Buzz lightyear and the JREF Challenge

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buzz lightyear said:
GDay Delusions_O_Grandeur ,
If you want to try a physics approach to the parranormal try experimenting with harmonic resonance .
Find yourself a structure with good acoustic reverberation properties and try continuously chanting something like " OM MANAE PADMAY OM " .
See if you can create an energy field that is continuous , it may prove interesting .
Good Luck
Buzz
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buzz lightyear said:
Yeh Zep , have made a study of the incantations used by most of the worlds religions , with differing amounts of success .
It takes about an hour of solid chanting and a good harmonic vessel to get something happening . If you are successful the resulting energy field will take very little imput to sustain .
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buzz lightyear said:
The "something" is the point at which the sound mass starts to rotate in a spiral motion . This usually only occurs in a domed or cylindrical acoustic vessel .
And you are correct ZYGAR I have experimented with LSD and sound , but with limited sucess . The increased heart rate from the drug causes difficulty in creating a smooth flow of sound .
Also having the condition known as " synesthesia" ,I find the use of hallucinogens unnecessary .
Buzz
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buzz lightyear said:
It depends ," Gr8wight" , where and how you do your chanting .
If you do it as " fuelair " suggests , in the rest room stalls of the local mall , you will probably get hauled off by the security for spooking the shoppers .
If you do it correctly ,at the right time ,in the right place ,it is possible to put a rent in the fabric of space / time .
Buzz
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buzz lightyear said:
My appologies , GzuzKryzt , for rambling on , am new to this " forum " thing .
As for the JREF challenge ;
You must be somewhat naive to believe that Mr Randi is interested in parranormal research .
The challenge is merely a tool , as the recent changes show , for a fading illusionist to attack the next generation of performers .
Ever since the punters became tired of the old rabbit in the hat routine and turned their attention to the new crop of mystics he has turned to Skeptism to retain a glimer of the spotlight .
Unfortunately the challenge has been used as the bait to belittle those silly or greedy enough to believe the hype .

No thanks GzuzKyrzt , I could do with the "mill" , it would fund a lot of research but my dignity just couldnt take the hammering .
Regards
Buzz
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Buzz lightyear, are you saying you have a claim for the JREF Million Dollar Challenge? If so, would you care to state it, please?

Are you implying the handling of applicants by JREF is dishonorable; as it does, in your words: "(...)belittle those silly or greedy enough to believe the hype .(...)", and are you making this the main reason not to apply? Specific examples of said displayed dishonor would help.

What exactly in JREF's demeanor would constitute the "hammering" to your "dignity"?
 
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Yeah , GzuzKyrzt , no challenge claim .
And yes the handling of applicants leaves a lot to be desired .
And yes this is the reason I would not apply .
As for examples of dishonour ; ......open your eyes !
As for demeanor............ ( as above)

But it is cute that you have created my own subforum .
Thanks
Buzz
 
buzz lightyear said:
And yes the handling of applicants leaves a lot to be desired .
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Example?

As for examples of dishonour ; ......open your eyes !
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Example?

As for demeanor............ ( as above)
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Example?

Bear in mind members of the forum are not the JREF, we are simply people interested in it's work. The only people who speak for the challenge are Jeff Wagg, and occasionally Randi himself.
 
buzz lightyear said:
Yeah , GzuzKyrzt , no challenge claim .
And yes the handling of applicants leaves a lot to be desired .
And yes this is the reason I would not apply .
As for examples of dishonour ; ......open your eyes !
As for demeanor............ ( as above)

But it is cute that you have created my own subforum .
Thanks
Buzz
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Buzz lightyear, I did not create a subforum for you, I simply started a new thread with your statements and I asked you to clarify, which I repeat:

Could you please elaborate on your criticism of the handling of applicants? Jeff Wagg (the current Challenge Administrator) visits this forum regularly, I'm sure he would value any constructive input.
Please give examples of dishonour on part of JREF.

May I say the reason for you not applying is most likely that you do not have a valid claim.

However, if I'm wrong and you do in fact have a claim, would you care to tell us what it is, even if we can't expect an application?
 
From the other thread:

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As for the Challenge , forget it , if good old "hellaeon" is typical of the type of person that I would have to deal with , no amount of money would be worth that.
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How about me? I am simply asking questions in order to gain a better understanding of the subject you introduced, buzz. I would be grateful if you would answer my question from the other thread.

