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Dear Kevin,

In October I sent you the email below, which refers to this page on your website: http://www.mujca.com/anniversaries.htm

Why have you not corrected your egregious errors? Please do so now.

Sincerely,
Mark Roberts

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From: Mark Roberts <[email protected] >
Date: Oct 12, 2006
Subject: Serious errors on your website.
To: [email protected]

Dear Kevin,

In reviewing your website mujca.com, I noticed a particularly baffling passage on the first page:

"9/11 insurance-fraudster Larry Silverstein, like the Poe narrator, was apparently confounded by the noise of his own lying heartbeat when he confessed on national TV to making "a decision to pull (WTC-7)...and we made that decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse." Silverstein's inability to get anything built on the site during the past five years, leaving a gigantic bomb crater screaming silently to the world that the WTC was destroyed by bombs, not by planes, is another, far more eloquent confession. To borrow a phrase from the Loose Change logo, Larry's bomb crater is "louder than words." Perhaps the best possible memorial would be to leave the site exactly the way it is, and hold a ribbon-cutting ceremony for the Larry Silverstein Memorial Bomb Crater.

Several corrections need to be made here:

1) "Insurance-fraudster." I am not aware of Silverstein having done anything illegal involving WTC insurance, and apparently neither are the insurance companies. If you have evidence of such wrongdoing, which would be front-page news in New York, please present it. If not, you should retract the accusation.

2) "We made that decision to pull." Kevin, this is a particularly egregious error. I shouldn't have to remind you that the quote is "And they made that decision to pull." Here is the exact quote:

"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, uh, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

With the sentence 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it," Silverstein is obviously referring to saving lives, not blowing up buildings.

"They," of course, was the Fire Department of New York, and particularly Chief Daniel Nigro, who was in charge of operations on 9/11 after Chief Peter Ganci was killed. Nigro:

"The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC 7] building. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt." [Fire Engineering magazine, 10/2002]

In another interview, Chief Nigro says,

"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was [that] the col-lapse [Of the WTC towers] had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did col-lapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed completely." http://tinyurl.com/g8c6y

In this paper I list 28 instances of the word "pull" being used by first responders on 9/11 to refer to the withdrawal of firefighting and rescue operations due to the danger presented by WTC building 7: http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.doc (doc file version), or http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf (PDF version)

3) "Silverstein's inability to get anything built on the site during the past five years, leaving a gigantic bomb crater screaming silently to the world that the WTC was destroyed by bombs, not by planes, is another, far more eloquent confession."

I'll avoid the "bomb" comment for now. My paper will disabuse you of that notion. As I'm sure you know, Silverstein's new, 52-story WTC 7 has been open since May, 2006. To state that he has built nothing on the site is to ignore one of the largest skyscrapers in New York City. Delays in building the rest of the site have been due primarily to problems with design and planning that are not Silverstein's province.

I look forward to hearing from you that your site will be corrected of these errors as soon as possible. I am revising my WTC 7 paper that's linked above and would prefer not to include your name amongst those who have chosen politics above honesty and so badly misrepresented this part of the tragic story.

Sincerely,

Mark Roberts
Brooklyn, NY
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I heard back from Barrett (well, he replied as "Khidria," but I assume it's him). In a two-sentence email, he said that he would be saving my email as evidence against me, and that I would be standing on the gallows beside the traitor, mass murderer, and insurance fraudster Larry Silverstein.

My reply:
First, please identify yourself. Are you Kevin Barrett?

Next, please provide evidence of Larry Silverstein's

1) Treason
2) Mass murdering
3) Insurance fraud

You have not done so on your website or anywhere else that I've seen.

Thank you.
Mark Roberts
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I received another two-sentence reply, which said that the information I seek is publicly available and that I should figure it out for myself.

My reply:
Since the information I seek is in your imagination only, I have turned to you for clarification. Most people understand that serious accusations, such as yours against Larry Silverstein, require proof. Since there is no evidence that Larry Silverstein has done anything wrong, much less murdered people or committed treason or insurance fraud, you should retract your accusations. Beyond the legal issue of libel, it's simply the right thing to do.

Do you really want to live in a world in which an accuser's baseless, hateful ranting is an acceptable standard of evidence? Please think about that, Mr. Barrett. Do the responsible and adult thing and withdraw your accusations against Larry Silverstein. The truth demands it.

Sincerely,

Mark Roberts
Brooklyn, NY
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And that's where we left it. If I'm being called a traitor by "patriots" like Bermas, Balsamo (JDX), and Barrett, I must be doing something right.
 
