Sentinel (Paul Isaac Jr) Saw 20-story gash & leaning at WTC 7

[Gravy]

From the comments section in this infamous article about Korey Rowe:

Quote:

(snip)
Now, I don’t know if thios is true but I noticed that my statements are no longer posted. So I’ll go over it again. I was present at vicinity of BWY and Park Row when the secontower was hit. I was ther at proximity to see the 20 floor gash in WTC 7. The WTC building was listing south about 20 degrees. Regarding my current status with the FDNY I am civil Defense volunteer not paid civil servant. We fall under the NYS Emergency Defense Act orf 1951. I am trained as watchstander FWD Sigint. I monitor NY/NJ/LI transpotation First Responder Communications as well as transportation and security networks. The FDNY is political as all other NYC agencies and has its ups and downs...

Sentinel
(snip)

ETA: I assume that in the quote above he means that he was present when the second tower collapsed, not when it was hit. In another comment on the same page he says

Quote:

I was present at BWY and Park Row when the second tower collapsed. I ran from 42st back to the trade center. I passed the trade cented on my way to work on the N&R lines at courtland st (WTC) after the second tower S/T was reported by the passengers who rushed the train I was on.
I ran back because E10 L10 Liberty st was my former quarters 98-99. As I reached BWY & Park Row the second tower collapsed. I then made my way to the tower location after the cloud disapated and began with the bucket brigade. I had my scanner but there were problems coordinating full spectrum awareness on the scene. I was then transported to west st and w.houston to work with the above people around 1600hrs. I operated GZ/The pile/The pit for approx 3/4 weeks till the Volunteers were removed.

[uk_dave]

Oh christ...... now I don't believe that wtc7 was damaged at all.

Thanks alot.....

[Oliver]

He saw the damage at WTC7 but still believes that
these and the fire couldn´t bring down number seven?
Instead he involves the pope, hitler and judas??????

Hello? Anybody out there?

[T.A.M.]

I am not sure Paul even knows what he truely believes. The only thing that seems certain, is that he mistrusts the USG and the NYC officials.

TAM

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

I am not sure Paul even knows what he truely believes. The only thing that seems certain, is that he mistrusts the USG and the NYC officials.

TAM

I guess he is confused because the death of his brother and it´s his
way to process his emotions? (like many CT´ists do)

[Shades_of_Grey]

I'm not sure I saw any mention of the Pope, Hitler or Judas in that report.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by Shades_of_Grey

I'm not sure I saw any mention of the Pope, Hitler or Judas in that report.

Read this one...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ad.php?t=67005

[Brainster]

I'm inclined to cut Paul some slack. Unlike most of the Deniers, he shows respect for the families and despises the Loose Change guys and the Wing TV nuts. Yeah, he's a CTer and occasionally abusive and not the greatest at expressing himself in writing. But I get the feeling he's sincere in his beliefs.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by Brainster

I'm inclined to cut Paul some slack. Unlike most of the Deniers, he shows respect for the families and despises the Loose Change guys and the Wing TV nuts. Yeah, he's a CTer and occasionally abusive and not the greatest at expressing himself in writing. But I get the feeling he's sincere in his beliefs.

But what are his believes? I see no connection from judas to 9/11.
It´s senseless to me... Nothing personal against him...

[rwguinn]

Originally Posted by Brainster

I'm inclined to cut Paul some slack. Unlike most of the Deniers, he shows respect for the families and despises the Loose Change guys and the Wing TV nuts. Yeah, he's a CTer and occasionally abusive and not the greatest at expressing himself in writing. But I get the feeling he's sincere in his beliefs.

And that is a positive factor in what way?

Hitler was sincere in his beliefs
W is sincere in his beliefs
Hillary is sincere in her beliefs
Sadam was sincere in his beliefs
Ted Kennedy---er, nevermind...

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by rwguinn

And that is a positive factor in what way?

Hitler was sincere in his beliefs
W is sincere in his beliefs
Hillary is sincere in her beliefs
Sadam was sincere in his beliefs
Ted Kennedy---er, nevermind...

Well, if i didn´t misunderstand it - he
lost his brother in one of the towers.
I see no reason to make fun about it.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Well, if i didn´t misunderstand it - he
lost his brother in one of the towers.
I see no reason to make fun about it.

Would that not be brothers? As in the 343 firefighters?

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by Bell

Would that not be brothers? As in the 343 firefighters?

