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Long time lurker first time poster. Theres a guy on an irish forum, claiming this
He then links to here
graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html
Add the http etc
Anyone have a solid rebuttal or do I need to wade through the PDFs?
Hey you guys do an excellent job Gravy I'll be over in new york next year and plan on being at ground zero on a saturday just to buy you a pint.
ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER STEPHEN GREGORY Interview Date: October 3, 2001
In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.
Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?
A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too.
CAPTAIN KARIN DESHORE Interview Date: November 7, 2001
Whatever this explosion was simply sucked all the oxygen out of the air.
Somewhere around the middle of the world trade center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building. I went inside and I told everybody that the other building or there was an explosion occurring up there and I said I think we have another major explosion…
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER THOMAS FlTZPATRlCK Interview Date: October 1, 2001
We looked up at the building straight up, we were that close. All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up. Some people thought it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that. I remember seeing, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. I assume now that that was either windows starting to collapse like tinsel or something. Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.
FDNY recall "detonations" in South Tower on 9/11:
fireman2: We made it outside, we made it about a block.
fireman1: We made it at least 2 blocks.
fireman2: 2 blocks.
fireman1: and we started runnin'
fireman2: poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch
fireman1: Floor by floor it started poppin' out ..
fireman2: It was as if as if they had detonated, det..
fireman1: yea detonated yea
fireman2: as if they had planned to take down a building,
boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom ...
fireman1: All the way down, I was watchin it, and runnin'
FIREFIGHTER EDWARD CACHIA Interview Date: December 6, 2001
As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.
PARAMEDIC DANIEL RIVERA Interview Date: OCTOBER 10 2001
It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear “pop, pop, pop, pop, pop”? That’s exactly what -- because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that’s when I saw the building coming down.
FIREFIGHTER KENNETH ROGERS Interview Date: December 10, 2001
then there was an explosion in the south tower, which according to this map, this exposure just blew out in flames. A lot of guys left at that point. I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.
LIEUTENANT GEORGE J. DeSIMONE Interview Date: October 22, 2001
The next thing I know, we heard a little bit of a rumbling, and then white powder came from the first collapsed building. I thought it was an explosion initially.
After that, I still thought it was an explosion.
I don't think we understood the magnitude of what was going on. I was fearful that there were bombs in the building. That was my first thought, being the military kind of guy that I am.
FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY JULIAN Interview Date: December 26, 2001
right when we got to the corner of Washington and Albany, that’s when I heard the building collapse. First I thought it was an explosion. I thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane, but delayed type of thing, you know, secondary device. I was convinced for a week it was secondary devices. … You know, and I just heard like an explosion and a then a cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down…
LIEUTENANT ROBERT DORRITIE Interview Date: December 11, 2001
we were deciding which way to go into the south tower. That's when I looked up, and the tower started coming down, which at the time I said I thought it was a secondary device. I had warned the guys about secondary devices on the way down and to be careful of that.
FIRE MARSHAL JOHN COYLE Interview Date: December 28, 2001
The tower was -- it looked to me – I thought it was exploding, actually. That’s what I thought for hours afterwards, that it had exploded or the plane or there had been some device on the plane that had exploded, because the debris from the tower had shot out far over our heads. It was raining down.
While I was down at Battery Park, I finally got through on my phone to my father and said, “I’m alive. I just wanted to tell you, go to church, I’m alive. I just so narrowly escaped this thing.” He said, “where were you? You were there?” I said, “yeah, I was right there when it blew up.” He said, “you were there when the planes hit?” I said, “no, I was there when it exploded, the building exploded.” He said, “you mean, when it fell down?” I said, “no, when it exploded.” I still didn’t realized what had happened. I totally thought it had been blown up. That’s just the perspective of looking up at it, it seemed to have exploded out. But that I guess was the force of the upper stories collapsing down.
BATTALION CHIEF DOMINICK DeRUBBIO Interview Date: October 12, 2001
It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other.
ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER JAMES DRURY Interview Date: October 16, 2001
We were in the process of getting some rigs moved when I turned, as I heard a tremendous roar, explosion, and saw that the first of the two towers was starting to come down.
That was the north tower now coming down. I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building. Obviously we were later proved wrong.
As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall.
LIEUTENANT GREGG HANSSON Interview Date: October 9, 2001
Then a large explosion took place. In my estimation that was the tower coming down, but at that time I did not know what that was. I thought some type of bomb had gone off.
FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM REYNOLDS Interview Date: December 11, 2001
After a while, and I don't know how long it was, I was distracted by a large explosion from the south tower and it seemed like fire was shooting out a couple of hundred feet in each direction, then all of a sudden the top of the tower started coming down in a pancake. …
Q. … where was the fire? Like up at the upper levels where it started collapsing?
A. It appeared somewhere below that. Maybe twenty floors below the impact area of the plane.
So we kind of just all were walking around dazed and I ran into a Battalion Chief. I don't know who he was. I said to him, I said, "Chief, they're evacuating the other building; right?" … Before the north tower fell. He said, "No." I said, "Why not? They blew up the other one." I thought they blew it up with a bomb. I said, "If they blew up the one, you know they're gonna blow up the other one." He said, "No, they're not." I said, "Well, you gotta tell them to evacuate it, because it's gonna fall down and you gotta get the guys out."
FIREFIGHTER THOMAS TURILLI Interview Date: January 17, 2002
sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind gust just came.
FIREFIGHTER KEITH MURPHY Interview Date: December 5, 2001
I had heard right before the lights went out, I had heard distant boom boom boom, sounded like three explosions. I don’t know what it was. At the time, I would have said they sounded like bombs, but it was boom boom boom and then the lights all go out.
EMT MICHAEL OBER Interview Date: October 16, 2001
Then we heard a rumble, some twisting metal, we looked up in the air, and to be totally honest, at first, I don’t know exactly…but it looked to me just like an explosion. It didn’t look like the building was coming down, it looked like just one floor had blown completely outside of it. I was sitting there looking at it. I just never thought they would ever come down, so I didn’t think they were coming down.
LIEUTENANT NEIL BROSNAN Interview Date: December 12, 2001
Actually the explosion came in through those doors and came up behind the way I had come in. And I realized that, that the explosion came from the way had just left.
They observed the explosion and the hallway disappeared. They thought the hallway blew up where I had come from.
FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BANACISKI Interview Date: December 6, 2001
We were there I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.
CHIEF STEVE GRABHER Interview Date: December 6, 2001
Just as I go out of the building, one of my guys says hey Captain, the building is coming down. I looked over my shoulder and you could see the whole top of the south tower leaning towards us. It looked like it was coming over. You could see the windows pop out just like in the picture, looked like a movie. I saw one floor of windows pop out, like poof, poof. I saw one and a half floors pop out. It looked almost like an explosion. The whole top was teetering, and I really thought just the top of the building was falling off.
FIREFIGHTER CHRISTOPHER FENYO Interview Date: December 11, 2001
There was an explosion at the top of the Trade Center and a piece of Trade Center flew across the West Side Highway and hit the Financial Center.
About a couple minutes after George came back to me is when the south tower from our perspective exploded from about midway up the building.
At that point a debate began to rage because the perception was that the building looked like it had been taken out with charges. We had really no concept of the damage on the east side of 2 World Trade Center at that point, and at that point many people had felt that possibly explosives had taken out 2 World Trade…
All these people risked their lives that day, but when they tell us of their experiences why do so many still write them all off as being simply mistaken?
He then links to here
graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html
Add the http etc
Anyone have a solid rebuttal or do I need to wade through the PDFs?
Hey you guys do an excellent job Gravy I'll be over in new york next year and plan on being at ground zero on a saturday just to buy you a pint.
