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John Lennon's death

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This has been confirmed to me by James Richards, a researcher of the Kennedy Assassination and an expert on the Cuban Exiles. In the Bay of Pigs, many anti-Castro Cubans died or were taken prisoner. A man named San Jenis was a survivor. The Cuban exiles now wanted to kill Kennedy for not providing air cover and because if Castro could be blamed for assassinating President Kennedy, that would make the United States retaliate and the Exiles could get their old Cuba back. The Mob was in on this too. They made a lot of money from those casinos.

Later, San Jenis went by the name Jose Perdomos. The CIA kept him on to do "jobs" after the Assassination. This is what Mr. Richards confirmed for me. On the night John Lennon was killed, the same Jose Perdomos was a special security guard assigned to aid Lennon in entering the Dakota, where he lived. Sometimes Lennon would be mobbed. So on the night John Lennon was killed, Perdomos didn't do his job for Lennon. When Lennon was shot, Perdomos was said to ask the creep, "Do you know what you did?" And the bastard said, "I just shot John Lennon." The creep -- I can't bear to hear or say his name -- was a "Manchurian Candidate." One Lennon website says the creep didn't shoot at Lennon at all. Lennon's autopsy reveals he was shot from the left side. I believe 4 bullets entered his body. The creep was on the right side of the entrance. This was the work of the CIA. They had a man hiding in the darkened entranceway or darkened freight elevator. That's how Lennon was shot.

Why would the CIA want to kill John Lennon? He was funding a dangerous radical leftist group. He was very popular and considered by the FBI and Intel in general as subversive. They shut him up and blamed it on that bastard.

Ironically, it was Lennon who helped us forget Kennedy's murder 17 years prior.

kc440
 
As a side note I read That Jhon's last words were "NO! You want Yoko! She's the one that broke up the Bea....:duck:
 
kc440, please provide credible evidence that what you say is true, regarding the specific circumstances of the shooting. Thanks.
 
I vaguely remember Perot said that he dropped out of the presidential race because a State Trooper that supported him broke the conspiracy of silence and told him that if he kept running the same Cubans the CIA used to kill JFK and RFK would kill him.

Or something. Perot said lots of crazy things.
 
From what I've read, JL was investigated by the FBI (IIRC) in 1974 when he was trying to move to the US. The feds concluded that while he talked about revolution and associated himself with people like Abby Hoffman etc, he was too stoned most of the time to be any kind of threat.
By the time of his murder by Mark Chapman, he had been living in NY for five years or so in semi retirement. He had just released a mediocre album and was re-entering the public spotlight.

As for which side he was shot: Lennon had walked past Chapman and turned to face him when he was shot.

I'll check this, but I think Perdomos was actually the Doorman at the Dakota.
 
Brainache said:
As for which side he was shot: Lennon had walked past Chapman and turned to face him when he was shot.
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ETA: Correction -- I posted that Chapman shot Lennon as he signed a copy of Double Fantasy. That was incorrect. Chapman had gotten Lennon to sign the record earlier in the day.
 
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Piggy is everywhere but the thread I started on the cool ( if doubtful) finsrud machine...... as far as this thread goes.... Puleeeze!
 
Hi, Topspy. I have checked out the Finsrud thread. Interesting and fun stuff. I just had nothing to add there. Seemed like everyone else had covered the bases.

As for Lennon, I remember vividly the day he was shot. I had just gotten out of the shower when my brother told me through the bathroom door. I didn't believe him.

Then I listened to the radio. We were all total Beatles freaks, me and my friends, at that time, listening to our older brothers' LPs.

I was in 8th grade. That morning I was going to English class when my teacher, Mrs. Stein, saw me in the hallway, and she shook her head as she approached me and said, "I'm sorry".

So yeah, this thread caught my eye.

Cheers. -Piggy
 
Piggy said:
Hi, Topspy. I have checked out the Finsrud thread. Interesting and fun stuff. I just had nothing to add there. Seemed like everyone else had covered the bases.

As for Lennon, I remember vividly the day he was shot. I had just gotten out of the shower when my brother told me through the bathroom door. I didn't believe him.

Then I listened to the radio. We were all total Beatles freaks, me and my friends, at that time, listening to our older brothers' LPs.

