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Old 16th October 2006, 06:24 PM   #1
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My offical Welcome to Pilots Forum

I see Lisa closed that other thread so let me say here my invitation still stands. Anyone is welcome..

We do have a good mod team. We welcome the rational people here who want civilized debate. We will keep debating to the debate forum. You do not have to ask permission to post. We will ban trolls or anon proxies.

We hope you will join us in trying to get answers.


This is not about LC or 9/11 Truth. This is about the families and our constitution.

Flame away for those uncivilized.. welcome to you who are civil.

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Old 16th October 2006, 06:28 PM   #2
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I will lurk from time to time, Robb, but just as I do not haunt Physics or Engineering Forums, I will not likely join Pilots, as I have no expertese in the field. I am sure the lack of expertese is not an issue for you, but it is for me. I find lurking allows me to observe, learn, while not getting into it with anyone (a big reason why I never joined LC Forum).

However, should you wish to discuss issues of 9/11 of a generic or logical nature, I frequent this forum, as you can tell, quite often...after hours,,,lol

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Old 16th October 2006, 06:29 PM   #3
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{Off topic} So that's your bike huh? You ever post at the V-twin Forums?

ETA Yes that came out of nowhere but the thought just struck me.
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Old 16th October 2006, 06:34 PM   #4
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Forgive me if I am skeptical of a former LC admin that frequently banned people for disagreeing with him and someone who has lied about who they are on this forum to garner attention when they say "Anyone is welcome."

Time will tell, however, if Rob is being honest about his invitation.
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Old 16th October 2006, 06:34 PM   #5
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Yeah. Let me know when you pilots decide to become interested in the truth and act like adults and talk to some eyewitnesses and investigators. Let me know then, okay? I'll be right over.

A summary of evidence that AA flight 77 hit the Pentagon (FDR-related links not included here: you're aware of those.)

First, an important message from someone who was at the Pentagon on 9/11. Please take it to heart. http://tinyurl.com/f4ykj

Firefighter Alan Wallace’s account: http://tinyurl.com/p6gmm

“We discovered cockpit wreckage at our feet while attempting to rescue people from a Navy operations area.”
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon..._20020316.html

“Shaeffer stood on a service road that circled the Pentagon between the B and C rings. A chunk of the 757's nose cone and front landing gear lay on the pavement a few feet away, resting against the B Ring wall.” http://www.hamptonroads.com/pilotonl...pentagon3.html

More first-person accounts: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699/ http://tinyurl.com/h4zaa

There were dozens of eyewitnesses accounts to the crash. Note that many of these witnesses specifically mention seeing a huge American Airlines jet hit the Pentagon.
http://tinyurl.com/ksnb9
http://tinyurl.com/ojcwl

Longer video clips from the Pentagon parking lot cameras: http://tinyurl.com/gwqob

“Summary Presentation of damage to Pentagon and location of bodies found inside.“ (PC download) http://tinyurl.com/juld8

Summary of Flight 77 depicting the identity of pilots and flight attendants, seat assignments of passen-gers, and seats from which telephone calls were made: http://tinyurl.com/qus34

More on the phone calls, from the 9/11 Commission Report: http://tinyurl.com/onttz

Of course, for anyone interested in the damage to the Pentagon, the ASCE's Pentagon Building Per-formance Report is essential reading: http://tinyurl.com/o4px6 From page 35: "The width of the severe damage to the west facade of the Pentagon was approximately 120 ft (from column lines 8 to 20).

The hole made by flight 77 extends along the wing line left, and especially, right, of the fuselage hole. It is not a cookie-cutter hole: that simply cannot happen with a reinforced concrete building. Note in the following picture the total destruction of masonry and the reinforced columns broken and bent in the direction of impact : http://tinyurl.com/q67lv

Numerous photos of interior damage in this report: http://www.aesvn.org/resources/Pentagon-Shoring.pdf

No debris on the lawn? That couldn't be less true. Why don't CTs show these photos?
http://tinyurl.com/nowok http://tinyurl.com/rklbc http://tinyurl.com/oa7zx http://tinyurl.com/s9hgl http://tinyurl.com/necvb Many debris photos at 911myths.com: http://tinyurl.com/lzcrd

