A political challenge...

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I'm in a debate on a more conservative forum; and over there it seems to be an axiom that liberals have more hate-filled rhetoric than conservatives.

Having challenged that point to argue that there is childishness and hateful words on both sides substituting for reasoned debate, I have been given a list of quotes to match.

Can anyone help point me to comments of similar viciousness made by conservatives? I've found some already--you don't have to be liberal to help me here, just willing to help me prove it's not one-sided.

"I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do of heart disease.. . . He's an absolutely reprehensible person."
-- Julianne Malveaux, Pacifica Radio talk show host, on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas

"Would it really be a bad idea if Rush Limbaugh got cancer of the mouth?"
-- Men's Fitness, May 1995, p20, article on cigar smoking

"I'll be watching, hoping someone shoots him. It would no doubt be a thrill."
-- Abraham Polonsky, blacklisted for his Communist sympathies in the 1950s, re Elia

Kazan's Lifetime Achievement award "Whenever I hear Trent Lott speak, I immediately think of nooses decorating trees. Big trees, with black bodies swinging."
-- Los Angeles Times, Karen Grigsby Bates

"I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good Lord's mind, because if there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will."
-- Nina Totenberg re Sen. Jesse Helms

(Selecting Ashcroft resembled) "the way Ku Klux Klan members worked to improve race relations: They, too, reached out to blacks with nooses and burning crosses."
-- Rep. William Clay of Missouri re George W. Bush's talk of outreach to black Americans

"I am thinking to myself in other countries they are laughing at us twenty four hours a day and I'm thinking to myself if we were in other countries, we would all right now, all of us together, [starts to shout] all of us together would go down to Washington and we would stone Henry Hyde to death! We would stone him to death! [crowd cheers] Wait! Shut up! Shut up! No shut up! I'm not finished. We would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and we'd kill their wives and their children. We would kill their families."
-- Alec Baldwin on Conan O'Brien show, 12/11/1998
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I've admitted that much of what's quoted here is appalling and that I don't defend it...AND that I don't particularly care to compare the worst of rhetoric both sides... but he specifically denies that there is any parity of invective and has challenged me for evidence in the form of other similarly vicious quotes from the other side.
 
Well, I'm sure you could get a comparable list from Ann Coulter alone, but if you're looking for variety of sources, I dunno.
 
"Would it really be a bad idea if Rush Limbaugh got cancer of the mouth?"
-- Men's Fitness, May 1995, p20, article on cigar smoking
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I would suggest that "Men's Fitness" (I assume this is a magazine?) is neither liberal nor conservative. I suspect they were writing some sort of anti-smoking article.

Just a guess.
 
I am SO hoping not to snarl this thread into a debate about the individual quotes... I just need a similar list of garbage to hand back as evidences.

Why someone would honestly need evidence that more than one side are losers is beyond me, but I aim to provide.
 
BPSCG said:
Well, I'm sure you could get a comparable list from Ann Coulter alone, but if you're looking for variety of sources, I dunno.
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I'm definitely starting there. Her and Savage should help me out a lot on this.
 
gnome said:
I'm definitely starting there. Her and Savage should help me out a lot on this.
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Neal Boortz, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh, too. Boortz occasionally refers to Hillary Clinton as "Hitlary" and "Hildebeast."
 
Also google phrases such as:

  • "moonbat" (used to describe any liberal, socialist, pacifist, or anarchist)
  • "useful idiots" (any critic of the Bush administration who isn't a "moonbat")
 
Cleon said:
Neal Boortz, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh, too. Boortz occasionally refers to Hillary Clinton as "Hitlary" and "Hildebeast."
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Those would be good places to mine some conservative hate.

However, one of the conservatives on that forum might point out DU, Daily KOS, or Huffington Post and the argument would be irrevocably lost.

The best you can hope for is to point out the copious rhetoric of the right when the political situation was reversed and Clinton was in office. Rhetoric is primarily output from the political ideology not currently in power because it's easier for many to take cheapshots than it is to actually discuss issues in a level-headed manner.
 
