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High court to get 'Bong Hits 4 Jesus' case?

Mephisto

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No, really, and isn't that a great headline? :)

High court to get 'Bong Hits 4 Jesus' case?

POSTED: 11:14 a.m. EDT, August 30, 2006

JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) -- Former Whitewater special counsel Kenneth Starr petitioned the U.S. Supreme Court to take up Alaska's "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" case, a dispute involving a high school student, a banner and a tough school policy.

Starr, who gained national prominence while investigating former President Clinton's Whitewater land deal and relationship with Monica Lewinsky, filed the petition Monday on behalf of the Juneau School District in response to a March ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The appeals court sided with a high school student who displayed a banner reading "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" during an Olympic torch relay in 2002. It ruled former Juneau-Douglas High School principal Deborah Morse violated former student Joseph Frederick's free speech rights.

The U.S. Supreme Court petition must receive a minimum of four of the nine justices' votes to be heard.

Frederick, then a senior, was off school property when he hoisted the banner but was suspended for violating the school's policy of promoting illegal substances at a school-sanctioned event.

"The principal's actions were so outrageous, basically leaving school grounds and punishing a student for a message that is not damaging to the school," said his attorney, Doug Mertz.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/29/bonghits.4jesus.ap/index.html
 
What I find sad is that Kenneth Starr apparently has nothing better to do than to worry about this situation. I really hope that the Supreme Court tells him to get a life and take a hike.
 
Katana said:
What I find sad is that Kenneth Starr apparently has nothing better to do than to worry about this situation. I really hope that the Supreme Court tells him to get a life and take a hike.
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Ah, gone are the days when he used to captivate the GOP with tomes of soft-porn. ;)
 
Katana said:
What I find sad is that Kenneth Starr apparently has nothing better to do than to worry about this situation. I really hope that the Supreme Court tells him to get a life and take a hike.
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You are really optimistic about the USSC.

For some reason, this case scares me. With the new idiots they have there, I can imagine that they'd rule in favor of Ken Starr.

And then go golfing with him.
 
pgwenthold said:
You are really optimistic about the USSC.

For some reason, this case scares me. With the new idiots they have there, I can imagine that they'd rule in favor of Ken Starr.

And then go golfing with him.
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If I conveyed optimism in our current USSC, I did so unintentionally. I can only hope that it tells Starr to take a hike. I didn't say that I expected it to.
 
Katana said:
If I conveyed optimism in our current USSC, I did so unintentionally. I can only hope that it tells Starr to take a hike. I didn't say that I expected it to.
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This is one instance where the following saying is actually appropriate: I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.

Maybe I'm just getting cynical.
 
SCOTUS has agreed to hear the case.

[Suspended student] JOSEPH FREDERICK: I find it absurdly funny. I was not promoting drugs. I assumed most people would take it as a joke.
 
That official saying that the student's message (alleged) supported drug usage really pissed me off.

So what? If a citizen wants to repeal drug laws and says so that is within their First Amendment right. Sheesh, this is ridiculous.

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Mephisto said:
No, really, and isn't that a great headline? :)

High court to get 'Bong Hits 4 Jesus' case?

POSTED: 11:14 a.m. EDT, August 30, 2006

The U.S. Supreme Court petition must receive a minimum of four of the nine justices' votes to be heard.

"The principal's actions were so outrageous, basically leaving school grounds and punishing a student for a message that is not damaging to the school," said his attorney, Doug Mertz.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/29/bonghits.4jesus.ap/index.html
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We do not know whether or not Jesus smoked pot, hashish, tobacco, or other mixtures of stuff. I have no idea when pipe/hookah smoking began as a custom in the old world. (I am going to google smokes to check on this.)

It seems pretty certain that Jesus liked wine, so he may have enjoyed a good, mellow buzz to "get nearer, my God, to thee."

This guy's defense can be that he is of a sect that believes Jesus, like many Hebrews of his day, enjoyed a good stoning. :)

ETA: Whoops, that may be a bad defense. :(
http://www.hookahcompany.com/hookah_history.htm
The origins of the hookah come from the north western provinces of India along the border of Pakistan in Rajasthan and Gujarat nearly a millennia back [map]. These hookahs were simple, primitive, and rugged in design, usually made from a coconut shell base and tube with a head attached. They were designed to smoke opium [more], and hashish [more]. The hookah made its way through the Persian Kingdom [map], which also included Pakistan, Afghanistan, much of Middle Asia and Arab parts of Northern Africa
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However, there may be some hope:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_history_hashish.shtml
700 B.C. - 600 B.C. The Zoroastrian Zend-Avesta, an ancient Persian religious text of several hundred volumes, and said to have been written by Zarathustra (Zoroaster), refers to bhang as Zoroaster's "good narcotic" (Vendidad or The Law Against Demons) (link to zoroaster evidence? texts?)
700 B.C. - 300 B.C. Scythian tribes leave Cannabis seeds as offerings in royal tombs
500 B.C. Scythian couple die and are buried (at grave site in Pazryk, nothwest of the Tien Shan Mountains in modern-day Khazakstan) with two small tents covering censors. Attached to one tent stick was a decorated leather pouch containing wild Cannabis seeds. Unknown whether this was for purely ritual or also intoxicating use of Cannabis. (link to info about the discovery?)
430 B.C. Herodotus reports on both ritual and recreation use of Cannabis by the Scythians (Herodotus The Histories 430 B.C. trans. G. Rawlinson) (link)
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And with all the spices and herbs and incense running about in the Levant in Jesus' day, we get this confirmation . . .
100 B.C. - 0 A.D. The Pen Ts'ao mentions Cannabis for medical use
0 A.D. - 100 A.D. Construction of Samartian gold and glass paste stash box for storing hashish, coriander, or salt, buried in Siberian tomb
70 A.D. Dioscorides mentions the use of Cannabis as a medicament (Roman)
170 A.D. Galen alludes to the psychoactiity of Cannabis seed confections (Roman)
500 A.D. - 600 A.D. The Jewish Talmud mentions the euphoriant properties of Cannabis (Abel 1980
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DR
 
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It was not on school property. The school claims it was a "school sponsored event" because they dismissed school that day so students could attend, if they wished. The student in question did not go to school at all on the day of the event.

School let out so students could go if they wanted to. Did the school sponsor the event? I would think they would have had to been an official sponsor if they wanted to call it a school event, especially given that it was not on school grounds.

For example, if the local Kiwanis Club is having an event where students are allowed to attend, and school officials let them attend, does that make it a school activity? Not at all, they are being EXCUSED from school to attend this activity. OTOH, if the school says we are having a Jump Rope for Heart, being held at the local Kiwanis Club, and school is dismissed for you to attend if you want, then that would be a school activity, even if not on school property.

I think the school would be hard-pressed to claim that it is sponsoring the Olympic Torch run, though.
 
Darth Rotor said:
We do not know whether or not Jesus smoked pot, hashish, tobacco, or other mixtures of stuff.
DR
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Since tobacco is a New World plant, Jesus would have had to walk not just on a lake, but across oceans, to get it.

Would you walk a mile for a Camel? WWJD?
 
hgc said:
Since tobacco is a New World plant, Jesus would have had to walk not just on a lake, but across oceans, to get it.

Would you walk a mile for a Camel? WWJD?
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I checked on the history of tobacco. We can probably assert with a high degree of confidence that Jesus did not try to pass a Camel non filter through the eye of a needle, since tobacco was still confined to the New World in those days.

DR
 
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