Here’s the account of the C-130 pilot who saw both the flight 77 attack and the aftermath of flight 93? http://tinyurl.com/l98un

Photos from witness Steve Riskus, seconds after the crash (he gives his contact info, but be nice: he gets a lot of email): http://tinyurl.com/nuqzq

The remains of every flight 77 victim but one (a two-year-old) was recovered and positively identified by forensics experts. Personal effects of many survived the crash and fires and were returned to the victims' families. Articles on Pentagon disaster morgue operations and victim identification: http://tinyurl.com/qqkul and http://tinyurl.com/h2kn

As for the question, "Where are all those Pentagon video cameras?" the answer is that the Pentagon uses live security – human beings – for its perimeter security. (Since 9/11 more cameras may have been installed. I don’t have information on that.) Here's a post on the BAUT forum from a Pentagon employee who was there on 9/11. http://tinyurl.com/gxvvd

An excerpt: "Why isn't there more video? Without telling too much of what I know of Pentagon security, you would be suprised how few cam-eras there are outside the building. Humans actively patrolling a building's perimeter are a tad more effective than dozens of monitors which may or may not be watched at any given moment."

A brief look at the "A missile hit the Pentagon" theory:
1) No missile was seen or heard by anyone. All eyewitnesses report a passenger jet crash.
2) No missile debris was found.
3) Missiles do not carry thousands of gallons of jet fuel.
4) Missiles do not carry the remains and personal belingings of flight 77 passengers.
5) Missiles do not carry tons of 757 debris.
6) In the diagram linked below, the yellow dots indicate the broken light poles. The red line indicates the path a missile would have to take in order to knock them over. Or, the missile would have to have a wingspan of over 100 feet. The Tomahawk Cruise missile that LC suggests hit the Pentagon has a wingspan of 8 feet 9 inches (2.67 m). Light pole diagram: http://tinyurl.com/jemr9

An examination of numerous Pentagon/flight 77 questions at 9/11myths.com: http://tinyurl.com/z434u

A detailed examination of the Jet engine pieces found at the Pentagon: http://tinyurl.com/gy2zl

What about missile defenses at the Pentagon? There were none. Some people may recall that on 9/11/02, portable missile batteries were placed near the Pentagon in case of an “anniversary attack.” In his book Against All Enemies, Richard Clarke writes,

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The Secret Service and Customs had teamed up in Atlanta to provide some rudimentary air defense against an aircraft flying into the Olympic Stadium. They did so again during the subsequent National Security Special Events and they agreed to create a permanent air defense unit to protect Washington.

Unfortunately, those two federal law enforcement agencies were housed in the Treasury Department and its leadership did not want to pay for such a mission or run the liability risks of shooting down the wrong aircraft. Treasury nixed the air defense unit, and my at-tempts within the White House to overfule them came to naught.

The idea of aircraft attacking in Washington seemed remote to many people and the risks of shooting down aircraft in a city were thought to be far too high. Moreover, the oppo-nents of our plan argued, the Air Force could always scramble fighter aircraft to protect Washington if there were a problem. On occasions when aircraft were hijacked (and in one case when we erroneously believed a Northwest flight had been seized), the Air Force did intercept the airliners with fighter jets. We succeeded only in getting Secret Service the permission to continue to examine air defense options, including the possibil-ity of placing missile units near the White House. Most people who heard about our ef-forts to create some air defense system in case terrorists tried to fly aircraft into the Capitol, the White House, or the Pentagon simply thought we were nuts.
The Pentagon is only about 4,000 feet from, and almost directly in line with, one of the runways at Ronald Reagan International Airport.
And how about the hundreds of first responders and investigators who were on the scene the first day? Have you attempted to contact any of the 8,000 people who were on the scene after the crash? Here are a few suggestions for contacts:

the Pentagon 3-person Crash Response Team
the Arlington County Fire Department
the Arlington County Sheriff's Department
Arlington County Emergency Medical Services
the Arlington, VA Police Department
Fairfax County Fire & Rescue
Montgomery County Fire & Rescue
Alexandria, VA Fire & Rescue
District of Columbia Fire & Rescue
the Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit
the Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team
the Fort Myer Fire Department
the Arlington County SWAT Team
the Virginia State Police,
the FBI's Evidence Recovery Teams
the National Transportation Safety Board Investigators
American Airlines representatives
the HHS National Medical Response Team
the Pentagon security staff
the DOD Honor Guard
the Pentagon Medical Unit
the Pentagon Defense Protective Service
Four U.S. Army Chaplains
One Catholic Priest (Stephen McGraw)
the FBI Hazmat Team
the EPA Hazmat Team
the FEMA Incident Support Team
the FEMA Emergency Response Team
the FEMA Disaster Field Office
the FEMA Virginia-1, Virginia-2, Maryland-1 and Tennessee-1 Task Forces
the US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach, Fairfax County and Montgomery County
the National Naval Medical Center CCRF
Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams
the Virginia Department of Emergency Management
the U.S. Army 54th Quartermaster Company Mortuary Staff
the U.S. Army 311th Quartermaster Company Mortuary Staff
the U.S. Armed Forces Institute of Pathology
the American Red Cross
the United States Secret Service
the C-130H crew

For more information on first responders to the Pentagon attack, see the “Arlington County After-Action report on the response to the September 11 terrorist attack on the Pentagon" http://tinyurl.com/pmlda

September 11 Online Memorial:The Pentagon: http://tinyurl.com/ezov4

When will the "Pilots for Truth" be speaking with any of these people?
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Old 16th October 2006, 06:37 PM   #6
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{Off topic} So that's your bike huh? You ever post at the V-twin Forums?

ETA Yes that came out of nowhere but the thought just struck me.

Yeah. .thats my bike.. i had to sell it unfortunately when FLYI went under and i started having health problems. I miss it alot.. along with flying. Never been to V Twin.. only Harley Zone.

But i'll get another.. hopefully.. one day. I sold that bike to a Comair Capt.

It was almost as fun and as free as flying (almost). It was my first bike. (aside from mopeds when i was a kid.. anyone rememer the Yamaha 50? lol)
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Old 16th October 2006, 06:40 PM   #7
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anyone rememer the Yamaha 50? lol)
YZ 80 was my first...O' the days! Took the baffle out, reeeeee...reeeee!
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Old 16th October 2006, 06:41 PM   #8
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Yeah. Let me know when you pilots decide to become interested in the truth and act like adults and talk to some eyewitnesses and investigators. Let me know then, okay? I'll be right over.

A summary of evidence that AA flight 77 hit the Pentagon (FDR-related links not included here: you're aware of those.)
Yeah Mark... i am aware of what the official story says. .you dont have to remind me...

Unless of course you have a clear video of an American Airlines 757 hitting the pentagon?
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Old 16th October 2006, 06:42 PM   #9
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YZ 80 was my first...O' the days! Took the baffle out, reeeeee...reeeee!

lol.. i did the same thing... and release the governor... got it up to 45.. woo hoo!
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Old 16th October 2006, 06:43 PM   #10
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Yeah Mark... i am aware of what the official story says. .you dont have to remind me...

Unless of course you have a clear video of an American Airlines 757 hitting the pentagon?
The official story? How about the official story of the witnesses, the victims, the first responders, chief? When do you plan to talk to them, huh? When?

An airliner once crashed two blocks from my home. There are no photos or videos of it crashing.

How do we know it crashed?

I look forward to your reply.



ETA: because you've had a long day of posting and your reading comprehension may be faltering:

First, an important message from someone who was at the Pentagon on 9/11. Please take it to heart.
http://tinyurl.com/f4ykj

Firefighter Alan Wallace’s account: http://tinyurl.com/p6gmm

“We discovered cockpit wreckage at our feet while attempting to rescue people from a Navy operations area.” http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon..._20020316.html

“Shaeffer stood on a service road that circled the Pentagon between the B and C rings. A chunk of the 757's nose cone and front landing gear lay on the pavement a few feet away, resting against the B Ring wall.” http://www.hamptonroads.com/pilotonl...pentagon3.html

More first-person accounts: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699/ http://tinyurl.com/h4zaa

There were dozens of eyewitnesses accounts to the crash. Note that many of these witnesses specifically mention seeing a huge American Airlines jet hit the Pentagon.
http://tinyurl.com/ksnb9

http://tinyurl.com/ojcwl
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Unless of course you have a clear video of an American Airlines 757 hitting the pentagon?
Why do you need a picture soo bad?
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I see Lisa closed that other thread so let me say here my invitation still stands. Anyone is welcome..

