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Old 9th August 2006, 04:54 AM   #1
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Post 9/11 conspiracy editorials here

This thread is intended to collect well-written editorials & commentary about 9/11 conspiracies.

Chicago Sun-Times
"Academics fill grassy knoll spot abandoned by Oliver Stone"
Richard Roeper
http://www.suntimes.com/output/roepe...ws-roep08.html
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Old 9th August 2006, 05:00 AM   #2
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Salon.com
"The 9/11 deniers"
Farhad Manjoo
http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/200...ies/index.html
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Old 9th August 2006, 05:02 AM   #3
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Minneapolis/St. Paul CityPages
"The Man Who Thought He Knew Too Much"
Mike Mosedale
http://www.citypages.com/databank/27...ticle14475.asp
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Old 9th August 2006, 05:12 AM   #4
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(Not an editorial, but it's new and devastating--the more publicity the better)
www.implosionworld.com
"A Critical Analysis of the Collapse of WTC Towers 1, 2 & 7 from an Explosives and Conventional Demolition Industry Viewpoint"
Brent Blanchard, et al
http://xbehome.com/screwloosechange/...ard_8-8-06.pdf
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Old 9th August 2006, 05:25 AM   #5
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NPR piece this morning
"Conspiracy Theories Find a Home on the Internet"
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5629332
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Old 9th August 2006, 07:14 AM   #6
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Albany Times Union
"Web movie takes flight"
Mark McGuire
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...storyID=506008
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Salon.com: Ask the Pilot
http://salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006.../index_np.html

Conspiracy film rewrites Sept. 11
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-sept-11_x.htm

Guardian Observer on 9/11 Commission report and some 9/11 myths
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus...243079,00.html

"Goofball Shockumentary" (Loose Change review)
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/Issue...news/Bird.html
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NPR piece this morning
"Conspiracy Theories Find a Home on the Internet"
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5629332
To comment on this interview with Dylan Avery:
http://www.npr.org/contact/

Comments on Morning Edition are summarized, and some are read, on a weekly basis.
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Vanity Fair on NORAD response
http://www.vanityfair.com/features/general/060801fege01

Village Voice on CT Videos
http://www.villagevoice.com/film/063...,74115,20.html
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Old 15th August 2006, 11:47 AM   #10
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Here's a good one from way back in 2002, by David Corn:

When 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Go Bad
By David Corn, AlterNet. Posted March 1, 2002.
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Old 17th August 2006, 02:19 AM   #11
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Der Spiegel's piece is from 2003, but extremely good (focuses a bit more on European 9/11 theories) - http://service.spiegel.de/cache/inte...265160,00.html

No-one's mentioned the Popular Mechanics article yet so, at the risk of stating the obvious, I will - http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html
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Old 17th August 2006, 10:08 AM   #12
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This one was scanned in at the Looser's Forum, from the Sun (UK), which has pay archives.

For those who've been banned, it starts like this:

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Some loony keeps sending me messages that 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy, aided and abetted by oil cartels and the US military to justify Iraq.
He goes on to say that all this lunacy might be funny, if it weren't for the fact that it might end up convincing young Muslims. From there he gives a brief overview of the conspiracy theories, then notes that even if radical Muslims were responsible, there are many Muslim extremists who claim that "we" deserved it, and calls for moderate Muslims to speak out against this jihadi attitude.
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Old 17th August 2006, 10:22 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
This one was scanned in at the Looser's Forum, from the Sun (UK), which has pay archives.

For those who've been banned, it starts like this:



He goes on to say that all this lunacy might be funny, if it weren't for the fact that it might end up convincing young Muslims. From there he gives a brief overview of the conspiracy theories, then notes that even if radical Muslims were responsible, there are many Muslim extremists who claim that "we" deserved it, and calls for moderate Muslims to speak out against this jihadi attitude.
A direct link:
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This article seems to have hit a nerve.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51540



http://www.911blogger.com/
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...tevenjones.htm
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Old 20th August 2006, 08:40 AM   #16
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NZ Herald columnist Paul Thomas has written an opinion piece entitled "Conspiracy theorists losing grip on reality".

Sadly its a pay-per-view piece. The opening lines (which are all I can read) are:

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Veteran Australian leftist Phillip Adams reports that his email was a deafening chatter of disbelief after the apparent foiling of a plot to blow up nine airliners. His correspondents simply don't believe it.
I'd post a link to the NZ Herald opinion page but I haven't made enough posts yet.

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NZ Herald columnist Paul Thomas has written an opinion piece entitled "Conspiracy theorists losing grip on reality".

