes are now ingesting a natural product that is found present in beefsteak that is called creatine. Creatine enhances athletic performance — enables people to run faster, jump higher, and lift more weight in a gym. It is one of those things that the famous slugger Mark McGuire uses as part of his nutritional regimen. Creatine can either be taken by itself or can be taken in what is called a creatine transport system which includes high glycemic carbohydrates which enhances its effectiveness. Creatine can be added to the shake or it can be taken before and after exercise. Creatine pumps water into the muscle cells and causes them to enlarge which, in turn, permits them to accomplish more work in an athletic situation. The muscles then become stronger and, in the process, the individual gains more lean muscle mass and loses more fat. With creatine it is necessary to drink quite a bit of water (at least eight ounces) in addition to what is in the shake. From all indications, it is perfectly safe and beneficial; however, the best practice is to cycle off items like creatine every month or so for maximum effectiveness.

Okay. I took two drops of creatine under the tongue when I was working out. I swelled up like a balloon. When Robertson says "Creatine pumps water into the muscle cells and causes them to enlarge" , that is a no kidder. It took weeks, after only one dose, before my body was back to normal.

He has people putting a teaspoon of the stuff in their shakes. Jesus!
 
Okay. I took two drops of creatine under the tongue when I was working out. I swelled up like a balloon. When Robertson says "Creatine pumps water into the muscle cells and causes them to enlarge" , that is a no kidder. It took weeks, after only one dose, before my body was back to normal.

He has people putting a teaspoon of the stuff in their shakes. Jesus!

Luke, I don't know what kind of specific experience you have had, but creatine has been scientifically proven to increase athletic preformance and is used by a majority of Olympic athletes with no ill affect. The normal dosage is 5 grams per day. Also, it does not come in liquid form, as creatine "breaks down" in liquid. It is usually in powder form and is mixed with water and must be consumed withing a few hours.

No need to spread disinformation.

The shake itself looks great; it's a combination of everything that's been claimed to have a health benefit over the past few years. However, someone who is just starting to work out will show improvement no matter what they do, which can sometimes confuse scientific studies; in the same vain, I'm sure this shake will "enhance" the normal person, who I am sure has nowhere near an adequate diet.

No bananas?
 
Also, it does not come in liquid form, as creatine "breaks down" in liquid. It is usually in powder form and is mixed with water and must be consumed withing a few hours.

http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/creatineserum.htm

Recently, a product called Creatine Serum® has attracted a great deal of attention from creatine users all over the world.

The traditional way of using powdered creatine is to mix it with liquid (such as water), and then drink it. Creatine Serum® comes "pre-mixed". Taken as directed, you simply place a few drops of Creatine Serum® under the tongue. This is supposed to make it more convenient.

No need to spread disinformation.

Not.
 
Luke, I don't know what kind of specific experience you have had, but creatine has been scientifically proven to increase athletic preformance and is used by a majority of Olympic athletes with no ill affect.

http://www.stanforddaily.com/tempo?page=content&id=12997&repository=0001_article

However, it is perhaps because of this association with these famous athletes that a common misperception has arisen, leading some to believe that creatine helps people build muscle mass. In reality, creatine has not been shown to build more muscle mass or help men build muscle mass faster.

Creatine does initiate a temporary increase in water retention, causing the user to gain one to three additional pounds of water after ingestion. Indeed, it is this phenomenon that caused Dr. Ronald L. Terjung — who headed a panel on creatine use three years ago sponsored by the American College of Sports Medicine — to speculate that creatine users may benefit derivatively from a placebo effect.

“They look like performers, so they feel like performers,” Terjung reported on WebMD, an online medical research resource. “They pushed themselves to train a little harder, which made them build real strength. It’s conceivable there might have been a placebo effect.”

Placebo effect or not, creatine monohydrate — the supplement form of creatine — has been attributed with causing various gastrointestinal side effects. Common complaints include dehydration, nausea, dizziness and cramping, especially when taken immediately before exercise. And while cases of serious side effects from creatine remain are uncommon, in one case, an otherwise healthy 20-year-old man was hospitalized for four days with acute interstitial nephritis (kidney problems) after beginning a normal daily dosage regimen. Official sports and military policies on creatine monohydrate, which has not been approved by the Food and Drug Administration, remain rare or non-existent.
 
A few points:

I didn't feel like registering to read the whole thing, but this looks like an infomercial, including a testimonial from a "Dr. Gina Nick." Cue The Simpsons...