We do have a good mod team. We welcome the rational people here who want civilized debate. We will keep debating to the debate forum. You do not have to ask permission to post. We will ban trolls or anon proxies.

We hope you will join us in trying to get answers.


This is not about LC or 9/11 Truth. This is about the families and our constitution.

Flame away for those uncivilized.. welcome to you who are civil.

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Hi Rob. Why did you ban Billzilla?
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No gov on mine. Texas and all, but yeah!
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Hi Rob. Why did you ban Billzilla?
Because pilots aren't allowed there.
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Yeah. .thats my bike.. i had to sell it unfortunately when FLYI went under and i started having health problems. I miss it alot.. along with flying. Never been to V Twin.. only Harley Zone.

But i'll get another.. hopefully.. one day. I sold that bike to a Comair Capt.

It was almost as fun and as free as flying (almost). It was my first bike. (aside from mopeds when i was a kid.. anyone rememer the Yamaha 50? lol)
Lol I had Dirtbikes in my neck of the woods a moped ment you'd gotten a DWI so we stayed away from them. I ride a Victory Vegas now and Just brought my fiancee a Sportster. I hate you had to sell it man Godspeed on getting another one.
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I checked a few message on my phone and look what happens to this thread... lol


RedTail.. does that have anythnig to do with NWA? Or Tuskegee perhaps?

Sportster is a fine machine.. one of our pilots had a 1200 and put over 20k into it.. awesome scoot.

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Yeah Mark... i am aware of what the official story says. .you dont have to remind me...

Unless of course you have a clear video of an American Airlines 757 hitting the pentagon?
haha

that's like finding a dog bone, a dog dish that says "fifi", a bag of dog food, a litter of puppies, a dog house, a dog brush covered in dog hair, certified papers form the AKA where a dog was registered, and a dog bed which says "fifi" covered in the same kind of hair from the brush, and a lot of people standing around saying, "Hey, there was a dog here about 5 minutes ago"...

And then sticking your hands over your eyes and saying "I DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF A DOG! WHERE'S THE VIDEO?!"
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Anyone is welcome.
Given your history at LC, I read that as "Anyone who agrees with me is welcome."

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We do have a good mod team.
Given your history as a moderator, I read that as "I will ban anyone who disagrees with me, after I edit their posts, read their private messages, and call them names."

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We welcome the rational people here who want civilized debate.
Given your history, I read that as "I welcome those who agree with me and will humour those who don't for a little while as I work on getting some traffic to my site now that I've successfully helped my old hangout at LC implode."

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We will ban trolls or anon proxies.
Given your history, I read that as "I will ban anyone who disagrees with me, and anyone whose IP I cannot track even though I am a hypocrite who insists on my own anonymity while simultaneously posting via sockpuppets myself."

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Given your history, I read that as "I hope you will drive some traffic to my site so that more people can see me and other troofers disparage the dead, the survivors, the families of the deceased, and everyone else who lost loved ones in the attacks, while I accuse thousands of people of complicity in mass murder without a single shred of proof or evidence."

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That's for sure. Especially the part about it not being about truth.

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This is about the families and our constitution.
Given your history, I read that as "I'm lying again."

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Not flaming, just calling it like I see it. Your reputation precedes you. And it is not flattering in the least.

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It seems some people are here are not familiar with the idea or notion of this...

http://www.ucc.org/gifs/olivedove2.jpg

For those of you that are.. i thank you.

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Originally Posted by weedwacker View Post
I checked a few message on my phone and look what happens to this thread... lol


RedTail.. does that have anythnig to do with NWA? Or Tuskegee perhaps?

Sportster is a fine machine.. one of our pilots had a 1200 and put over 20k into it.. awesome scoot.
We may disagree about 9/11 but good eye! My adopted Grandfather (Meaning he lived down the street form my Grandfather, and they were good friends and I liked him so I adopted him) was a member of the 332nd Fighter Group.