I was in 8th grade. That morning I was going to English class when my teacher, Mrs. Stein, saw me in the hallway, and she shook her head as she approached me and said, "I'm sorry".

So yeah, this thread caught my eye.

Cheers. -Piggy
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Where were you located geographically at the time, piggy?
 
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Piggy said:
Hi, Topspy. I have checked out the Finsrud thread. Interesting and fun stuff. I just had nothing to add there. Seemed like everyone else had covered the bases.

As for Lennon, I remember vividly the day he was shot. I had just gotten out of the shower when my brother told me through the bathroom door. I didn't believe him.

Then I listened to the radio. We were all total Beatles freaks, me and my friends, at that time, listening to our older brothers' LPs.

I was in 8th grade. That morning I was going to English class when my teacher, Mrs. Stein, saw me in the hallway, and she shook her head as she approached me and said, "I'm sorry".

So yeah, this thread caught my eye.

Cheers. -Piggy
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I was 16 at the time. A huge Beatles fan and I was totally shocked by his death.

BTW the FBI had about 300 pages of info on JL compiled in the early seventies and late sixties according to the book "Come Together- John Lennon In His Time" by Jon Wiener. An interesting read if you want to get some info on the man and his politics.
 
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A little milltown in Georgia, between Atlanta and Macon. Why?
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Just asking because it seemed odd to me that you'd describe this as something that happened in the morning (showering, going to school, etc.) unless you were in another time zone, since it happened in the evening in NY, not in the morning.

I guess you just didn't hear about it until the next day, despite the fact that you and your friends were all "total beatles freaks" and despite the fact that this was so well known, apparently, in your elementary school that a teacher would approach you, at what, age 12 or 13, and say "I'm sorry" in the hallway.

Yeah, okay.

Got it.
 
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kc440_ said:
This has been confirmed to me by James Richards, a researcher of the Kennedy Assassination and an expert on the Cuban Exiles.
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Aha. I see the obvious mistake in the OP. He means James (aka Jim)Morrison, not James Richards.
 
Redtail said:
As a side note I read That Jhon's last words were "NO! You want Yoko! She's the one that broke up the Bea....:duck:
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I wish that was true, and am not ashamed of admitting it. Everyone I contacted when it came over the news, said the same thing: "They should have shot her."

kc440
 
kc440_ said:
This has been confirmed to me by James Richards, a researcher of the Kennedy Assassination and an expert on the Cuban Exiles.
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I personally have never heard of James Richards, so I don't know how credible a source he is.
However, all your information about "Jose Perdomos" seems to come from James Richards. So did he comfirm it for you or tell it to you?

kc440_ said:
Ironically, it was Lennon who helped us forget Kennedy's murder 17 years prior.

kc440
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Who is this "Kennedy" you speak of?

I didn't make us forget about it! If anything it reminded us of it.

When the Columbia was destroyed on re-entry, I thought about the Challenger disaster almost twenty years before.

When Regan was shot I thought about the Lennon shooting.

My father tells me of how when MLKjr. and RFK were killed people thought about when JFK was shot.

When my grand-uncle was alive he told me how the Kennedy assassination reminded him of when FDR died.
 
To be fair, I think Kc was referring to The Beatles first appearences in the US in 1963 which according to some helped take the nation's mind off the recent tragedy.

All that - I wanna hold your hand and She Love You - mop top hysteria helped people get over Kennedy apparently.
 
LashL said:
Just asking because it seemed odd to me that you'd describe this as something that happened in the morning (showering, going to school, etc.) unless you were in another time zone, since it happened in the evening in NY, not in the morning.

I guess you just didn't hear about it until the next day, despite the fact that you and your friends were all "total beatles freaks" and despite the fact that this was so well known, apparently, in your elementary school that a teacher would approach you, at what, age 12 or 13, and say "I'm sorry" in the hallway.

Yeah, okay.

Got it.
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Huh?

Seems totally plausible to me. An eight grader might have been in bed by the time the news hit Speedbump, Georgia.
 
I Googled James Richards-Lennon assassination and the only on-topic article that came up was on an anti-semitic website that promotes the notion that Kennedy was assassinated by Israel with help from what they call "secret Jew" Lyndon Johnson.