I don´t know for sure. Did he lost his own brother
or some firefighter-brothers in there???

[Bell]

Could Gravy or someone else please clarify Paul's issue with 9/11? Why does he believe there's a conspiracy? I asked him 3 times, but no answer alas.

[Alt+F4]

"I was present at BWY and Park Row when the second tower collapsed. I ran from 42st back to the trade center."

That doesn't make sense. Bdwy & Park Row is no where near 42nd street and it would take a very, very long time to run from 42nd Street to the WTC.

[Shades_of_Grey]

Originally Posted by uk_dave

Oh christ...... now I don't believe that wtc7 was damaged at all.

Thanks alot.....

Thats what I was thinking. You cant dismiss this mans claims about 9/11 but then opt to believe his story about the gash and leaning because it fits what you want to believe

[Brainster]

Originally Posted by rwguinn

And that is a positive factor in what way?

Hitler was sincere in his beliefs
W is sincere in his beliefs
Hillary is sincere in her beliefs
Sadam was sincere in his beliefs
Ted Kennedy---er, nevermind...

Compared to some of the Deniers, who I think cannot really believe all the stupid things they say. James Fetzer, for example, keeps repeating mistakes that have been pointed out to him numerous times. Paul may do the same (I don't know) but I suspect that's more a comprehension/writing issue--he's not a Distinguished McKnight professor.

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by Oliver

I don´t know for sure. Did he lost his own brother
or some firefighter-brothers in there???

Not his own.

Originally Posted by Bell

Could Gravy or someone else please clarify Paul's issue with 9/11? Why does he believe there's a conspiracy? I asked him 3 times, but no answer alas.

We've asked him to state his case many times. He has been unable to do so. He is very paranoid. He accuses most of the truth movement of being government disinfo agents, "snitches" and shills out to prevent him from exposing the truth. He says the same about us. He says that the FDNY and the NYPD have undertaken investigations of truth movement disinfo, based on information he has provided (they haven't, AFAIK). He claims to have brought his "evidence" – the same incoherent crackpot stuff he's posted here – to a NYC district attorney. He's very angry that he hasn't been given proper "credit" for his theories.

As far as I can tell he's a delusional guy who thinks that 9/11 was an inside job and who believes that completely unrelated things (i.e. the demolition of the Maspeth gas tanks) are evidence of a conspiracy. He does not appear to look at, or understand, the contrary evidence we provide.

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

"I was present at BWY and Park Row when the second tower collapsed. I ran from 42st back to the trade center."

That doesn't make sense. Bdwy & Park Row is no where near 42nd street and it would take a very, very long time to run from 42nd Street to the WTC.

That would be difficult but doable in the time allowed, for a fit person. It's 3.5 miles from 42nd & Broadway to City Hall.

Originally Posted by Shades_of_Grey

Thats what I was thinking. You cant dismiss this mans claims about 9/11 but then opt to believe his story about the gash and leaning because it fits what you want to believe

Agreed. I take none of his statements at face value. I posted this quote in the hope that he would clarify some things, but I don't know how likely that is.

[T.A.M.]

Shades:

I can choose to believe or not believe his "eye witness" testimony, and it has no relivence to believing or not believing the other things that he states that are not based on his first hand knowledge.

TAM

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by Gravy

Not his own.

We've asked him to state his case many times. He has been unable to do so. He is very paranoid. He accuses most of the truth movement of being government disinfo agents, "snitches" and shills out to prevent him from exposing the truth. He says the same about us. He says that the FDNY and the NYPD have undertaken investigations of truth movement disinfo, based on information he has provided (they haven't, AFAIK). He claims to have brought his "evidence" – the same incoherent crackpot stuff he's posted here – to a NYC district attorney. He's very angry that he hasn't been given proper "credit" for his theories.

As far as I can tell he's a delusional guy who thinks that 9/11 was an inside job and who believes that completely unrelated things (i.e. the demolition of the Maspeth gas tanks) are evidence of a conspiracy. He does not appear to look at, or understand, the contrary evidence we provide.

That would be difficult but doable in the time allowed, for a fit person. It's 3.5 miles from 42nd & Broadway to City Hall.

Agreed. I take none of his statements at face value. I posted this quote in the hope that he would clarify some things, but I don't know how likely that is.

Its amazing to me that this stooge would go to ground zero and act in the same manner as the Anti-gov spooks who disrespect the dead.