After you have reached "the point at which the sound mass starts to rotate in a spiral motion," and you have successfully "put a rent in the fabric of space / time," what happens? What is the manifestation of this rent in the fabric of space/time?
 
The dust clears

Bravo , "Reno" , you would be the guy holding the noose ,who led the lynch party in the old westerns , screaming , " string him up " .
A classic example of what I expected .
Wake up " Reno" , Sylvia Brown and John Edwards are ENTERTAINERS .........
Unlike Mr Randi they dont take their cloak and hat off at the end of a show , to make a buck in their field they have to keep the show going 24/7 . They may have some abilities , personally I dont follow that crap .
Unfortunately your guise of an " Educational " institution catches the odd genuine person who cops the same flogging , allowing you guys a good deal of back slapping as you get pissed at the next conference .

And Gr8wight , you must be the other side of the coin , the critical thinker .
Havnt got time to respond to you at the moment , will do tonight .
Have to go and make a buck in the real world and the boss will be pissed if Im late .
Regards
Buzz
 
buzz lightyear said:
Sylvia Brown and John Edwards are ENTERTAINERS .........
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We know that, it's just that they keep telling people they are genuine.


Unlike Mr Randi they dont take their cloak and hat off at the end of a show
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What, exactly is your problem with Randi?


to make a buck in their field they have to keep the show going 24/7
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You mean they're con artists?


They may have some abilities , personally I dont follow that crap
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Then why even bring it up?


Unfortunately your guise of an " Educational " institution catches the odd genuine person who cops the same flogging
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Firstly what guise? Secondly the forums are not the JREF and do not represent its opinions.


allowing you guys a good deal of back slapping as you get pissed at the next conference
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You really shouldn't project your own level of critical thinking skills onto others.


Havnt got time to respond to you at the moment
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You've got time to rant but not to actually answer questions?
 
buzz lightyear said:
Bravo , "Reno" , you would be the guy holding the noose ,who led the lynch party in the old westerns , screaming , " string him up " .
A classic example of what I expected .
Wake up " Reno" , Sylvia Brown and John Edwards are ENTERTAINERS .........
Unlike Mr Randi they dont take their cloak and hat off at the end of a show , to make a buck in their field they have to keep the show going 24/7 . They may have some abilities , personally I dont follow that crap .
Unfortunately your guise of an " Educational " institution catches the odd genuine person who cops the same flogging , allowing you guys a good deal of back slapping as you get pissed at the next conference .
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Did babelfish translate my words into martian, or are you responding to someone else's post?
 
What is my bitch with Randi .
I dislike bullies ,
I dislike hypocrites ,
And I dislike people "who stoop to conquer"
If Mr Randi was truely the warrior opposed to quackery then he would go after the really big fish ........ The Pope ..... this dude and his group have been fleecing the public for centuries with bogus mysticism .
And while he is at it he could have a go at the America President , he claims some extraterrestial call "god " is on his side .
The archbishop of Canterbury..........the list is endless .

Back soon
Buzz
 
buzz lightyear said:
What is my bitch with Randi .
I dislike bullies ,
I dislike hypocrites ,
And I dislike people "who stoop to conquer"
If Mr Randi was truely the warrior opposed to quackery then he would go after the really big fish ........ The Pope ..... this dude and his group have been fleecing the public for centuries with bogus mysticism .
And while he is at it he could have a go at the America President , he claims some extraterrestial call "god " is on his side .
The archbishop of Canterbury..........the list is endless .

Back soon
Buzz
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Buzz: I do not in any way represent the JREF. I am a member of the forum. The forum does not represent the JREF tests either. All I/members can do is suggest ways to conduct tests.

Within a few posts you were criticizing the JREF and even me. Not bad, here for 5 minutes and already showing arrogance only found on those who perpetuate woo.

If you can refrain from being critical and instead stick to the point of the thread, can you at least tell me (or 'us') the name of your supposed physics skills? I would appreciate some references to help me better educate myself (and others) on your unknown physics knowledge. It would also help me possibly understand why you dont want to go down in history as someone who founded a new scientific discovery and also richer. Personally I would prefer the Kudos.

