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5stargeneral

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Hallo forum members.

I have been scouting you all out for the past month or two. I am a former senior ranking officer in NORAD. I can not give further details at this stage. I think I am correct in bringing my evidence here, because if I can convince skpetics about the truth behind the real 9/11 conspiracy, it may become disseminated to people who can actually get some truth in amongst the lies being perpetrated by 9/11 conspiracy theorists. What I have to say bears no relation to any "theory" but is cold, hard fact.

At the time of the 9/11 hijackings, I was off-duty but had been called back in to deal with another matter entirely and was not at my usual station. I will certainly breech my own standards by talking about this, but five years later, the pain has been too much to ignore and I must. I have the following questions, to which I have not been given satisfactory answers and it is as a result of the pressure to drop the questions which has led me to resign from my commission and a twenty-seven year career in service of my country. The only reason I am prepared to do this is because I am sure that the current adminstation has committed a vastly worse crime than this shall ever be.

1 What was in directive 163/AK/404, issued to flight controllers and security personnel at Dulles? The directive was issued secretly and only a very few people knew of its existence. I found out about it by chance when a long-serving friend from MI died recently. The directive was issued at 0600 on 9/11/01.

2 All publicly-available records note NORAD not being advised of the hijack until after 0925, if at all. I can advise that Major-General Larry Arnold took a call on his private cellphone - from an outside line - at 0857 on 9/11/01. What was this call? Why did he immediately leave a pre-arranged meeting upon receiving the call? Why did he leave the room before picking up the call? Major-General Arnold has never been known to do this before. Why did he immediately make a call to an unlisted cellphone number in Washington DC? Why does he deny making or receiving either call. How convenient is it that Major-General Arnold "lost" his personal cellphone the same afternoon?

3 Where is the missing Tomahawk missile? Upon audit on 8/3/01, a BGM-109 TLAM-C was found to be missing from inventory in ESG5. Why were auditors taken away that same afternoon to a "conference" from which they returned, never to mention the subject again? And there IS one unaccounted for. Why were the final figures changed to coincide with the new total held?

4 Why was Pentagon DSMAC information downloaded onto a hard-drive on 8/26/01?

Those are some of the facts I have in my possession about matters pertaining to 9/11/01. Opinion? First off, let me tell you what I believe. I believe that people in our Government knew about the plot to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings. I will not buy into theories which suggest that the Bush Administration organised the attacks, but I am convinced that they allowed the attacks. Let us start from here and see where it ends up.

Warmest Regards

5stargeneral
 
Have you spoken to the press or a lawyer about this or is a skeptics' forum your first port of call?

As this is a skeptics' forum, you will be expected to provide evidence to verify your claims, you realise that I hope?
 
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Sounds like a kid from the LC forums trying to be a wiseguy.

It sure does sound like that, but you can't make that assumption without allowing our new forum member a chance to prove his/her claims.
 
Those are some pretty strong claims. I eagerly await the evidence you have to support this.
 
Welcome to the forums, "General". We have been expecting you.

Sounds like a kid from the LC forums trying to be a wiseguy.

Yeah. For a NORAD official his spelling sure sucks.
 
it seems unusual to me that a military office would choose a username depicting a rank higher than his own
 
Those are some of the facts I have in my possession about matters pertaining to 9/11/01.

Exactly what in your post constitutes facts? I'm a pretty good writer, I could probability come up with some pretty cool sounding stuff too, none of it of course would be true.

And the one question I was left with is what on Earth would a missing cruise missile have to do with anything if the administration simply let the even happen instead of orchestrating it? Was it some sort of payment?
 
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2 All publicly-available records note NORAD not being advised of the hijack until after 0925, if at all. I can advise that Major-General Larry Arnold took a call on his private cellphone - from an outside line - at 0857 on 9/11/01. What was this call? Why did he immediately leave a pre-arranged meeting upon receiving the call? Why did he leave the room before picking up the call? Major-General Arnold has never been known to do this before. Why did he immediately make a call to an unlisted cellphone number in Washington DC? Why does he deny making or receiving either call. How convenient is it that Major-General Arnold "lost" his personal cellphone the same afternoon?

NEADS advised of hijacking: 08:37:52 source
Also stated on pg 20 http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/sec1.pdf

That aside. You fail to mention the timezone for the above times. Being in the military I would expect you to be using UTC, however, the east coast of the US is GMT-4 during EDT, which would make your times 0525 and 0457. Please clarify on this.