Sentinel, stop the insults.

Posted By:Patricio Elicer

Tell me Gravy when are going to address the question on why supposed Intelligent terrorist who were able to hide from the security services and Intel people for the whole time they were here in our country and able to bypass the airport security (showing ID at the Boarding gate) so well?

Why did they help the war profiteers who are sending are young people to die in an ilegal war of aggression fashioned under the same premis as Hitlers war on terror?

Why didn't they hit Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant when they flew right over it to his a failing real estate venture with ties to the Nazi Party?

Wouldn't they have wanted to kill as many "INFIDELS" as posible? Why stop a three thousand when they could have wiped out Millions?


Sentinel

[Sentinel]

The AMEC- Turner-WTC 7 connection
ewing2001, Fri Jan 13 2006, 08:22PM

The AMEC- Turner-WTC 7 connection
Money Power Brokers for the controlled demolitions?
Compilations by ewing2001

The AMEC-WTC 7 connection was new to me.

I only was aware of a WTC 1, 2, Pentagon connection with AMEC. Here a collection of info, reflecting a lawsuit by Con Edison vs. WTC7, now KO'ed by NYC...

Below is the AMEC WTC 7 connection, pasted from the suit-PDF.

Reminder: AMEC removed the rubble from wtc1, 2.
It was one of 4 contractors, the others
have been Tully/CC Inc., Bovis Lend and Turner Construction

AMEC also renovated the pentagon wing, which was officially attacked on sep11th and they removed rubble from there too.

AMEC is occasionally also mentioned as a favourite for the part of the conventional controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2, possibly together with insiders, associated with Controlled Demolition Inc.

CD Inc. did apparently also a test collapse in Maspeth, NY of 2 Twin Gas Storage Towers, in July 2001. (more on that below...)

We also mentioned here at team8plus a strong AMEC-7/7 connection.
http://www.team8plus.org/forum_viewtopic.php?9.879
Their sub contractor van of Kingstar (a 'controlled demolition specialist' as well) was seen and photographed at the crime scene of the 'attacked bus', visibly parking there BEFORE the explosion!

Also, 7/7 victim Anthony Fatayi-Williams, who got killed in front of Tavistock Building, was actually from Nigeria, working for AMEC.

AMEC is also one of the iraq war profiteers with some contracts....

From the lawsuit Con Ed vs. WTC 7:
http://villagevoice.com/blogs/powerp..._sj_motion.pdf

"...The Citigroup Construction Defendants—AMEC PLC, the general
contractor; Skidmore Owings and Merrill, L.L.P. (“Skidmore”), the architect; Flack & Kurtz (“Flack”), the mechanical engineer; Centrifugal Associates, Inc. (“Centrifugal”), the infrastructure and mechanical subcontractor; and Irwin Cantor, thestructural engineer—are alleged, by the same general allegations as were used in the previous groupings of defendants, to have been negligent in the design and construction of 7WTC.
(Am. Compl. 7272 ¶¶ 183-88.)...

...

...Tishman, AMEC, Centrigufal, were alleged to have been
50 general or sub- contractors. (Am. Compl. 7272 ¶¶ 16, 66, 68.) All Fire is alleged to have “tested the fire suppression system associated with OEM.” (Am. Compl. 7272 ¶ 56...."


The mainstream media references:

City Wins in Ground Zero Case
http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/po...ves/002322.php
By Jarrett Murphy | January 12, 2006

A federal judge on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit charging that the city's Office of Emergency Management helped cause the collapse of Seven World Trade Center on 9-11 by storing diesel fuel for its emergency generators in the 47-story building.

The Port Authority and developer Larry Silverstein are still on the hook in the suit, which was filed by insurers for Con Edison, which had a substation under WTC7 that was severely damaged.

The city Law Department hailed the ruling, which it says is the last property damage claim against the city related to 9-11...
http://villagevoice.com/blogs/powerp..._sj_motion.pdf

...WTC7 was the last building to fall on 9-11. No one was killed there. Compared to the twin towers it was a relative nobody among New York skyscrapers, but it has enjoyed posthumous notoriety because of the mystery of why exactly it fell. Thanks to the neat and sudden collapse of the building, WTC7 is central to alternative theories about what happened on 9-11—and particularly to the notion that the buildings in lower Manhattan were brought down by planned demolitions.