Also I'm planning a paint job on my Vegas to honor the Military members of my Family with the bike painted like a Redtail Mustang P-51 with the insignia of their (and my) units in place of the white star (The one that's on USAF Aircraft) on the Gas Tank.

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It seems some people are here are not familiar with the idea or notion of this...

http://www.ucc.org/gifs/olivedove2.jpg

For those of you that are.. i thank you.
Keep your goddamn olive branch until you decide to talk to the people who were involved at the Pentagon, Captain.

There were dozens of eyewitnesses accounts to the crash. Note that many of these witnesses specifically mention seeing a huge American Airlines jet hit the Pentagon.
http://tinyurl.com/ksnb9

http://tinyurl.com/ojcwl

When will you be speaking with them?


Ready for your answer, Captain:

An airliner once crashed two blocks from my home. There are no photos or videos of it crashing.

How do we know it crashed?


I look forward to your reply.
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We may disagree about 9/11 but good eye! My adopted Grandfather (Meaning he lived down the street form my Grandfather, and they were good friends and I liked him so I adopted him) was a member of the 332nd Fighter Group.
that sent chills up my spine when i read that. . you and i need to talk...



as a side note.. i will get to all your PM's for those that PMed me.. im having enough trouble keeping up with the board right now.. including my own board and the phone.
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I see Lisa closed that other thread so let me say here my invitation still stands. Anyone is welcome..

We do have a good mod team. We welcome the rational people here who want civilized debate. We will keep debating to the debate forum. You do not have to ask permission to post. We will ban trolls or anon proxies.

We hope you will join us in trying to get answers.


This is not about LC or 9/11 Truth. This is about the families and our constitution.

Flame away for those uncivilized.. welcome to you who are civil.

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Considering you've already maligned me and my credibility solely because of the particular internet server that I choose to post on, speaks volume to me about your credibility.

I'm more than happy to post my criticisms of your analysis here. I do my best to keep up to date with whatever your current theory du jour is, so don't worry.
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Keep your goddamn olive branch until you decide to talk to the people who were involved at the Pentagon, Captain.

We had a team recently in DC talking to many eyewitnesses. Im only one person. But our full report will be coming out. Keep your pants on Mark.
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Show the folks what you're made of and answer my questions, Captain.
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On Flight 77

Just my two cents in case nobody noticed:

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Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
From here.
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Old 16th October 2006, 07:10 PM   #27
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We had a team recently in DC talking to many eyewitnesses. Im only one person. But our full report will be coming out. Keep your pants on Mark.
An airliner once crashed two blocks from my home, Captain. There are no photos or videos of it crashing.

How do we know it crashed, oh Pilot for Truth?
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Old 16th October 2006, 07:11 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by Anti-sophist View Post
Considering you've already maligned me and my credibility solely because of the particular internet server that I choose to post on, speaks volume to me about your credibility.

I'm more than happy to post my criticisms of your analysis here. I do my best to keep up to date with whatever your current theory du jour is, so don't worry. I won't be going anywhere, and you'll know where to find the debunking of it.
I didnt ban you from LC.. matter of fact, i havent banned anyone from there for awhile.. I think Daniels banned you.

As for your credibility.. i have no reason to believe you arent who you say you are.. but it appears you do have alot of errors in your interpretation. Once the report is out regarding your claims.. .we will post it. Im not a computer expert.. i can only interpret data and trends as it is applied to aviation. Its fine some of you think im not who i say i am.. but you'd be wise to wait before passing judgement.
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Old 16th October 2006, 07:12 PM   #29
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that sent chills up my spine when i read that. . you and i need to talk...
Cool, I have to log for now because my Fiancee needs the comp but, we can go through PM's and I'll come over to your site.
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Old 16th October 2006, 07:13 PM   #30
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An airliner once crashed two blocks from my home, Captain. There are no photos or videos of it crashing.

How do we know it crashed, oh Pilot for Truth?

