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30th July 2006, 03:32 PM | #1 |
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Definitions--split from Why do people hate Jews
It is amazing how simple words have been twisted by the extreme and not so extreme right wing. And yes, the left wing has been guilty of this as well. Take this exchange in the split-from thread:
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Sometimes the change in words can be beneficial--"gay" instead of pejoratives, for example. But for the most part, unless we all agree on the common definitions, communication becomes nearly impossible. Unlike Humpty Dumpty, we need to let the words be the master. End of rant. Sorry if I've bored you. |
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30th July 2006, 03:39 PM | #2 |
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It only becomes a dirty word if you allow them to make it so. Personally, I would like to see Pipeline Audio make the word immigrant a positive term rather than attempting to redefine his own position. I think he should feel proud of his Mexican heritage as well as his American citizenship. Remember, nearly everyone in the US is an immigrant or has an ancestor who was once an immigrant as well. If you really want to get technical, even American Indians originally immigrated from Asia.
I also believe that if someone calls you a liberal, you should be proud of that fact. Liberalism has always had in important role in our country. In fact, the liberal viewpoint may be more important now than ever. |
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30th July 2006, 03:52 PM | #3 |
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Immigrant IS a positive term it is one part of what makes this country so great!
It is also an affirmation of the greatness of the country that there ARE immigrants (as in, people are WANTING to come here!) I object to what some of the media has done, to mix immigrant in with criminal invader these are two TOTALLY different things Those who become richer by exploiting illegal labor do their damndest to stick them in with immigrants in order to cloud the issue and FALSELY Imply that those against criminal invaders are against immigrants COme take a good look down here, you will find that despite the media's complacency or outright lying to say immigrants and criminal invaders are the same thing, it is the RESIDENT hispanic population here that is screaming the loudest against illegal immigration they are the ones being hurt more than anyone else and they know it and are making a stink about it The most interesting thng to me is that it isnt a left or right issue both left and right make money off of this crime and suffering we got a righty president who kisses their ass we got lefty governor Janet come lately who kisses their ass the *people* both left and right, have other things to say on the issue Lefties are pissed because there is no money left for education, health care or social programs righties are pissed because their businesses cant compete with criminals who hire criminal labor both parties are holding hands and screwing the people on this one |
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31st July 2006, 11:43 AM | #4 |
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I participated in the original thread and noticed this exchange between pipelineaudio and bob_kark.
My original reaction was that it was one of the sillier exchanges that I had seen on JREF. I went back and reread the exchange and still see it as pretty silly. If we had a category for silliest analogy I would have nominated this effort by pipelineaudio:
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OK, I'm back. So I get this from the exchange. pipeline audio thinks that people who immigrate illegally should not be called immigrants because that is an insult to the legal immigrants. pipelineaudio also doesn't think there are people who resent legal immigrants. Hmm, assuming I've got this right, it seems like pipelineaudio has a personal definition of the word immigrant and he objects to the fact that bob_kark doesn't use it. It also seems that pipelineaudio sees the US population as completely appreciative of all immigration as long as it's legal. So on a little more reflection of the subject, I now see that there are some substantive differences between bob_kark's views and pipelineaudio's and it looks to this humble observer that pipelineaudio is just wrong in this dispute. ETA: That is not to say that I still don't think this was a pretty silly exchange. I do. Especially because on the underlying substance of the issue I suspect that bob_kark and pipelineaudio are pretty much in agreement. |
31st July 2006, 11:50 AM | #5 |
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I am technically wrong
I just object to the way the media mixes up legal and illegal immigration and implies that if you are against illegal immigration you are against legal immigration they are as different as sex and rape yes all B is A but not all A is B Obviously the media's obfuscation is working |
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