Mainstream inquiries also find puzzlement on WTC 7. The national investigation of Ground Zero building collapses has yet to issue its final report on building seven. An earlier study by the Federal Emergency Management Agency punted on trying to explain the collapse definitively. Not struck by planes, WTC7 appears to have collapsed solely because of fire—apparently a first for a steel-framed skyscraper...."


http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/59185.htm
CON ED WTC SUIT KO'D
By KATI CORNELL SMITH

"...January 13, 2006 -- A federal judge has pulled the plug on a lawsuit by Con Edison alleging the city's negligence caused 7 World Trade Center to collapse on Sept. 11 and damage an electrical substation below the skyscraper.

Con Ed claimed poor design features in a fuel system used to power the city's Office of Emergency Management Command Center — then located on the 23rd floor of 7 WTC — sparked a fire that made the building fall following the 9/11 terror attacks...

... Manhattan federal Judge Alvin Hellerstein found the city was not liable because OEM's fuel system was constructed in good faith.

The city has denied that the tanks' design and construction was poor.

The judge's ruling, however, allows Con Edison and its insurers' to pursue claims of negligence against the Port Authority, which owns the land beneath the tower, and the owners of the building..."

-email-


Controlled Demolition Inc. -the lost WTC 1, 2 'demolition' link
Twin Gas Storage Demolition: final test for 9/11?

...above is a new graphic clipping available from Paul Isaac (former auxiliary firefighter) and his correspondent.


It's based on the plausible idea, that the July 2001 controlled demolition of the Twin Gas Storage Towers on Maspeth Ave, New York City, was most obviously a final test of controlled demolition of the Twin Towers.

The owner Keyspan, is linked to ENRON and Guiliani.
I'm supportive of this idea and promoted it first time during early 2005 in some mailing lists.

In July 2001, Controlled Demolition Inc. was involved in a controlled
demolition of 2 Twin Gas Storage Towers on Maspeth Ave, Brooklyn, New York, just some air miles away from the original location of the downtown Manhattan Twin Towers.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9...lition14ks.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/9uzq2



http://www.qgazette.com/News/2001/07..._Page/007.html
http://www.qgazette.com/News/2001/07...e/007p1_lg.jpg
July 18, 2001
The Tanks Came Tumbling Down


"...Area residents expressed concern that the demolition would release lead dust into the atmosphere, although KeySpan officials said the process would be closely monitored and that before the demolition most of the paint on the 400-foot-high tanks had been taped over or scraped off. However, some residents and environmental activists felt that removing the remnants of the tanks would pose a danger at least as great as the implosion itself.

"There's an enormous amount of steel that has to be cut up," the owner of a Flushing-based business, who filed an affidavit supporting a coalition of groups from Greenpoint and Williamsburg that sought unsuccessfully to block the tanks' demolition, noted. KeySpan uses mechanized scissor-like devices to cut up the steel skin of the tanks, rather than torches, to avoid vaporizing the lead paint. In addition, KeySpan also laid down a special fabric cover to shield nearby buildings and vacuumed streets after the implosion...."


Here is the evidence, that Controlled Demolition Inc. did the controlled demolition of the Twin Gas Storage Towers in Brooklyn, New York:

http://www.phillyblast.com/benthere.htm
http://www.phillyblast.com/Keyspan/keyspan6.jpg

Structures: Keyspan Gas Holder No. 1 and Holder No. 2 (formerly known as the Maspeth Holders)
City: Brooklyn, NY (Greenpoint area)
Location: Maspeth Ave. between Morgan Ave. and Vandervooft Ave.
Date & Time: July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am
Implosion Contractor: Controlled Demolition, Inc.
General Contractor: Mercer Wrecking
Height: Almost 400 feet tall each
Explosives: 750 lbs. of shaped charges (375 per holder) and 25 lbs. conventional charges (12.5 per holder)


Mercer is also specialized in "recycling" and surprisingly located in one of the anthrax cities :

http://www.recycle.net/trade/aa007879.html
Mercer Wrecking & Recycling Corp.
Trenton New Jersey

NOTE:
The owner, is millionaire Mario Mezza, who made some fat business during the weeks around 9/11. He's now part of the huge indian Adani Group.


http://www.newportnewstimes.com/arti...ews/news09.txt
Dec 02, 2005

"...According to an online article from Recycling Today, it began with the founding of Jacobson Metal Co., in 1955, which grew to see annual revenues of $30 million by 2001.