Apollyon said:
Those would be good places to mine some conservative hate.

However, one of the conservatives on that forum might point out DU, Daily KOS, or Huffington Post and the argument would be irrevocably lost.

The best you can hope for is to point out the copious rhetoric of the right when the political situation was reversed and Clinton was in office. Rhetoric is primarily output from the political ideology not currently in power because it's easier for many to take cheapshots than it is to actually discuss issues in a level-headed manner.
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That stuff will be fair game because some of the challengers' material is from the 90s too.

My intention is to compose a similar list. At this point he'll probably try to say that his list is worse than mine. My plan is to point out that it's about as silly as jumping into a child's argument of whether "doo-doo-head" or "fart-face" is more insulting.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
I would suggest that "Men's Fitness" (I assume this is a magazine?) is neither liberal nor conservative. I suspect they were writing some sort of anti-smoking article.

Just a guess.
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If the magazine is not partisan, it's likely that specific writer is.
 
Mycroft said:
If the magazine is not partisan, it's likely that specific writer is.
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Not really. Lads mags tend to have a "sod everyone who isn't us" atitude. Rush is the most prominant talk radio guy which may have been why he was the target of that comment.
 
August 26, 1994 - Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." ... "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches.


G Gordon Liddy, 1994.



The first quote in the list from the OP reminds me of a famous Churchill anecdote. Many of you will know it, but for those who don't, you'll like it. Churchill was approached by a female member of the House of Commons, a liberal, who said, "Mr. Churchill, you are a horrible man. If you were my husband, I would poison your coffee." He replied, "Madame, if you were my wife, I would drink it."
 
gnome said:
I'm in a debate on a more conservative forum; and over there it seems to be an axiom that liberals have more hate-filled rhetoric than conservatives.

Having challenged that point to argue that there is childishness and hateful words on both sides substituting for reasoned debate, I have been given a list of quotes to match.

Can anyone help point me to comments of similar viciousness made by conservatives? I've found some already--you don't have to be liberal to help me here, just willing to help me prove it's not one-sided.


I've admitted that much of what's quoted here is appalling and that I don't defend it...AND that I don't particularly care to compare the worst of rhetoric both sides... but he specifically denies that there is any parity of invective and has challenged me for evidence in the form of other similarly vicious quotes from the other side.
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You've been given some good starting points. I'll also say to find quotes by Pat Robertson, R J Rushdoony, Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps, Ralph Reed, Randall Terry, Tony Perkins, George Grant, D. James Kennedy, Gary North, Tom Delay, Billy Sunday. Point out that these people have made many hateful and anti-american statements.

Keep us posted on your progress.
 
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August 26, 1994 - Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." ... "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches.


G Gordon Liddy, 1994.
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Ironically, he later retracted this.

Oh, not the way you're thinking.

He was told by law enforcement and military people that, even if your target has a bullet proof vest on, you still shoot for the body. The reason being that hitting the head is a difficult thing to do and you're far more likely to hit the body. But even with a bullet proof vest, the guy'll be stunned and probably knocked down and out of the fight for the duration. People shot in a bullet proof vest still suffer one hell of a bruise and sometimes broken ribs.

So he retracted "shoot in for the head" to "shoot for the body" as the correct tactical decision for that situation.
 
Good old G. Gordon also once said that, during Watergate, they were trying to set up a houseboat in Florida with prostitutes to try to lure high Democrats down there, film them, then blackmail them. He also said they should have probably killed some of the people involved in Watergate to get it shut down. I don't recall if it was principals, reporters, or what. But it sounded pretty stupid so he may have been just beakin' off.
 
Meadmaker said:
"Mr. Churchill, you are a horrible man. If you were my husband, I would poison your coffee." He replied, "Madame, if you were my wife, I would drink it."
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Actually, that's a commonly-held misconception. The way it actually went was, "...I would poison your coffee." Churchill replied, "And if you were my wife, I'd beat the $h!t out of you."

