Loose Change - Part III

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Woo-hoo! First post in Loose Change part three! (besides the admin creation).
 
brodski said:
They had to scrap loos change 3d, they couldn't work out how to wear 3d glasses and tinfoil hats at the same time.
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Loos Change always makes me think of someone trying to find 20p for the toilets in Victoria Station.
 
funny glasses not needed

Anything new that the saviours of our world have brought to our attention? DJ Lunacy been over to debunk gravy yet?
 
hellaeon said:
Anything new that the saviours of our world have brought to our attention? DJ Lunacy been over to debunk gravy yet?
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Someone over there asked me if I had "coached" Gravy, based on an article I had written for Skeptic Report a few years ago. Very flattering, but...I told him it wasn't necessary, since the silliness was there for anyone to find.
 
Well found out something interesting Saturday. Was walking with the wife and the little one in the local park, and decided to go up to a glass case that was installed a few months ago. Been seeing it on and off for the past 2 months or so, but never took a close look. From a diatance it looked like there was a large log or something along those lines inside. Well turns out it's a support column from WTC 2 that was recoveredd in the aftermath of 9/11. It's about 6 feet long, maybe 18 inches across or so. Looking at the ends you can clearly see how the metal was twisted and torn, no sign of demo charge cut marks or thermite burn through. I will try to get some pics later this week. So looking forward to are next LC CTer claiming that the support beams were cut.
 
Nice to start fresh after Sentinel ruined the second thread with his unintelligible comments.
 
More offensive idiocy at the LC Forum...

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=682&view=findpost&p=5433102

SqueakyBoom said:
And remember the Sago mine disaster? The initial reports were that the miners were alive. If you heard the testimony of the guy who first reported that they found the miners, it was obvious that he'd been told in no uncertain terms to change his story. I think they WERE alive when they found them. I think they had discovered something, or had witnessed something that the company couldn't risk them talking about, and they let them die. I only recently realized this, and I'm going to be looking into it more. I'm going to try to find some geological reports of the area to see if I can come up with any anomalies.
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I'm tempted to compile a list of all the conspiracies these kids think happened, and post the list at their forum. Maybe do a poll.
 
Well thats one way to explain why Sylvia Browne was wrong about the miners. "They were alive when I predicted that! But Big-Mining had them killed!"

Rule8'ing disgusting.
 
Let's Help out Chuck Sheen

Over at the Looser's Forum:

I'm still looking for the shocking post regarding the collusion of CIA, Greatful Dead, Charles Manson, SOS, etc. Someone help me out.
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Okay, now that sounds like an interesting post. Anybody?
 
Someone find me a connection between:
George W. Bush
Italian Greyhounds
Jim Lovell
Ray Romano
The Flash
Metallica
and the Corliolus Effect.

And....GO!
 
In regards of post 17:

Thats simple:
[CT thinking cap on]
The Flash, as in the cartoon character, is in reality speaking in codes, thus enabling George W. Bush to communicate with various Illuminati chapters at the same time all over the world. Same goes for Ray Romano's lines in "Everybody Loves Raymond". This particulary coorporation came about as Ray Romano are a member of the same species of lizards as both Jim Lovell and Bush not to mention the drummer, Lars Ulrich, from Metallica. The same code also presents itself if you play Metallicas tracks backwards and count the drumbeats. And don't tell me you haven't heard the satanic messages on those tracks! Metallica is, after all, the right hand of the Antichrist also known as George W. Bush.
These codes are centered arround a sinister plot to change the weatherpatterns of the world by using the local atmospheric changes of greyhoundraces at specific time and places to influence the Corliolus Effect. Italian Greyhounds are particulary good at this due to their aerodynamic shape and speed. Don't tell me you haven't noticed how the weather changes when they have one of those races! It's so obvious!

[/CT thinking cap off]

That was....way to easy....
 