Jacobson Metal was purchased by Recycling Industries in August 2001. But that didn't last. Ten days later, Recycling Today reported that Mercer Wrecking and Recycling, based in Trenton, New Jersey, was acquiring Recycling Industries, a "defunct recycling industries scrap company," for $3.3 million. The owner of Mercer, Mario Mazza, renamed the facility Bay Bridge Enterprises...."

ALSO (*thx for this info of Paul Isaac):

"...Keyspan Park the NY Mets Minor League stadium (built by Turner
construction) was finished 01 and the first game of the Brooklyn
Cyclones was June 25th 01..."

Turner construction was also involved in the
controlled cleanup of GROUND ZERO...

More on AMEC and Turner see also
Pentagon CleanUp Company BMS hired for Manoa
2004/11/6
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modul...6fc500bc9d2f93
[ Edited ]

Re: The AMEC- Turner-WTC 7 connection
ewing2001, Fri Jan 13 2006, 08:54PM

Unsurprisingly i also found an AMEC- BTC Pipeline link:

http://www.amec.com/services/service...asp?pageid=563

BTC Pipeline – Technician Training - Caspian Region,
Azerbaijan – Georgia – Turkey (AGT) Company
Training & Development Services developed site-specific operating procedures, maintenance training plans, and web-based training modules as part of AGT Operations’ overall training strategy for the BTC pipeline. AGT Operations is currently undertaking a major capital expansion in the Caspian Region, both upgrading existing facilities and building new facilities.

All of the training content for the BTC Pipeline Technician Training is being delivered using AMEC’s learning and competence management system, OperatorSuiteTM..."

see also
Foulplay at UK Buncefeld Oil Blast ?
http://www.team8plus.org/forum_viewtopic.php?17.2047
[ Edited Fri Jan 13 2006, 03:55PM ]

Re: The AMEC- Turner-WTC 7 connection
ewing2001, Sat Jan 14 2006, 12:12AM

...next WTC stuff is grabbed from the past at democraticunderground.com (where i was banned in late 2002), maybe soon valuable again, regarding latest mainstream developments on controlled demolition.
Please ignore my naive enthusiasm at that time, as also the link credit to hardcore gatekeeper MotherJones....

ewing2001 wrote:
Apr-27-02

...This is what Amerikadansk found out:
Westfield America is a subsidiary of Westfield Group.

http://www.westfield.com.au/
this info is under "Westfield Holdings" then "Overview" in the menu on the
left side of the page.
Westfield Group Management Portfolio
as at June 2000
United States 39 major shopping centres
3.5 million square metres GLA
approx. 5,200 retailers
6 airport retail plazas. (National and Dulles - Washington D.C., Logan
International - Boston, Orlando - Florida, Newark - New Jersey, San Antonio
- Texas)
Australia 30 major shopping centres
2.0 million square metres gross leasable area (GLA)
approx. 6,130 retailers
New Zealand 11 major shopping centres
200,000 square metres GLA
approx. 950 retailers
United Kingdom 7 major shopping centre
265,000 square metres GLA
approx. 620 retailers
+++++
That's an amazing hot new piece of the puzzle for me.
I was once analysing the structure of Logan.
I remember that UA or AA own parts of it, too, but i will doublecheck this
piece of information again.
I'm also working at a friend today, but i will definetely come back to this
topic again.
That's indeed rather impressive news for me.
I even opened an own topic for that on GZ this day!!

We have to find out, how many hangars Westfield own at these airports...

....
I was stucked in my research, when i found another Westfield-company in
argentina, which is linked to ENRON and George Bush, pretty wild or?

More about that here:
http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jo...argentina.html
March/April 2000
But i think, this Westfield company wasn't a depandance from our
australian/US dependance.
This is what i found out and unfortunately it's not much newer stuff from
what you reported so far. Just a sumup.
I will concentrate next on Boston Logan to analyse their hangars etc...


Westfields connection with WTC:
======================================
http://www.poynter.org/Terrorism/PDF...ingHeraldW.pdf
September 12th, 2001
"...The Australian property group
Westfield Holdings had recently
signed a $US3.2 billion, 99-year
lease on the centre’s shopping precinct..."