I need to go take a shower now.
 
Umm kc440 where is that link you mentioned?

And the murder of John Lennon was not a conspiracy. It was the act of a fudamentalist nutjob with a Beatles fixation.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Huh?

Seems totally plausible to me. An eight grader might have been in bed by the time the news hit Speedbump, Georgia.
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Sure, okay, the kid might have gone to bed early. (But the timing issue you raise is a bit suspect - the news hit Speedbump, Ontario, Canada, pretty quickly and I can't imagine that it didn't hit Speedbump - insert city, state, whatever, here- equally quickly)

I don't know anyone who was an 8th grader John Lennon fanatic at the time of his death, admittedly, so I don't know what time they went to bed, but 8th graders around here typically do not go to bed before 2200 or so. That said, this particular ~13 year old John Lennon fan might have been an "early to bed" kind of kid, who knows? In any event, he's here so he can tell us himself.

Still, the whole story sounds suspect to me. Just my opinion, obviously. But an elementary school teacher seeing a kid in the morning and immediately saying "I'm sorry" because the teacher knows that the kid is a John Lennon fan ~ sorry, it sounds strange to me.

I'll be happy to modify my opinion and my position if and when evidence to the contrary is presented, of course.

It just sounds like a bouncy silly tale at first instance.
 
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yodaluver28 said:
I Googled James Richards-Lennon assassination and the only on-topic article that came up was on an anti-semitic website that promotes the notion that Kennedy was assassinated by Israel with help from what they call "secret Jew" Lyndon Johnson.


I need to go take a shower now.
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I believe that was rumored by an ex-colleague about Mr. Richards, which he catagorically denies and wants no part of.

kc440
 
kc440_ said:
I just found the site. Here's the link. Scroll down till you see red letters saying, Who Really Killed John Lennon? I had a hard time finding the site. :mad:

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/lennon_report.htm

kc440
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Kc you have to be one of the most gullible people I have ever seen if you give that site any credence at all. What a load of absolute codswallop.

He suggests Edward Teller was resposible~!

He says it was J Edgar Hoover's FBI hit squad.

He says it was the doorman.

He says it was the Genovese crime family.

He manages to tie it in with the Tate- La Bianca murders.

About the only person he says wasn't involved was Mark David Chapman. You know the guy who owned the gun. The guy who told people he was going to kill John Lennon. The guy who was hanging around after the killing reading "Catcher In The Rye". The guy who confessed and never recanted.

In short: "Dude, that's retarded".
 
LashL said:
Sure, okay.

I don't know any 8th grader John Lennon fanatics, admittedly, so I don't know what time they went to bed, but, sorry, the whole story sounds like nonsense to me.

Just my opinion, obviously. But teachers in the hallway acknowledging and deferring to the 8th grader kid's "grief" in the morning (because he was allegedly well known as a Lennon fanatic) ... I think not.
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I've read enough of Piggy's posts that I sincerely doubt he'd have any reason to make up something so innocuous. If you're not clear on the timing, Lennon was shot at about 11 PM. The first news reports hit us in NYC within about 20 minutes, but I can imagine that it didn't spread across the country quite so rapidly. We didn't have a CNN world at that time, and if Piggy's family was not wont to watch the 11 PM news, they may have learned it only the next morning.

Again, seems totally plausible, especially having noted Piggy's command of the language and that he said that the teacher approached him "that morning". So, yeah, I'd say it's very conceivable the he would've learned it in the morning. (I got calls from my in-laws in Montreal in the morning - they live out in Lac Des Deux Montagnes, but work in the city, so go to bed early 'cuz they get up at 6... They also learned of it on the morning news.)

I'm an older dude, but IIRC there's always been a fairly large Beatle Revival movement as an undercurrent to pop culture. There was a show that ran on Broadway for a couple of years right around then, it was well known enough that SNL even stole their tag line from the TV commercial. "Not The Beatles but an Incredible Re-enactment!" The show was called Beatlemania.
 
I was a total Lennon/Beatles fanatic from about age ten (1974) I find nothing to question in Piggy's post. Given that he was probably a rare specimen at his school in "SpeedBump" Georgia, I can believe a teacher taking an interest in him.
 