It's true! :)
 
Cleon said:
Also google phrases such as:
  • "moonbat" (used to describe any liberal, socialist, pacifist, or anarchist)
  • "useful idiots" (any critic of the Bush administration who isn't a "moonbat")
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I don't think this is a very good comparison. If you read through gnome's list of quotes, you'll see that almost every single one of them (the Ashcroft one excepted) expressed a desire that some individual would suffer a gruesome, painful death. For something comparable, you'd have to look for conservatives wishing Hillary Clinton would get breast cancer, or John Kerry had died of gangrene from his Vietnam wounds, etc.
 
I posted a sampling of the worst of what I found and was guided to.

Before I posted, there was speculation as to whether I would weasel out of actually providing a list. I went ahead and posted it, and so far have managed to quiet down the active Ann Coulter thread there that had reached 13 pages... though I don't know if that was me, or if people are just losing interest.

So, no response yet.
 
gnome said:
I posted a sampling of the worst of what I found and was guided to.

Before I posted, there was speculation as to whether I would weasel out of actually providing a list. I went ahead and posted it, and so far have managed to quiet down the active Ann Coulter thread there that had reached 13 pages... though I don't know if that was me, or if people are just losing interest.

So, no response yet.
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I've come to notice that libs acknowledge and notice the wackos on their side but the right-wingers tend to pretend the wackos on their side don't exist.

BTW. Could you post the list here for us to see?
 
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Tony said:
I've come to notice that libs acknowledge and notice the wackos on their side but the right-wingers tend to pretend the wackos on their side don't exist.
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Or, if they do acknowledge the wackos on their side, they like to equate or liken their wackos to the not-quite-so wackos on the left.

(E.g., "Sure Ann Coulter is a little out there, but how is that different from Al Franken?")
 
Snide said:
Or, if they do acknowledge the wackos on their side, they like to equate or liken their wackos to the not-quite-so wackos on the left.

(E.g., "Sure Ann Coulter is a little out there, but how is that different from Al Franken?")
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Speaking of hateful speech, I remember a SNL bit Franken did with his partner (Al?) Davis, that was modelled after Johnny Carson's "Carnack the Great" mentalist comedy routine (for the uninitiated, "Carnack" would hold a sealed envelope to his head and answer the question in the sealed envelope, which would then be opened and read, making the question effectively the punch line).

Anyway, this was when the Shah was dying and it was widely reported his internal organs were failing. Franken held the envelope up to his head, closed his eyes, and intoned, "Little Friskies Liver and Kidneys Cat Food." Davis opened the envelope and read the question back: "What will they do with the Shah after he dies?"
 
BPSCG said:
Speaking of hateful speech, I remember a SNL bit Franken did with his partner (Al?) Davis, that was modelled after Johnny Carson's "Carnack the Great" mentalist comedy routine (for the uninitiated, "Carnack" would hold a sealed envelope to his head and answer the question in the sealed envelope, which would then be opened and read, making the question effectively the punch line).

Anyway, this was when the Shah was dying and it was widely reported his internal organs were failing. Franken held the envelope up to his head, closed his eyes, and intoned, "Little Friskies Liver and Kidneys Cat Food." Davis opened the envelope and read the question back: "What will they do with the Shah after he dies?"
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Yeah, despotic monarchs need love too.
 
Tony said:
Yeah, despotic monarchs need love too.
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Just remember that next time you wanna complain about Coulter's post-September 11 comment that we should bomb the Taliban, kill their leaders, and Christianize their country.
 
BPSCG said:
Just remember that next time you wanna complain about Coulter's post-September 11 comment that we should bomb the Taliban, kill their leaders, and Christianize their country.
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Why? The two are completely and fundamentally different. Frankin was making fun of the death of a tyrant, Ann Coulter was advocating the replacement of one theocracy with another and the forcful religious conversion of innocent civilians. The fact that you equate the two reveals much about your loyalties.
 