The Airport Infos:
======================================
http://www.westfield.com/us/corporate/retailer/
Westfield currently manages the retail concessions at Boston-Logan
International Airport, Newark International Airport, Orlando International
Airport, Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, San Antonio
International Airport, and Washington Dulles International Airport.
1) Boston-Logan International Airport
Leasable Retail Space 16,000 square feet

2) Newark International Airport
Leasable Retail Space 100,000 square feet

3) Washington Dulles International Airport
Leasable Retail Space 23,000 square feet

Compare with flight routes, all three airports, where the planes left are
connected
to Westfield

1)
flight 11 BOSTON, MA, TO LOS
ANGELES, CA===>WTC
flight 175 BOSTON, MA, TO LOS
ANGELES, CA ===> WTC
2)
flight 93 NEWARK, NJ, TO SAN
FRANCISCO, CA ===>Pennsylvannia
3)
flight 77 WASHINGTON-DULLES,
VA, TO LOS ANGELES, CA ===>Pentagon

Some highlights of Westfield history
======================================
http://www.westfield.com/us/corporate/about/
1960 Westfield Development Corporation lists on the Sydney Stock Exchange
1979 Westfield Holdings and Westfield Property Trust formed
1983 Joint venture with Bridge Oil
1993 Westfield manages 31 centers (seven in the US)
1998 Invests in Suria Kuala Lumpur City Centre, Malaysia
2001 $US3.2 billion, 99-yearlease on the WT centre’s shopping precinct, NYC

Infos about http://www.bridgeoil.com/
======================================
They have offices in London, Singapore, Netherland (Bridge Marine Fuels
b.v.),
istanbul (Bridge Oil Denizcilik) and two affiliate Companies:
Reiter Petroleum Inc, Quebec
La Habana Cuba, La Habana


Re: The AMEC- Turner-WTC 7 connection
ewing2001, Sat Jan 14 2006, 12:20AM

...btw, Richard Ben-Veniste, former 9/11 commissioner, was partner in the Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw law firm which represented Westfield Corporation and Westfield America -- insurance beneficiaries of the court-ordered multi-billion dollar payout for the World Trade Center destruction....

Re: The AMEC- Turner-WTC 7 connection
ewing2001, Sat Jan 14 2006, 12:40AM

Bovis Lend-Westfield link
http://www.lendlease.com/llweb/llc/m...ll_who_history
Who We Are
History 2005
Lend Lease announces its opposition to GPT's proposed transactions with Westfield and Babcock & Brown


Lend Lease could merge with GPT
By Carolyn Cummins
Sydney
April 26, 2004
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...?from=storyrhs
"...Lend Lease is believed to be considering a merger with its listed General Property Trust to form a group worth about $11 billion after Westfield Holdings made a similar move last week..."


"Schizophrenia Research"
http://www.nisad.org.au/newsEvents/genNews/workers.asp
Westfield and Bovis Lend Lease lay solid foundations for more NISAD research...
[ Edited Fri Jan 13 2006, 07:44PM ]

Re: The AMEC- Turner-WTC 7 connection
ewing2001, Sat Jan 14 2006, 04:25PM

Photos: Frank Lowy (Westfield Holdings), Peter Lowy (President, Westfield), Peter G. Peterson (Blackstone Group)


More Background on Westfield Australia

compiled by Gerard Holmgren

"...Frank Lowy, chairman/founder of Westfield Australia, a property group so
big that even two of its subsideries are in the top 50 companies on the
Aust Stock exchange. Second richest person in Australia after Packer.
Biggest individual donor to both political parties. Has bought up
mountains of property all over the world, including US. Took over the US
property giant Rodamaco in 2000.

Westfield America is a subsidiary. Silverstein is on the board of
Westfield America or at least was at the time of the dirty deed.
Westfield Australia directly injected A$840 m into the Silverstein
consortium and took charge of the WTC shopping plaza in the Sept 10
takeover.

Lowy's son Peter was with Silverstein at the Sept 10 takeover ceremony..."

Strange lease agreements of WTC prior to 911


1)
On October 17, 2000, eleven months before 9/11, Blackstone Real Estate
Advisors, of The Blackstone Group, L.P, purchased, from Teachers Insurance
and Annuity Association, the participating mortgage secured by World Trade
Center, Building 7.1

2)
On 24 July 2001, 6 weeks prior to 9/11 Silverstein took control of the
lease of the WTC following the Port Authority decision on April 26.

Silverstein and Frank Lowy, CEO of Westefield Inc. took control of the
10.6 million-square-foot WTC complex. "Lowy leased the shopping concourse
called the Mall at the WTC, which comprised about 427,000 square feet of retail
space."