I don't see how a couple of drops of Creatine Serum (TM) can be more effective than a five gram dose of the powder, since the powder is 100% creatine monohydrate. What liquid is the serum dissolved in? How much actual creatine do you get in a couple of drops?

I've taken creatine on and off for years. Don't know if it helps or not (hard to do a double-blind study by myself...), but I've never had any ill effects. Other than an unexplained doubling of the size of my penis...
 
Hey Luke,

regarding that creatine serum...labs have tested that stuff by that same manufacturer. It had no active creatine in it. Creatine is unstable in water. That creatine serum is just one more scam product in an industry (the supplement industry) filled with scam products.

I've taken powdered creatine before and I never puffed up. I never really noticed any gains from it either so I stopped using it.

edit to add...

http://www.musclememory.com/blog/2004/08/47

In an Auckland New Zealand district court, Muscle Marketing USA has been fined $70,000 NZD (about $45,000 USD) for false claims about their Creatine Serum. Muscle Marketing claims that each 5 ml serving contains “the equivalent of” 2500 mg of creatine monohydrate. Analysis showed the product only contained 11.5 mg per dose.
 
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regarding that creatine serum...labs have tested that stuff by that same manufacturer. It had no active creatine in it. Creatine is unstable in water. That creatine serum is just one more scam product in an industry (the supplement industry) filled with scam products.
Luke, is it possible you might have had an allergic reaction? The stuff has honey and royal jelly in it.
Royal jelly, which is secreted from the salivary glands of worker bees, serves as food for all young larvae and as the only food for larvae that will develop into queen bees. Like bee pollen, it has been falsely claimed to be especially nutritious, to provide buoyant energy, and to have therapeutic properties.

Bee pollen and royal jelly should be regarded as potentially dangerous because they cause allergic reactions. People allergic to specific pollens have developed asthma, hives, and anaphylactic shock after ingesting pollen or royal jelly [5-12].
Link
 
Beats me. I know I'm not allergic to honey, though. I've eaten it many times in my life.

At least when women talk about "water retention" I can relate now. :D

ETA: The reaction I had took place within minutes, though. I took it because my workout buddy swore by it. He was always trying different stuff. He talked me into this "creatine". We did it in the gym parking lot. By the time I got to the weight room, I had swelled up. Mostly in my arms and face. It was at least two weeks before I felt back to normal.
 
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Strength Checks
Leg press/body weight ratio

Your leg strength/body weight ratio indicates how easily you can get and keep your body moving at high speeds. This ratio is important to speed improvements in short distances. A good ratio is 2.5:1 or a leg press score two and half times your body weight. If it is less than 2.5 then you should consider modifying the program to develop leg strength.
So he either weighs 800 pounds (2000 / 2.5), or, if he weighs 175 pounds, he's leg pressing almost 11-1/2 times his own weight. Either way, that's amazing.

I guess you can do anything, with God's help.

Well, they do point out that less than 2.5 is pretty damned pathetic and you should work on it.

Back in high school I weighed around 200 and was working out with 750, and I had the third biggest thighs on the football team, the other two being running backs, one of whom was, on retrospect, obviously juiced up (this was ~24 years ago.)

I don't know what my max was, but if this 70 year old can beat me in a leg press, I'll eat the Shroud of Turin.
 
I'm 31, 250 lbs, and press 925 lbs. Don't know my max, but it will not be that much higher.

I will really need to see this one to believe it...
 
More Pat Robertson Trivia:

Pat Robertson can slam revolving doors.

Pat Robertson doesn't have hair on his testicles, because hair does not grow on steel.

When Pat Robertson exercises, the machine gets stronger.

Pat Robertson is allowed to talk about Fight Club.

A blind man once stepped on Pat Robertson' shoe. Pat replied, "Don't you know who I am? I'm Pat Robertson!" The mere mention of his name cured this man's blindness. Sadly the first, last, and only thing this man ever saw, was a fatal roundhouse delivered by Pat Robertson.
 
I can also leg press 2000lbs. Easy Peasy. You know, in 200lb increments. 10 reps and I'm done.
 
In high school I weighed about 130 pounds and I would leg press 10 reps of 700 lbs., which is as high as our machine went. At the time, I rode my bicycle to school every day at a high rate of speed and my legs were very strong! I have to ask, are there even any leg press machines that go up to 2,000 pounds?
 
In high school I weighed about 130 pounds and I would leg press 10 reps of 700 lbs., which is as high as our machine went. At the time, I rode my bicycle to school every day at a high rate of speed and my legs were very strong! I have to ask, are there even any leg press machines that go up to 2,000 pounds?

Good question.
 

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