I was 18 at the time, in university, and I remember the radio being on and the exact words spoken, "John Lennon has been shot ... and killed" and I remember being blown away by the last two words, which I didn't expect at all. I wasn't a huge Lennon or Beatles fan at the time, but I was stunned and shocked by it nonetheless. I remember the shock and unexpected angst I felt, and I remember the exact location that I was at when I heard it. Funny how that works, even when you're not a big fan.

And as I said above, if piggy's story is accurate, I'll gladly modify my opinion of his story. But, you know, it was 25 years ago, so describing it today as "I remember the day it happened" and talking about it as though it was morning still sounds wrong to me, since the then 13 year old is now almost 40. But I take your point that a then 13 year old might not have heard about it until the next morning.

If it’s true, I will gladly apologize for being skeptical of it, but it just didn't ring true to me at first blush. Perhaps I'm just so used to people making things up so often (happens every day in my line of work) that I have a hard time believing bouncy tales at first blush.
 
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Brainache said:
To be fair, I think Kc was referring to The Beatles first appearences in the US in 1963 which according to some helped take the nation's mind off the recent tragedy.
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That would be difficult, since the first appearance of the Beatles in the US happened on Feb 7th, 1964.
 
Brainache said:
Kc you have to be one of the most gullible people I have ever seen if you give that site any credence at all. What a load of absolute codswallop.

He suggests Edward Teller was resposible~!

He says it was J Edgar Hoover's FBI hit squad.

He says it was the doorman.

He says it was the Genovese crime family.

He manages to tie it in with the Tate- La Bianca murders.

About the only person he says wasn't involved was Mark David Chapman. You know the guy who owned the gun. The guy who told people he was going to kill John Lennon. The guy who was hanging around after the killing reading "Catcher In The Rye". The guy who confessed and never recanted.

In short: "Dude, that's retarded".
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And, like any proper paranoid conspiracy theorist, he has a thing about the JOOS.

And Napoleon. Kinda says it all, don't it?
 
What possible reason would Piggy have to lie?

Unless... he was part of the conspiracy, of course.

Let's see, Piggy takes his name from The Lord of the Flies, the novel. The actual Lord of the Flies is Beelzebub, the devil. The devil is a figure in Christian mythology. There's a Christian musician named Steven Curtis Chapman. Chapman, Chapman... sounds familiar... ? Oh yeah, Mark David Chapman shot John Lennon.

Piggy, j'accuse!
 
The Atheist said:
Beatles and conspiracy in the same thread?

You missed one, kc440:[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_1037745308838bd5c4.jpg[/qimg]
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Ya know, I'd have to say that long before we started getting good debunkings of JFK CT, the thing that turned me away from the dark side was the "Paul is Dead" CT, which had about a ten day lifespan. 18 years old and too much marijuana and time on one's hands will do that to you, I guess, but we just ate up the clues and had it been 2003, I'm sure we would've been photo-shopping and pixel-ating the issue to death.
Whoa, man, like the Walrus was Paul! And in Norse mythology the walrus is like the symbol of death, ya know.
Hey check out Abby Road. Paul's barefoot on the cover and in Indian funerals Indians are barefoot.

Our big cultural buzz back in the 60's was to have FM radio and I'll never forget the midnight to 6 a.m. guy on WBAI, taking phone calls and pushing the conspiracy for about four hours, because he was so sick of the Howard Stern type call-ins... "Howard, you Rock, Man!"..... He had people soaking their album covers (John Wesley Hardin' was the target for some reason), to remove the picture on the front and find the hidden text behind it. And they were doing it!

Finally, about four in the morning he just started chewing the listeners out for being so gullible. Nothing like ridicule by a local icon to wake you up in a hurry. :woowoo

That's why I still support the Krassner school of debate with CT believers. Ridicule them - make 'em feel really childish and make it clear they'll never again get laid, too! (What hottie wants to go home with the guy who's got fourteen people laughing at his idiotic beliefs?)

(ETA: Pay no attention to the smilies - I'm just testing a bunch of the new ones to see what they look like in threads.)
 
And George has no pants on in this shot. Meaning he did it?

Wait, that's not George.
 

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