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My offical Welcome to Pilots Forum
I see Lisa closed that other thread so let me say here my invitation still stands. Anyone is welcome..
We do have a good mod team. We welcome the rational people here who want civilized debate. We will keep debating to the debate forum. You do not have to ask permission to post. We will ban trolls or anon proxies. We hope you will join us in trying to get answers. This is not about LC or 9/11 Truth. This is about the families and our constitution. Flame away for those uncivilized.. welcome to you who are civil. http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_Fo...ex.php?act=idx Rob "JDX" |
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I will lurk from time to time, Robb, but just as I do not haunt Physics or Engineering Forums, I will not likely join Pilots, as I have no expertese in the field. I am sure the lack of expertese is not an issue for you, but it is for me. I find lurking allows me to observe, learn, while not getting into it with anyone (a big reason why I never joined LC Forum).
However, should you wish to discuss issues of 9/11 of a generic or logical nature, I frequent this forum, as you can tell, quite often...after hours,,,lol TAM |
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{Off topic} So that's your bike huh? You ever post at the V-twin Forums?
ETA Yes that came out of nowhere but the thought just struck me. |
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Forgive me if I am skeptical of a former LC admin that frequently banned people for disagreeing with him and someone who has lied about who they are on this forum to garner attention when they say "Anyone is welcome."
Time will tell, however, if Rob is being honest about his invitation. |
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Yeah. Let me know when you pilots decide to become interested in the truth and act like adults and talk to some eyewitnesses and investigators. Let me know then, okay? I'll be right over.
A summary of evidence that AA flight 77 hit the Pentagon (FDR-related links not included here: you're aware of those.) First, an important message from someone who was at the Pentagon on 9/11. Please take it to heart. http://tinyurl.com/f4ykj Firefighter Alan Wallace’s account: http://tinyurl.com/p6gmm “We discovered cockpit wreckage at our feet while attempting to rescue people from a Navy operations area.” http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon..._20020316.html “Shaeffer stood on a service road that circled the Pentagon between the B and C rings. A chunk of the 757's nose cone and front landing gear lay on the pavement a few feet away, resting against the B Ring wall.” http://www.hamptonroads.com/pilotonl...pentagon3.html More first-person accounts: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699/ http://tinyurl.com/h4zaa There were dozens of eyewitnesses accounts to the crash. Note that many of these witnesses specifically mention seeing a huge American Airlines jet hit the Pentagon. http://tinyurl.com/ksnb9 http://tinyurl.com/ojcwl Longer video clips from the Pentagon parking lot cameras: http://tinyurl.com/gwqob “Summary Presentation of damage to Pentagon and location of bodies found inside.“ (PC download) http://tinyurl.com/juld8 Summary of Flight 77 depicting the identity of pilots and flight attendants, seat assignments of passen-gers, and seats from which telephone calls were made: http://tinyurl.com/qus34 More on the phone calls, from the 9/11 Commission Report: http://tinyurl.com/onttz Of course, for anyone interested in the damage to the Pentagon, the ASCE's Pentagon Building Per-formance Report is essential reading: http://tinyurl.com/o4px6 From page 35: "The width of the severe damage to the west facade of the Pentagon was approximately 120 ft (from column lines 8 to 20). The hole made by flight 77 extends along the wing line left, and especially, right, of the fuselage hole. It is not a cookie-cutter hole: that simply cannot happen with a reinforced concrete building. Note in the following picture the total destruction of masonry and the reinforced columns broken and bent in the direction of impact : http://tinyurl.com/q67lv Numerous photos of interior damage in this report: http://www.aesvn.org/resources/Pentagon-Shoring.pdf No debris on the lawn? That couldn't be less true. Why don't CTs show these photos? http://tinyurl.com/nowok http://tinyurl.com/rklbc http://tinyurl.com/oa7zx http://tinyurl.com/s9hgl http://tinyurl.com/necvb Many debris photos at 911myths.com: http://tinyurl.com/lzcrd Here’s the account of the C-130 pilot who saw both the flight 77 attack and the aftermath of flight 93? http://tinyurl.com/l98un Photos from witness Steve Riskus, seconds after the crash (he gives his contact info, but be nice: he gets a lot of email): http://tinyurl.com/nuqzq The remains of every flight 77 victim but one (a two-year-old) was recovered and positively identified by forensics experts. Personal effects of many survived the crash and fires and were returned to the victims' families. Articles on Pentagon disaster morgue operations and victim identification: http://tinyurl.com/qqkul and http://tinyurl.com/h2kn As for the question, "Where are all those Pentagon video cameras?" the answer is that the Pentagon uses live security – human beings – for its perimeter security. (Since 9/11 more cameras may have been installed. I don’t have information on that.) Here's a post on the BAUT forum from a Pentagon employee who was there on 9/11. http://tinyurl.com/gxvvd An excerpt: "Why isn't there more video? Without telling too much of what I know of Pentagon security, you would be suprised how few cam-eras there are outside the building. Humans actively patrolling a building's perimeter are a tad more effective than dozens of monitors which may or may not be watched at any given moment." A brief look at the "A missile hit the Pentagon" theory: 1) No missile was seen or heard by anyone. All eyewitnesses report a passenger jet crash. 