Sadly its a pay-per-view piece. The opening lines (which are all I can read) are:



I'd post a link to the NZ Herald opinion page but I haven't made enough posts yet.
You can post links, just take out the http://www.
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Old 21st August 2006, 07:38 AM   #18
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SMITH magazine
"Korey Rowe: The Loose Cannon of 9/11"
Michael Slenske
http://smithmag.us/2006/08/10/korey-...cannon-of-911/

This is an interview with Korey Rowe. Some choice quotes:

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“I’ve got four movie studios [including Paramount and Miramax] beating down my door to make the final cut,” says Rowe, who’s now got offices from California to London to handle his growing company.
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Loose Change happened by accident. The whole thing started out as a fictional screenplay about me and Dylan and another friend of ours finding out 9/11 was an inside job. It started out as a comedic action film with us being chased by the FBI and all that. But when Dylan started researching the screenplay he found out the attacks really were an inside job, so we made it into a documentary. I see myself as a person who’s a buffer between conspiracy theorist and military informant, so I thought my help on Loose Change would make it a better quality piece, something more mainstream people who aren’t into conspiracies could really watch and take in. I call it the gateway drug because it can take someone totally green to the information—who believed Muslims carried out 9/11, that the World Trade Center was brought down because of jet fuel, and that the Pentagon was hit by a plane—you put them in front of this movie and 80 minutes later they are going to question it at least. Bottom line: they’re going to question it. It makes people think. It made me think, so I wanted to make other people think.
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Slenske:The Blair Witch Project also looked real to people who were in on the documentary preceding it. It totally worked. The first time you watch it, it grabs you. But Loose Change isn’t meant to be fictional. It’s a watchable film, but what do you expect people to do with it?
Rowe: What I encourage people to do is go out and research it themselves. We don’t ever come out and say that everything we say is 100 per cent. We know there are errors in the documentary, and we’ve actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves—the B52 [remarked to have flown into the Empire State Building], the use of Wikipedia, things like that. We left them in there so people will want to discredit us and go out and research the events yourself and come up with your own conclusions
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We’re not about making money on the whole thing—we’re about getting information out. That’s why we’ve turned down seven figures, more than once, from people looking to buy our film and put it in theaters—because they don’t care about it.
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SMITH magazine
"Korey Rowe: The Loose Cannon of 9/11"
Michael Slenske
http://smithmag.us/2006/08/10/korey-...cannon-of-911/
Thanks Chipmunk. Post comments there, everyone. I did.
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SMITH magazine
"Korey Rowe: The Loose Cannon of 9/11"
Michael Slenske
http://smithmag.us/2006/08/10/korey-...cannon-of-911/
Also reprinted on AlterNet:
http://alternet.org/story/40476/
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Old 21st August 2006, 03:46 PM   #21
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The Chicago Tribune had an editorial on 9/11 conspiracies today:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...ewsopinion-hed
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Old 23rd August 2006, 06:09 AM   #22
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Crazy Chainsaw's intriguing experiments:
http://www.mauinews.com/story.aspx?id=22618
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Here's the link to Maddox:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons

referenced in this thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ghlight=Maddox
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Here's a review of Barrie Zwicker's ("Go Air Force!") book, Towers of Deception as well as the comic book version of the 9-11 Commission Report.

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But what I do have great difficulty believing is that the "perpetrators" are intelligent enough and, I suppose, quite evil enough, not only to concoct such a grand strategy, but to carry it off so deviously that only Zwicker and his allies can discern its true nature. I have just as hard a time believing that this sometimes entertainingly obsessive screed has proved anything at all.
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Another opinion piece in the Chicago Tribune today, this one quite scathing. I love this line:
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The conspiracy nimrods, of course, won't be there alone. Mainstream media nimrods also will attend in great numbers. TV anchors will solemnly speak of "disturbing new questions" about Sept. 11 and break to interviews with charla-tans, incompetents, nut cases and the gullible, all united as fools.
eta: the author's blog.
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Here's another good one, with the best explanation yet as to why the film was called Loose Change:

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You need merely type "9/11 conspiracy" into an Internet search engine to become swept into this seductive web of nonsense. The creators of films like "Loose Change" (perfectly titled because it doesn't add up to much) and Web sites like www.911Truth.org pick through the details of one of this nation's darkest days with the paranoid verve of mad patriots, convinced they are uncovering the truth behind their worst fears.
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Here's another good one, with the best explanation yet as to why the film was called Loose Change:
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Based on how they respond to criticism and reason, talking sense to people like these serves as much purpose as licking a bald man's head to solve algebraic equations.
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Mark Steyn tackles the nutbars and reviews the Popular Mechanics' book.