The_Fire said:
In regards of post 17:

Thats simple:
[CT thinking cap on]
The Flash, as in the cartoon character, is in reality speaking in codes, thus enabling George W. Bush to communicate with various Illuminati chapters at the same time all over the world. Same goes for Ray Romano's lines in "Everybody Loves Raymond". This particulary coorporation came about as Ray Romano are a member of the same species of lizards as both Jim Lovell and Bush not to mention the drummer, Lars Ulrich, from Metallica. The same code also presents itself if you play Metallicas tracks backwards and count the drumbeats. And don't tell me you haven't heard the satanic messages on those tracks! Metallica is, after all, the right hand of the Antichrist also known as George W. Bush.
These codes are centered arround a sinister plot to change the weatherpatterns of the world by using the local atmospheric changes of greyhoundraces at specific time and places to influence the Corliolus Effect. Italian Greyhounds are particulary good at this due to their aerodynamic shape and speed. Don't tell me you haven't noticed how the weather changes when they have one of those races! It's so obvious!

[/CT thinking cap off]

That was....way to easy....
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Woah! I didn't even think someone would actually do it! Great job! ;)
 
SqueakyBoom said:
And remember the Sago mine disaster? The initial reports were that the miners were alive. If you heard the testimony of the guy who first reported that they found the miners, it was obvious that he'd been told in no uncertain terms to change his story. I think they WERE alive when they found them. I think they had discovered something, or had witnessed something that the company couldn't risk them talking about, and they let them die. I only recently realized this, and I'm going to be looking into it more. I'm going to try to find some geological reports of the area to see if I can come up with any anomalies.
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Quaid! Start the reactor! Free Mars!

Typical rubbish. "It was obvious..." "he'd been told..." (beautiful leading use of passive voice there) "I think..." "I only recently realized this..."

However, I really feel sorry for those people. Mental illness is no laughing matter.
 
LOL, he did make a few intelligible points. They were all wrong, but at least comprehensible. You are correct though, the hardest part is not debunking, it is getting them to say something comprehensible in the first place.
 
JamesB said:
LOL, he did make a few intelligible points. They were all wrong, but at least comprehensible. You are correct though, the hardest part is not debunking, it is getting them to say something comprehensible in the first place.
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Your capacity to keep up with his comments and sort through them in a conversation is all to your credit! :D
 
aggle-rithm said:
Someone over there asked me if I had "coached" Gravy, based on an article I had written for Skeptic Report a few years ago. Very flattering, but...I told him it wasn't necessary, since the silliness was there for anyone to find.
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I'm sure you'd be a great coach, aggle. I have been righting wrongs for quite some time on my own, though.

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Dylan Shuts Down "No Planes" Thread

Perhaps it was hitting a little too close to home? Killtown and Holmgren were arguing that many of the eyewitness accounts of those who saw the second plane hit the WTC weren't really eyewitnesses, so Merc the Jerk assembled a bunch of eyewitness accounts.

Of course, that's getting a little too close to the argument we raise against the Pentagon nonsense; that there are plenty of eyewitnesses who saw an airliner hit the Pentagon, so Dylan closed the thread.
 
Brainster said:
Dylan Shuts Down "No Planes" Thread
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Well, bless his tiny brain, that is truly hilarious. The idea that no planes hit the WTC is absurd, but the idea that no plane hit the Pentagon is the "truth." Yep. Makes perfect sense.
 
Oh gawd...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2928756561478705121

JFK II is an incredible documentary film that totally destroys any notion of Lee Harvey Oswald being responsible for the murder of ... all » President John F. Kennedy. Packed with original and new footage, JFK II provides strong clues as to who was really behind the assassination.

This examination of the ecidence is meticulous ans well-documented. JFK II ia a criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush and establishws beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy.

EDIT: Spelling errors are unchanged from the included synopsis on google video.
 
I have some questions, hope you all don't mind. I know the Loosers keep on with them.

Might I ask what the 'free-fall' thing is all about? Is this what happens during a controlled demolition?

Also, why is christophera banging on about this concrete core? What has that got to do with anything?