Gravy.. any time you want to wipe off that chip on your shoulder.. i'll be happy to address some of your questions. I understand you may be very angry with me for my remarks.. but i have apologized.. perhaps a cool down period for you and me might be in order?
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Old 16th October 2006, 07:14 PM   #31
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Unless of course you have a clear video of an American Airlines 757 hitting the pentagon?
Asserting an event did not happen because it was not captured on video is somewhat silly.

But then again you would then argue an event other than the one that is believed to have happened was captured. The said videos were then confiscated by the perpetrators of the alternative event.

See the problem here is, it is all good and well saying this but realistically, video evidence is not really that important
IMO here. Because the event was done in broad day light in front of potentially hundreds of eyewitnesses. All it would have taken for this alternative event to have been uncovered right from day one was for it to have been captured by anyone of these witnesses on a handheld video recorder.

I mean think about it Rob, you plan something down to the last detail and then rely totally on something which is out of your control for it to succeed. This relies heavily on chance for it to succeed.

Just imagine the media reporting live that a plane had hit the Pentagon only for some Joe Public to pop up and say “Well actually a missile hit it and I captured it all on video". That's one heck of a chance to take wouldn't you say?
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Cool, I have to log for now because my Fiancee needs the comp but, we can go through PM's and I'll come over to your site.

Defintely stop by RedTail.. i'd love to hear some stories from your grandpa through you. I have ALOT of respect for the RedTails.
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Old 16th October 2006, 07:16 PM   #33
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It seems some people are here are not familiar with the idea or notion of this
Everyone here is well aware of what an olive branch is, doe/wacker/etal, but most people also know that many an "olive branch" has been offered without sincerity.

In my opinion, based on your words here up to and including an hour ago, and based on your your actions up to and including last night in your former sandbox called LC, you are here only because you suddenly find yourself without a big enough sandbox to play in and you wish to bring some legitimacy to your fledgling site; thus, I believe that your "olive branch" is without sincerity.

Just a few short hours ago, you were making rude, obscene, and wholly inappropriate sexual comments to a moderator here, while posing using a sockpuppet which you denied repeatedly (before slipping and saying that you had also posted here last night) and you have shown yourself repeatedly to be incapable of carrying on a legitimate debate or respectful discussion with anyone who disagrees with a single thing you say.

So, no, I'm inclined to believe you now, and I am certainly not inclined to add to your website statistics.
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Thats fine LashL.. whatever you want to do...
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There is no harm in allowing things to play out. And certainly, as long as both parties keep to it, civility is the way to approach all things.

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As for your credibility.. i have no reason to believe you arent who you say you are..
But you have reasons to attack my integrity? You've accused me of things, based on no evidence -- apparently based on a vapid generalization you've made about the people who frequent this message board.

I've been nothing but cordial to everyone involved, at all levels. I'm given my analysis, and am yet to see any serious objections raised. Virtually all of the objects raised, thus far, have been based entirely on misunderstandings that are easily corrected.

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but it appears you do have alot of errors in your interpretation.
Once the report is out regarding your claims.. .we will post it. Im not a computer expert.. i can only interpret data and trends as it is applied to aviation.
You don't need to write a report. If there are errors, I will correct them. Just tell me what they are. Or, better yet, have whoever is analyzing it talk with my directly. I'm happy to fix it.

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Its fine some of you think im not who i say i am.. but you'd be wise to wait before passing judgement.
I have no reason to disbelieve you. Credentials mean little to me. Analysis means everything. Credentials only matter when they are used in place of analysis. If you start telling me that something is true, without proof, based upon your credentials.. I'll start to question them. Until then, I could honestly care less about your real life or your profession.
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Lets just say... one can tell who the professionals are here...

(and no.. im not talking about Shills.. im talking about those that are in a profession)
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Lets just say... one can tell who the professionals are here...

(and no.. im not talking about Shills.. im talking about those that are in a profession)
I wouldn't dare to confuse your intent in this post. Could you clarify what you mean?
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TAM is definitely a professional (and a few others i have seen). I'll leave it at that..
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Old 16th October 2006, 08:22 PM   #40
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I didnt ban you from LC.. matter of fact, i havent banned anyone from there for awhile..
You banned me, just about three weeks ago. I was posting under the name "kikapurider," and was always honest and respectful.
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