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Debunking 9/11 Myths does a grand job of explaining such popular conspiracy-website mainstays as how a 125-foot-wide plane leaves a 16-foot hole in the Pentagon. Answer: it didn't. The 16-foot hole in the Pentagon's Ring C was made by the plane's landing gear. But the problem isn't scientific, it's psychological: if you're prepared to believe that government agents went to the trouble of researching, say, gay rugby player Mark Bingham's family background and vocal characteristics so they could fake cellphone calls back to his mom, then clearly you're not going to be deterred by mere facts. As James B. Meigs, the editor-in-chief of Popular Mechanics, remarks toward the end of this book, the overwhelming nature of the evidence is, to the conspiratorially inclined, only further evidence of a cover-up: "One forum posting that has multiplied across the Internet includes a long list of the physical evidence linking the 19 hijackers to the crime: the rental car left behind at Boston's Logan airport, Mohammed Atta's suitcase, passports recovered at the crash sites, and so on. 'HOW CONVENIENT!' the author notes after each citation. In the heads-I-win-tails-you-lose logic of conspiracism, there is no piece of information that cannot be incorporated into one's pet theory."
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Rocky Mountain News: CT's show their colors...
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...957231,00.html
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Rocky Mountain News: CT's show their colors...
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...957231,00.html
What's even more interesting is that one of the 'scholars' seems to have realized that CD cannot be improvised:

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One of the "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" did write me a long, patient letter in which he urged me to investigate the collapse of Building 7 with a view to discovering "the culprits responsible for setting up the explosive charges. It was obviously done well in advance of 9/11 - it's impossible to configure and set up a building of this size in a day; the job would take a professional company several months to accomplish."
No names, but the 'long, patient letter' bit does not sound like Fetzer, any ideas who?

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AM NY has some superficial coverage, more of a feature story than an editorial. Quotes by Bermas and Les Jamieson.
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Here's a terrific NY Times article as found in the IHT. The writer does a great job of debunking controlled demolition:

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The demolition theory has managed to endure what would seem to be enormous obstacles to its practicality. Controlled demolition is done from the bottom of buildings, not the top, to take advantage of gravity, and there is little dispute that the collapse of the two towers began high in the towers, in the areas where the airplanes struck.

Moreover, a demolition project would have required the walls of the towers to be opened on dozens of floors, followed by the insertion of thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms, all sneaked past the security stations, inside hundreds of feet of walls on all four faces of both buildings. Then the walls presumably would have been closed up.

All this would have had to take place without attracting the notice of any of the thousands of tenants and workers in either building; no witness has ever reported such activity. Then on the morning of Sept. 11, the demolition explosives would have had to withstand the impacts of the airplanes, since the collapse did not begin for 57 minutes in one tower, and 102 minutes in the other.
Well worth the read!
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US News & World Report

Good overall article, firmly coming down on the skeptic side while presenting reasonable balance.

SLC (blog and movie) gets a mention as do Abby and Gravy, unfortunately not by name:

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A blog and movie called Screw Loose Change both specialize in snarky commentary about Loose Change's flimsy evidence. On a recent Saturday at ground zero, bickering between the 9/11 Truthers and their critics, who have also taken to showing up weekly, grew so heated that they were broken up by a police officer.
Also note the title bar: 9-11 conspiracy theorists may be gaining ground, but they are selling the big lie.
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...hy_the_9/11_co

A great article from Times.com...Really sums up the "allure" of the 9/11 Consipracy world, but then tells us...how "unglorious" the actual truth is...a great read.

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The Guardian Rips the "Scholars"

Solid overall article; get this ending which is clearly intended as a punchline:

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"We're academics and we're rational, and we really believe Congress or someone should investigate this," says David Gabbard, an East Carolina education professor and 9/11 scholar. "But there are a lot of crazies out there who purport that UFOs were involved. We don't want to be lumped in with those folks."
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First chapter of Illustrated Commission Report

This is amusing...
http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/9-11/
I find it horribly inappropriate.
Side note: any reason why it's available in the UK before the US?
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The Independent runs a piece on several family members of 9-11 victims and how they're coping. Mostly straightforward, but one of them has become a 9-11 Denier:

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Today, he has withdrawn from those groups, however, to concentrate on a project he expects to take up the rest of his life: documenting and writing about the conspiracy that he believes was really responsible for the felling of the twin towers.

"I spend all my time researching 9/11," he admits. "Today, there are no ifs or buts in my mind that this was an inside job. The US government orchestrated it with the help of MI6 and Pakistan and Mossad. What they are telling us is bull----. The hijackers were patsies and Osama bin Laden was set up."
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The San Francisco Chronicle runs a longish piece on the 9-11 Denial Movement:

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Some conspiracy theories are fantastical (CIA agents orchestrated the attacks; Israel planned them.) -- the epitome of preposterous beliefs that start with a conclusion and work backward to find evidence. Each new month brings a deluge of crackpot theories, but a growing number of people say there are too many improbabilities -- too many illogical holes -- in the government's version of what happened.
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An article from spiked uses Killtown as a prototypical CT:
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.p.../article/1604/

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Blaming previously unimaginable events on a sinister world elite somehow allows people to make sense of events, and to fill in a great void of doubt and uncertainty. Scepticism can be a good thing. But when it comes to the mad mythmaking about 9/11, it is worth remembering the words of the late American scientist Carl Sagan: ‘If your mind is too open, your brains fall out.
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