Tony said:
Why? The two are completely and fundamentally different. Frankin was making fun of the death of a tyrant, Ann Coulter was advocating the replacement of one theocracy with another and the forcful religious conversion of innocent civilians. The fact that you equate the two reveals much about your loyalties.
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Franken was mocking the impending death of a tyrant, Coulter was calling for the death of people involved in the murder of 3000 Americans, including a personal friend of hers. How many Americans did the Shah kill?
 
BPSCG said:
Franken was mocking the impending death of a tyrant, Coulter was calling for the death of people involved in the murder of 3000 Americans, including a personal friend of hers.
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So you're reduced to lying about this issue. She said, (your words):

...should bomb the Taliban, kill their leaders, and Christianize their country.
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She called for the forceful conversion of regular Afghan to Christianity.

How many Americans did the Shah kill?
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Who gives a *****? My metric for measuring the evil of a regime isn't predicated on how many American deaths the regime is responsible for. Using your silly metric, the Confederacy is worse than the Taliban, Saddam Hussien, North Korea and the USSR combined.
 
Tony said:
My metric for measuring the evil of a regime isn't predicated on how many American deaths the regime is responsible for.
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I know; it's based on how many of its leaders go to church on Sunday.
 
BPSCG said:
I know; it's based on how many of its leaders go to church on Sunday.
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Hmm, so this thread has reduced you to a liar and someone who makes pathetic ad homs. That is the typical right-wing reaction when you've been shown to be utterly wrong.
 
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*blows whistle*

Please, kindly take the debate over specific quotes to another thread--we've got enough Coulter threads, we don't need another one started here. That's not my intent for this...
 
Here's what I quoted:

"Oh, you're one of the sodomites! You should only get AIDS and die, you pig! How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig? You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage? You got nothing to do today? Go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get trichinosis. Okay, got another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bath house and is angry at me today?"
--Michael Savage

"...these big-mouthed, phony scum of the ACLU, who should be rounded up, arrested for sedition. Their property seized, and they should be put into Abu Ghraib prison as far as I'm concerned. That wouldn't be enough of what I'd like to see done to the ACLU. They're the worst vermin America has ever tolerated. The worst vermin in the history of America are the vermin in the ACLU."
--Michael Savage, June 19, 2004

VESTER: "You say you’d rather not talk to liberals at all?"
COULTER: "I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days."
(FOX News Channel, DaySide with Linda Vester, 10/6)

"[Learning difficulties are a cover for] rich parents with dumb kids...That's why 'Pinch' Sulzberger, the publisher of The New York Times, is alleged to have dyslexia - because he's retarded"--Ann Coulter, The Independent, 16 August, 2004

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."
--Ann Coulter

"Did you know there's a White House dog?"
--Rush Limbaugh (showing a picture of Chelsea Clinton at 13)

"If Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead."
--Bill O'Reilly, after San Francisco voted to ban military recruiters from city schools, Nov. 8, 2005.

"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up like Newt Gingrich wants to do." –Pat Robertson, on wiping out the State Department

"Homosexuals want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers." Pat Robertson, 700 Club, 1/18/95

"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." ... "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches."
--G. Gordon Liddy, 1994

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
-—Randall Terry, 1993
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Still the last message of the thread...
 
gnome said:
*blows whistle*

Please, kindly take the debate over specific quotes to another thread--we've got enough Coulter threads, we don't need another one started here. That's not my intent for this...
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I agree.

Do you have any updates about this Gnome?
 
Most conservative personalities I hear on the box thoroughly and dutifully bash the "libs" and retreat to "independant status when equal folly expresses itself on the conservative side.
 
gnome said:
Not a thing--they've been silent on that thread ever since.
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I figured as much. Keep their feet to the fire and see if they'll come to the defense of that crap or if they'll acknowledge that conservatives are known to utter hateful and unamerican rhetoric.
 
I'm not bumping it, I don't think... I want to wait and see if they make the same argument again (that the left has the market on spiteful rhetoric cornered)... THEN I'll point to the thread.

In the meantime I enjoy the idea of the original challengers having no response.
 
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