Blackstone chairman Peter G. Petersen is also Chairman of the Federal
Reserve Bank of New York and Chairman of the board of the Council on
Foreign Relations (CFR). His partner Stephen A. Schwarzman is also a member of the
Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).


http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1130
"...Murdoch and the Czechoslovakian-born Israeli commando Frank Lowy, a former fighter in Israel’s Golani Brigade, who emigrated to Australia in the 1950s, have had a long friendship, which Murdoch recounted during an American Australian Association fund-raising dinner in honor of Frank’s son, Peter S. Lowy, in New York on November 20, 2002. Larry Silverstein and his wife also attended the American Australian event...
[ Edited Sat Jan 14 2006, 11:28AM ]

Re: The AMEC- Turner-WTC 7 connection
ewing2001, Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:13PM

see also:

http://www.total911.info/2006/01/pen...ired-wtc7.html

As Village Voice reports Friday that a federal judge has issued an important ruling in a little-noticed lawsuit about the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7. The power company ConEdison had a substation beneath the WTC7, which suddenly imploded late on the afternoon of 9/11. ConEdison's reinsurers have sued the parties involved in the construction of WTC7 for recompense.

Scanning through the copy of the ruling provided online by the Voice, we see the name AMEC pop up. Ths is interesting, because AMEC is the British construction company which was in charge of "reinforcing" the wing of the Pentagon which was bombed on 9/11....



Oooops



Have a nice day

Sentinel

[Sentinel]

Yes,
Everything is Ok, Just go back to sleep.


Sentinel

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by Sentinel

Yes,
Everything is Ok, Just go back to sleep.


Sentinel

Forget about "Troof"-Sources if you want to
keep your mental health. No kidding here.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by Sentinel

Why didn't they hit Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant when they flew right over it to his a failing real estate venture with ties to the Nazi Party?

Wouldn't they have wanted to kill as many "INFIDELS" as posible? Why stop a three thousand when they could have wiped out Millions?


Sentinel

Nuclear Power Plants have concrete to prevent large aircraft from breaching into the important parts.

So they did not hit the Nuke because it would have just been a plane crash, not a thing more!

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by Sentinel

...(massive cut-and-paste job deleted by WildCat)...

Oooops



Have a nice day

Sentinel

Holy incomprehensible lunatic rambling Batman!

[uk_dave]

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Tell me Gravy when are going to address the question on why supposed Intelligent terrorist who were able to hide from the security services and Intel people for the whole time they were here in our country and able to bypass the airport security (showing ID at the Boarding gate) so well?

Because US domestic airline security was a joke prior to 9/12

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Why did they help the war profiteers who are sending are young people to die in an ilegal war of aggression fashioned under the same premis as Hitlers war on terror?

Because they wanted to show their own people that the US could be hit on it's own soil and (perhaps) hoped that the blow would be crippling (terrorists aren't really all that bright) or didn't expect the military response against afghanistan.

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Why didn't they hit Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant when they flew right over it to his a failing real estate venture with ties to the Nazi Party?

Because power plants have reinforced concrete containment buildings and aren't as large a target as two bloody great towers and the pentagon. Also they couldn't give a toss about the US nazi party except that they probably share some common views with regard to the jewish people.

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Wouldn't they have wanted to kill as many "INFIDELS" as posible? Why stop a three thousand when they could have wiped out Millions?

No. There comes a point where sympathy for their cause is lost if they kill millions. The backlash would have been unavoidable and extreme.

WTC, Pentagon and I assume the capitol buildings were symbolic targets which could if their plans panned out, lead to the crippling of the military, financial and political aspects of US society.

It didn't work out like that because terrorists are not necessarily the shrpest knives in the drawer, just possibly the most committed.

[gumboot]

Originally Posted by uk_dave

It didn't work out like that because terrorists are not necessarily the shrpest knives in the drawer, just possibly the most committed.

I think Al Qaeda, like the Japanese, underestimated the US response. Consider in the decade prior to 9/11 the US had been very withdrawn on the world scene. The only big commitment was to Somalia and the US backed out of that as soon as people on the ground got killed. After that they contented themselves with airstrikes.

I doubt Al Qaeda expected the US to invade Afghanistan. They "awoke a slumbering giant and filled him with terrible resolve", as it were.