Finally, in this:

http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0069b_3_towerexplo1_explosion_below.jpg

What is that poking through the top of the cloud of dust?
 
sat556 said:
I have some questions, hope you all don't mind. I know the Loosers keep on with them.

Might I ask what the 'free-fall' thing is all about? Is this what happens during a controlled demolition?

Also, why is christophera banging on about this concrete core? What has that got to do with anything?

Finally, in this:

http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0069b_3_towerexplo1_explosion_below.jpg

What is that poking through the top of the cloud of dust?
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The CTs contend that the 3 WTC buildings fell "too fast," that is, at or near the speed they would have fallen if nothing resisted their fall. Some even claim that the towers fell as fast as they would in a vacuum, i.e. true free fall. The NIST report gives CTs a little ammunition because it refers to the towers as falling at "near" free fall speed. But then NIST goes on to say that the DIFFERENCE in the actual collapse speed and free fall is accounted for by the resistance providecd by the building's structure (and by air). The CTs leave that part out. If you're talking about 2 or 3 seconds' difference, that's 20 or 30% slower than free fall, which the folks with slide rules say is within the expected range. Now, do buildings that undergo "CD" fall at "free fall" speed? No. Controlled demolitions are designed to weaken certain supporting members so that gravity can do its work, not to simulaneously remove every supporting member in the structure.

The concrete core thing is just a fantasy dreamed up by Christophera and a few others. It might have made a difference in how long the towers survived if they had concrete cores, but they didn't.

That photo shows material being ejected from the 41/42 floor mechanical levels as the building collapses. It's likely that material had an easier exit on the mechanical floors, since they had vents to the exterior.

ETA: Oh, you asked what's poking through the TOP of the dust cloud. Well, there's a piece of exterior wall sticking out near the top center of the cloud. Is that what you mean?
 
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Gravy said:
Some even claim that the towers fell as fast as they would in a vacuum, i.e. true free fall.
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Now that's what I was thinking of. I couldn't figure for the life of me how even a CT could be claiming that. But apparently... :boggled:

ETA: Oh, you asked what's poking through the TOP of the dust cloud. Well, there's a piece of exterior wall sticking out near the top center of the cloud. Is that what you mean?
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Ah yes, it is what I meant, and I can see it now. I was thinking it might be that spire thing.

Ta :)
 
sat556 said:
Now that's what I was thinking of. I couldn't figure for the life of me how even a CT could be claiming that. But apparently... :boggled:
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Not long ago quite a few of them were using the phrase "faster than free fall," but that seems to have died down.

Ah yes, it is what I meant, and I can see it now. I was thinking it might be that spire thing.
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Same idea. The "spire" was a tall piece of the north tower wall that survived for a few seconds. I'm always impressed by how much of the lower wall structure remained standing. That's a great example of how the tower walls differed from a traditional curtain-wall skyscraper.
 
SqueakyBoom said:
And remember the Sago mine disaster? The initial reports were that the miners were alive. If you heard the testimony of the guy who first reported that they found the miners, it was obvious that he'd been told in no uncertain terms to change his story. I think they WERE alive when they found them. I think they had discovered something, or had witnessed something that the company couldn't risk them talking about, and they let them die. I only recently realized this, and I'm going to be looking into it more. I'm going to try to find some geological reports of the area to see if I can come up with any anomalies.
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Obviously the miners had stumbled onto a secret underground government complex, where they're busy developing all of their holographic planes, faster-than-freefall gravity generators, and mind-controlling chemtrail dispensers.
 
delphi_ote said:
Two splits?! What have I done!?
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Well, you certainly created one of the longer thread(s) in forum history.

also,

- created a quasi-battleground between the JREF and Loose Change forums. In the process you created the JREF Ninja Wave.

- helped educate quite a few people as to the arguments on both sides of the discussion.

- allowed me to add "government shill" to my list of titles.

- given everyone a few pauses for serious thought (and more than a few chuckles)

All in all, it's a great thread. I just wish the DJLegacy/Gravy thread had taken off. That would have been a good read as well.
 
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