I will address other items once we have resolved this more basic errors.
 
Hi 5star and welcome to the forum.

I am curious, I suppose like the other guys why here? I mean where on earth did you hear about this forum? I just find it slightly strange you have this hard evidence that has been playing on your mind to the point where you actually resign over it.
You do this and present your evidence here?
Why no press conference, no television interview?

I note you feel the US allowed this to happen but have evidence a missile is missing, are these two incidents related? Do you believe a missile was used on 911?

Hey anyway, whatever your reasons for being here, welcome and I look forward to seeing your evidence.
 
Looks like the CIA already traced his IP and picked him off with a sniper.

*sigh*
 
Also, an internet forum is a very bad place to break this type of information. It will be highly tracable and your identity will be uncovered in short order. Let me reccommend collecting it all in a "hard" form, and getting in contact with a major news outlet. I'll provide one for you:

New York Times
Times Operator: (212) 556-7116
Times General Office: (212) 556-1234
229 W. 43rd Street
New York, NY 10036

If you have a good reason why this is the best possible place, I would love to hear it, though, but I can't help but think that no benefit, at all, could come from choose this venue for this type of revelation.
 
Have you spoken to the press or a lawyer about this or is a skeptics' forum your first port of call?

As this is a skeptics' forum, you will be expected to provide evidence to verify your claims, you realise that I hope?
Thank you ma'am, I am well aware of that. I have been watching various forums for some time as well as taking legal advise, but only in a very general (no pun intended) way as I do not wish to give identifiable details at this stage.
 
2 All publicly-available records note NORAD not being advised of the hijack until after 0925, if at all.
Uhm?

08:37:52 BOSTON CENTER: Hi. Boston Center T.M.U. [Traffic Management Unit], we have a problem here. We have a hijacked aircraft headed towards New York, and we need you guys to, we need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there, help us out.POWELL: Is this real-world or exercise?BOSTON CENTER: No, this is not an exercise, not a test.

09:03:17 ROUNTREE: They have a second possible hijack!

09:21:37 DOOLEY: Another hijack! It's headed towards Washington!NASYPANY: ****! Give me a location.UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. Third aircraft—hijacked—heading toward Washington.

09:21:50 NASYPANY: O.K. American Airlines is still airborne—11, the first guy. He's heading towards Washington. O.K., I think we need to scramble Langley right now. And I'm—I'm gonna take the fighters from Otis and try to chase this guy down if I can find him.
 
So when are you going to release the actual evidence? You do have evidence you plan on releasing to back up these claims, right?
 
Welcome to the forums, "General". We have been expecting you.

Yeah. For a NORAD official his spelling sure sucks.
Thank you for the welcome also.

I apologize for my "spelling". I should like to think of it as typing errors as my spelling is usually fine. I confess that my keyboard skills are a little weak - I have never been required to type a great deal in my career. I should also apologize in advance that I may not be able to come in on a daily basis to answer questions, but I shall return as I am able. I find it difficult to comprehend that so many people have posted so quickly, but I shall try to keep up with the flow. I did start this off to discuss the questions and I just ask for a little forebearance if my keyboard skills and available time do not keep up with the replies.
 
1 What was in directive 163/AK/404, issued to flight controllers and security personnel at Dulles? The directive was issued secretly and only a very few people knew of its existence. I found out about it by chance when a long-serving friend from MI died recently. The directive was issued at 0600 on 9/11/01.
If you yourself don't even know what is in it, how can you call it evidence for government complicity?
2 I can advise that Major-General Larry Arnold took a call on his private cellphone - from an outside line - at 0857 on 9/11/01. What was this call? Why did he immediately leave a pre-arranged meeting upon receiving the call? Why did he leave the room before picking up the call? Major-General Arnold has never been known to do this before. Why did he immediately make a call to an unlisted cellphone number in Washington DC? Why does he deny making or receiving either call. How convenient is it that Major-General Arnold "lost" his personal cellphone the same afternoon?
A man getting a call and losing his phone. Now, how is that evidence of government complicity?
3 Where is the missing Tomahawk missile? Upon audit on 8/3/01, a BGM-109 TLAM-C was found to be missing from inventory in ESG5. Why were auditors taken away that same afternoon to a "conference" from which they returned, never to mention the subject again? And there IS one unaccounted for. Why were the final figures changed to coincide with the new total held?
If the auditors never mentioned it, how do you know about it? And what is the relevance of a missing tomahawk to 9/11?
4 Why was Pentagon DSMAC information downloaded onto a hard-drive on 8/26/01?
I don't know, but what is the relevance to 9/11?
 