-Gumboot

[carlvs]

Originally Posted by Sentinel

Why didn't they hit Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant when they flew right over it to his a failing real estate venture with ties to the Nazi Party?

Wouldn't they have wanted to kill as many "INFIDELS" as posible? Why stop a three thousand when they could have wiped out Millions?


Sentinel

So now you are complaining that we didn't get hit WORSE on 9/11?!?!

Talk about sick...

[gumboot]

Originally Posted by carlvs

So now you are complaining that we didn't get hit WORSE on 9/11?!?!

Talk about sick...

I doubt crashing into a Nuclear Power Plant - even if the aircraft theoretically broke through the structure - would actually be that productive.

People seem to think if you crash into a nuclear power plant it's going to generate a nuclear explosion or something. I find that highly unlikely.

-Gumboot

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Sentinel

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...above is a new graphic clipping available from Paul Isaac (former auxiliary firefighter) and his correspondent.

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No change in hell I'm gonna read all of that...

However, my eye fell on the above sentence. You're not with the FDNY anymore? How come? Did you resign? Or did the joos fire you?

[Sentinel]

Ok, I'll make it simple for the simpletons.

1st whats stronger ? A nuclear power plant wall or the pentagon reinforced concret with Blast proof windows?

2 Answer # 01

3rd You still haven't answered why Three planes missed out on hitting the nuclear power plant that would have made three mile island and love canal look like disney land?

4th well, you're not ready for 4 so go answer why WTC 7 was built quicker than the WTC Memorial oh, thats right, theres still no memorial?

5th How come I see no one mentioning how the government that you all work for hasn't adressed the issue of Post attack illnesses suffered by first responders? You seem to be so damn right wing in support of government profiteering that I swore I missed it when you said that you're in support of getting the first responders the help they needed, spookie.

Please, If the plane (1) was able to go through the pentagon, (3) would have slaughterd the Nuclear power plant.

Oh, for those that are trying to imply that I'm Anti-jew, Its because of the Holocaust that I'm doing this.

So don't even try that route or you'll come up short....

"REAL SHORT"

Sometimes when the Enemys' stratigies change you have to adapt improve and overcome. Thats for the whether " I'm still paying or not" Question.

"Running In Circles Standing Still"


hAvE a rELlY NiCe dAy!!!!

sEnTiNeL

[Gravy]

[Sentinel]

Image © 2006, Kyle Nosal/Carroll County Times || NYC Fire Ladder Co. 10 Auxillary fire fighter Paul Isaac Jr holds a flag outside of the Ladder 10/Engine 10 fire station during the 9/11 Five year Anniversary ceremony at the World Trade Center in New York City.


Tell me how it is I'm standing here infront of Engine Ladder 10 in uniform and yet, No one has a damn thing to say about other than the spooks on this board?

This is how I serve my community in the interest of my community. What do you do for the people?


Have a Nice Day.


Sentienl

[Gravy]

[T.A.M.]

Well my day job involves helping people 8-9 hours a day as a physician. I spent 3 years in emergency, and I treated all who came. One of my worst days in the ER was when I had a paramedic come in with a GSW to the chest...self induced. It is bad enough to get the call of a GSW but when the gurney roles in and it is one of your own...you get the picture. Now I am a family physician, so my work is not nearly as exciting, but it is also less stressful.

Paul, you are a good guy, and I can see you are angry with your government, but don't assume that we do nothing for others.

Peace.

TAM

[uk_dave]

Originally Posted by Sentinel

1st whats stronger ? A nuclear power plant wall or the pentagon reinforced concret with Blast proof windows?


sEnTiNeL

Answer: A nuclear power plant containment building

[60hzxtl]

False Alarm! False Alarm!

Note that the full moon is at 5PM GMT 4 Dec 2006.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Sentinel

3rd You still haven't answered why Three planes missed out on hitting the nuclear power plant that would have made three mile island and love canal look like disney land?

Damn! How did we overlook that! For the next 'terror attacks' we have to put you in command of the operation.

[Gravy]

Paul, you used to be associated with 10-house, but not any more, is that right? How does your civil defense role actually work? When are you on the job?

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by 60hzxtl

False Alarm! False Alarm!

Note that the full moon is at 5PM GMT 4 Dec 2006.

Since we have three Brooklynites in this thread now, I suggest that we triagulate the moon's position tonight to be sure that's really what we're looking at.