Barrett is becoming unhinged. Reading the stuff on his site is just bizarre, with long screeds denouncing just about everyone he dislikes and saying the gallows are awaiting them, and praising his allies like Allah himself. Very little actual arguments.
 
Excellent stuff, Gravy. And to think this guy is influencing young people to join him in making reckless accusations acceptable behavior.

Gravy: Avery's haste at slamming his own films on the Hardfire debate. Do you think the motive is fear of lawsuits?
 
Gravy your quote from silverstein is incorrect. He said "..and then they made the decision to pull..."


This has been pointed out to you before and yet you still misquote
 
Gravy said:
I heard back from Barrett (well, he replied as "Khidria," but I assume it's him). In a two-sentence email, he said that he would be saving my email as evidence against me, and that I would be standing on the gallows beside the traitor, mass murderer, and insurance fraudster Larry Silverstein.
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That guy strikes me as actually being dangerous, unlike 99.999% of the Troofer cult. Anyone who gladly announces that they'll kill anyone who they perceive to be a "traitor" has some really, really major issues upstairs. Barrett is certifiable.
 
Wizard said:
Gravy your quote from silverstein is incorrect. He said "..and then they made the decision to pull..."


This has been pointed out to you before and yet you still misquote
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I will stand with you and insist Gravy acknowledge and fix his error once you acknowledge and fix all of yours. Same rules for everyone. Barrett, Gravy, you.
 
Wizard said:
Gravy your quote from silverstein is incorrect. He said "..and then they made the decision to pull..."


This has been pointed out to you before and yet you still misquote
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Its not really a misquote, the meaning of said quote doesnt change very much. Barrett wilfully misquoted Silverstein by changing the "they" to "we". Huge difference.
 
I love this part:

I am revising my WTC 7 paper that's linked above and would prefer not to include your name amongst those who have chosen politics above honesty
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I'm sure Mr Barrett is trembling at the idea that his name might appear in a little read tour guide's paper.

I mean, so far, he has only lost his job and received death threats from Bill O'Reilly, but a mention in Gravy's paper would surely finish him off
 
Death threats from Bill O'Reilly? Where do you get that?

Why are we whispering all of a sudden?
 
Wizard said:
I'm sure Mr Barrett is trembling at the idea that his name might appear in a little read tour guide's paper.
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Well what have you ever done in your life? You've flammed a few people in a message board using about a million different usernames, you've mocked the work of others without having done any yourself and uh... that's about it really.

The other day you said you respect Gravy more than anyone else here. That quote I quoted you on sir, is a serious sign of disrespect. Gravy wrote that paper in his own time for a valid cause. What have you done?

Also nice work Gravy :)

I think this guy might acutally be insane. (Barrett)
 
Gravy said:
In a two-sentence email, he said that he would be saving my email as evidence against me, and that I would be standing on the gallows beside the traitor, mass murderer, and insurance fraudster Larry Silverstein.
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Obviously Kevin Barrett got the collector's edition of "V for Vendetta" for Christmas.
 
Wizard said:
Bill O'Reilly said live on air that he would like to see Mr Barrett floating in a river.
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uhm..and where in that is a threat to have him killed?

floating down a river?? seems to me he just wants Barret to live in reality, and take a boat trip.
 
doctorfungi said:
Well what have you ever done in your life? You've flammed a few people in a message board using about a million different usernames, you've mocked the work of others without having done any yourself and uh... that's about it really.

The other day you said you respect Gravy more than anyone else here. That quote I quoted you on sir, is a serious sign of disrespect. Gravy wrote that paper in his own time for a valid cause. What have you done?

Also nice work Gravy :)

I think this guy might acutally be insane. (Barrett)
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Fungi you are only here because pdoherty forced you out of your normal trolling ground. You are a proven troll.
 
Hey Mr. Wizz.

Kevin Barrett says Larry Silverstein is an "insurance-fraudster". Why do you suppose he doesn't take his evidence to the insurance commission or to the insurance companies so they can extract justice on him?

In fact, Mr. Wizz, why do you suppose none of your fellow CTists take their evidence to anyone in a position to bring justice. Why do they instead, just post their nonsense on Internet forums and make youtube videos?

I say it's because they are afraid they will be laughed at, humiliated and possible suffer legal repercussions. I'm guessing you will say it's because of some other CT. What do you say?
 
Wizard said:
Gravy your quote from silverstein is incorrect. He said "..and then they made the decision to pull..."


This has been pointed out to you before and yet you still misquote
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You are wrong.

"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, uh, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse." –Larry Silverstein
 
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