2) No missile debris was found. 3) Missiles do not carry thousands of gallons of jet fuel. 4) Missiles do not carry the remains and personal belingings of flight 77 passengers. 5) Missiles do not carry tons of 757 debris. 6) In the diagram linked below, the yellow dots indicate the broken light poles. The red line indicates the path a missile would have to take in order to knock them over. Or, the missile would have to have a wingspan of over 100 feet. The Tomahawk Cruise missile that LC suggests hit the Pentagon has a wingspan of 8 feet 9 inches (2.67 m). Light pole diagram: http://tinyurl.com/jemr9 An examination of numerous Pentagon/flight 77 questions at 9/11myths.com: http://tinyurl.com/z434u A detailed examination of the Jet engine pieces found at the Pentagon: http://tinyurl.com/gy2zl What about missile defenses at the Pentagon? There were none. Some people may recall that on 9/11/02, portable missile batteries were placed near the Pentagon in case of an “anniversary attack.” In his book Against All Enemies, Richard Clarke writes,
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the Pentagon 3-person Crash Response Team the Arlington County Fire Department the Arlington County Sheriff's Department Arlington County Emergency Medical Services the Arlington, VA Police Department Fairfax County Fire & Rescue Montgomery County Fire & Rescue Alexandria, VA Fire & Rescue District of Columbia Fire & Rescue the Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit the Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team the Fort Myer Fire Department the Arlington County SWAT Team the Virginia State Police, the FBI's Evidence Recovery Teams the National Transportation Safety Board Investigators American Airlines representatives the HHS National Medical Response Team the Pentagon security staff the DOD Honor Guard the Pentagon Medical Unit the Pentagon Defense Protective Service Four U.S. Army Chaplains One Catholic Priest (Stephen McGraw) the FBI Hazmat Team the EPA Hazmat Team the FEMA Incident Support Team the FEMA Emergency Response Team the FEMA Disaster Field Office the FEMA Virginia-1, Virginia-2, Maryland-1 and Tennessee-1 Task Forces the US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach, Fairfax County and Montgomery County the National Naval Medical Center CCRF Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams the Virginia Department of Emergency Management the U.S. Army 54th Quartermaster Company Mortuary Staff the U.S. Army 311th Quartermaster Company Mortuary Staff the U.S. Armed Forces Institute of Pathology the American Red Cross the United States Secret Service the C-130H crew For more information on first responders to the Pentagon attack, see the “Arlington County After-Action report on the response to the September 11 terrorist attack on the Pentagon" http://tinyurl.com/pmlda September 11 Online Memorial:The Pentagon: http://tinyurl.com/ezov4 When will the "Pilots for Truth" be speaking with any of these people? |
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Yeah. .thats my bike.. i had to sell it unfortunately when FLYI went under and i started having health problems. I miss it alot.. along with flying. Never been to V Twin.. only Harley Zone. But i'll get another.. hopefully.. one day. I sold that bike to a Comair Capt. It was almost as fun and as free as flying (almost). It was my first bike. (aside from mopeds when i was a kid.. anyone rememer the Yamaha 50? lol) |
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The official story? How about the official story of the witnesses, the victims, the first responders, chief? When do you plan to talk to them, huh? When?
An airliner once crashed two blocks from my home. There are no photos or videos of it crashing. How do we know it crashed? I look forward to your reply. ETA: because you've had a long day of posting and your reading comprehension may be faltering: First, an important message from someone who was at the Pentagon on 9/11. Please take it to heart. http://tinyurl.com/f4ykj Firefighter Alan Wallace’s account: http://tinyurl.com/p6gmm “We discovered cockpit wreckage at our feet while attempting to rescue people from a Navy operations area.” http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon..._20020316.html “Shaeffer stood on a service road that circled the Pentagon between the B and C rings. A chunk of the 757's nose cone and front landing gear lay on the pavement a few feet away, resting against the B Ring wall.” http://www.hamptonroads.com/pilotonl...pentagon3.html More first-person accounts: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699/ http://tinyurl.com/h4zaa There were dozens of eyewitnesses accounts to the crash. Note that many of these witnesses specifically mention seeing a huge American Airlines jet hit the Pentagon. http://tinyurl.com/ksnb9 http://tinyurl.com/ojcwl |
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I checked a few message on my phone and look what happens to this thread... lol
RedTail.. does that have anythnig to do with NWA? Or Tuskegee perhaps? Sportster is a fine machine.. one of our pilots had a 1200 and put over 20k into it.. awesome scoot. |
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haha
that's like finding a dog bone, a dog dish that says "fifi", a bag of dog food, a litter of puppies, a dog house, a dog brush covered in dog hair, certified papers form the AKA where a dog was registered, and a dog bed which says "fifi" covered in the same kind of hair from the brush, and a lot of people standing around saying, "Hey, there was a dog here about 5 minutes ago"... And then sticking your hands over your eyes and saying "I DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF A DOG! WHERE'S THE VIDEO?!" |
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Given your history at LC, I read that as "Anyone who agrees with me is welcome."