Thank you for the welcome also.

I apologize for my "spelling". I should like to think of it as typing errors as my spelling is usually fine. I confess that my keyboard skills are a little weak - I have never been required to type a great deal in my career. I should also apologize in advance that I may not be able to come in on a daily basis to answer questions, but I shall return as I am able. I find it difficult to comprehend that so many people have posted so quickly, but I shall try to keep up with the flow. I did start this off to discuss the questions and I just ask for a little forebearance if my keyboard skills and available time do not keep up with the replies.

Sir, with all due respect, the time you used up in this post would have been much better spent beginning to provide some evidence of your most extraordinary claims.
 
See this is the problem 5star and I hope you can see the reason behind the level of sceptism.

You come here with what you claim to be hard evidence and start tantalising people with it. You know the carrot and stick type stuff.

So why don't you just show us your evidence.
 
I am an admirer of General Dwight Eisenhower and was intending to utilize a photo of him as my avatar, but I cannot.

I'm impressed by the fact that you even knew what an "avatar" was given your limited experience with computers and, I assume by extension, the internet.

You must pick these things up quickly.
 
In your first post on the JREF (here) you said you had been checking us out for 6 months. Why did you change it to 1-2 months in your original post of this thread?

Howdy.

I was not a Five Star General, or indeed even a general. I am a former senior officer at NORAD and have decided to post on this forum after having spent the past 6 months or so checking you all out.

Hallo forum members.

I have been scouting you all out for the past month or two. I am a former senior ranking officer in NORAD.
 
"EXTRA! EXTRA! NAMELESS INTERNET GUY SEZ 'BUSH DID IT'"

Hoo hoo, the presses are gonna be working overtime tonight.
 
This is to Arkan Wolfshade - I have been unable to use the reply button as I cannot repeat your urls.

You are quite correct about use of Zulu. Most civilian papers I have seen have used local time, so I did that. I am happy to change to Z if you like.

Also, another error - Point 3 relates solely to Flight 77 and no other. I accept your points regarding other flights.
 
Hey Come on guys, this is a senior military officer you are talking to. Surely we should all just take him at his word. After all senior military men always hang out at this forum and play guessing games about secret info, don't they?

So I guess with the new book and all, Bob Woodward was too busy to take the calls huh 5star?

And as for the missing tomahawk.... well we all know what I think happened to that.
 
Lauro Chavez already came out of the 9/11 closet on Alex Jones' show, so, I think not.
 
Can you at least clarify if there is going to be actual hard evidence coming, at some point? Or whether or not your "admissions", above, are supposed to be the extent of the information coming?
 
Welcome, 5star

In my experience, it is unusual for someone to alternate between British and American spellings. Most people consistently use one or the other.

Yet, in your posts, you have used the British spelling for "organised" and the American spelling for "utilize" and "apologize".

Curious, that.
 
Sounds like a kid from the LC forums trying to be a wiseguy.

Sounds more like someone who just got done watching Donald Sutherland's riveting portrayal of "Mr. X" in the movie JFK.

I guess we'll just have to wait for something a bit more tangible from Mr. 5star.
 
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Wait a minute now.

You're suspecting that a tomahawk missile was stolen because it was to be used for the attacks, yet you don't think the bush administration was the responsible party? Bit of a contradictory statement there, buddy. Unless you think members of al-qaeda broke into the top secret military facility and stole the missile which, I think, is highly unlikely.

But I did read several reports about the mossad/israeli organized crime unit's alter ego "art students" being arrested after the FBI caught them snooping around the top secret military facility.
 
Welcome, 5star

In my experience, it is unusual for someone to alternate between British and American spellings. Most people consistently use one or the other.

Yet, in your posts, you have used the British spelling for "organised" and the American spelling for "utilize" and "apologize".

Curious, that.

To be fair, I do this quite a bit, too.

I tend to spell the "ise/ize" words the American way and words like color/colour the British/Australian way.
 

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