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It seems some people are here are not familiar with the idea or notion of this...
http://www.ucc.org/gifs/olivedove2.jpg For those of you that are.. i thank you. |
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![]() Also I'm planning a paint job on my Vegas to honor the Military members of my Family with the bike painted like a Redtail Mustang P-51 with the insignia of their (and my) units in place of the white star (The one that's on USAF Aircraft) on the Gas Tank. |
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Keep your goddamn olive branch until you decide to talk to the people who were involved at the Pentagon, Captain.
There were dozens of eyewitnesses accounts to the crash. Note that many of these witnesses specifically mention seeing a huge American Airlines jet hit the Pentagon. http://tinyurl.com/ksnb9 http://tinyurl.com/ojcwl When will you be speaking with them? Ready for your answer, Captain: An airliner once crashed two blocks from my home. There are no photos or videos of it crashing. How do we know it crashed? I look forward to your reply. |
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Considering you've already maligned me and my credibility solely because of the particular internet server that I choose to post on, speaks volume to me about your credibility.
I'm more than happy to post my criticisms of your analysis here. I do my best to keep up to date with whatever your current theory du jour is, so don't worry. |
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Show the folks what you're made of and answer my questions, Captain.
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I didnt ban you from LC.. matter of fact, i havent banned anyone from there for awhile.. I think Daniels banned you.
As for your credibility.. i have no reason to believe you arent who you say you are.. but it appears you do have alot of errors in your interpretation. Once the report is out regarding your claims.. .we will post it. Im not a computer expert.. i can only interpret data and trends as it is applied to aviation. Its fine some of you think im not who i say i am.. but you'd be wise to wait before passing judgement. |
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Asserting an event did not happen because it was not captured on video is somewhat silly.
But then again you would then argue an event other than the one that is believed to have happened was captured. The said videos were then confiscated by the perpetrators of the alternative event. See the problem here is, it is all good and well saying this but realistically, video evidence is not really that important IMO here. Because the event was done in broad day light in front of potentially hundreds of eyewitnesses. All it would have taken for this alternative event to have been uncovered right from day one was for it to have been captured by anyone of these witnesses on a handheld video recorder. I mean think about it Rob, you plan something down to the last detail and then rely totally on something which is out of your control for it to succeed. This relies heavily on chance for it to succeed. Just imagine the media reporting live that a plane had hit the Pentagon only for some Joe Public to pop up and say “Well actually a missile hit it and I captured it all on video". That's one heck of a chance to take wouldn't you say? |
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In my opinion, based on your words here up to and including an hour ago, and based on your your actions up to and including last night in your former sandbox called LC, you are here only because you suddenly find yourself without a big enough sandbox to play in and you wish to bring some legitimacy to your fledgling site; thus, I believe that your "olive branch" is without sincerity. Just a few short hours ago, you were making rude, obscene, and wholly inappropriate sexual comments to a moderator here, while posing using a sockpuppet which you denied repeatedly (before slipping and saying that you had also posted here last night) and you have shown yourself repeatedly to be incapable of carrying on a legitimate debate or respectful discussion with anyone who disagrees with a single thing you say. So, no, I'm inclined to believe you now, and I am certainly not inclined to add to your website statistics. |
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Thats fine LashL.. whatever you want to do...
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There is no harm in allowing things to play out. And certainly, as long as both parties keep to it, civility is the way to approach all things.
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I've been nothing but cordial to everyone involved, at all levels. I'm given my analysis, and am yet to see any serious objections raised. Virtually all of the objects raised, thus far, have been based entirely on misunderstandings that are easily corrected.
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Lets just say... one can tell who the professionals are here...
(and no.. im not talking about Shills.. im talking about those that are in a profession) |
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TAM is definitely a professional (and a few others i have seen). I'll leave it at that..
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