Also, what kind of validation do you have that was enough for you to believe what your doing is a real effect and a result of an unknown physics phenomena?
 
buzz lightyear said:
What is my bitch with Randi
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do tell


I dislike bullies
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evidence?


I dislike hypocrites
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evidence?


And I dislike people "who stoop to conquer"
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In what way does Randi lower himself or disguise his origins in his work?


If Mr Randi was truely the warrior opposed to quackery then he would go after the really big fish ........ The Pope .....
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What test would you suggest for the existence of any divine being? If you'd bothered to do any research before launching into your attacks you would have seen the challenge FAQ answers this for you here
 
Ok "Gr8wight" , enough stirring up the hornets .
Let's see if we can get some real communication happening .
For starts :
If it is ,as Newton reckoned, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ,it could be postulated that for our world of matter and life there would be a world of anti, or non matter and non life or death ,as the equal and opposite .

And if the theory that, energy cannot be created or destroyed but merely change its form is correct , then the thing we call our soul or persona , that we create during our lifetime , doesnt disintergrate at death , but simply changes form .

And if we also consider that life on earth gets larger as the magnetic field increases , then we are possibly the microcosm of the larger macrocosm we call the earth, created by the interface of the solar winds and the modulated effect of the magnetic field .

Then is the possibility of a parallel world from which life ebbs and flows not that ridiculous ?

Enough for now , let me know your thoughts ,
Buzz
 
buzz lightyear said:
If it is ,as Newton reckoned, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ,it could be postulated that for our world of matter and life there would be a world of anti, or non matter and non life or death ,as the equal and opposite .
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No. Newton's Law applies to forces - if you push in one direction the thing you are pushing pushes back against you. Nothing to do with anti-matter or parallel worlds is involved at any point.

And if the theory that, energy cannot be created or destroyed but merely change its form is correct , then the thing we call our soul or persona , that we create during our lifetime , doesnt disintergrate at death , but simply changes form .
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First, do you have evidence that there is anything that could be called a soul? Second, all the energy in the body eventually is reduced to ambient heat. Nothing to do with life after death is required to explain where the energy goes.

And if we also consider that life on earth gets larger as the magnetic field increases , then we are possibly the microcosm of the larger macrocosm we call the earth, created by the interface of the solar winds and the modulated effect of the magnetic field .
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What do you mean by "gets larger"? What do you mean by "microcosm" and "macrocosm" Do you even understand what a magnetic field is? Do you understand what the Solar wind is?

Then is the possibility of a parallel world from which life ebbs and flows not that ridiculous ?
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You're hypostheses are utterly nonsensical and do not follow from the concepts you claim they are derived from. There is no requirement for life to ebb or flow from anywhere, so not only is there no basis to your claim, but there is nothing that suggests your parallel world is needed to explain anything anyway.
 
What Cuddles said...


...plus, is your entire idea based around a total lack of understanding of physics?
 
Buzz - Paul and Cuddles responded better than I could have to your attacks. But still, I will share my thoughts/experience. It seems you have a personal grudge against James Randi. Why? I've been familiar with Randi since the 1980's. I think the role he performs ("debunker") is an important one. I also think he does it in a very diplomatic way (i.e. he is not mean-spirited or nasty). Yes, sometimes he can be brusk. But I will forgive him that because what we see here (I refer to the Challenge Applications section of the forum) is only the "tip of the iceberg" regarding the applications to The Challenge. Since starting The Challenge (I remember when it was $10,000), he has received a LOT of correspondance with people who, let's face it, have issues (my favorite was, as I recall, the brothers who claimed they were responsible for the sun rising and setting).

I'll also reiterate; the people who post here are not the JREF. We're just forum members. Most are skeptics, some are "fence sitters", some are "woos". But all have their own beliefs, opinions and personalities. Some will believe you when you make a claim. Others (myself included) will ask for evidence. That being said, could you please let us know why you are not interested in applying to The Challenge? Sorry, your post (#2) didn't quite cut it - "the handling of applicants leaves a lot to be desired", and "As for examples of dishonour...open your eyes". Please be specific.

Thanks! I look forward to your response.
 
buzz lightyear said:
Ok "Gr8wight" , enough stirring up the hornets .
Let's see if we can get some real communication happening .
For starts :
If it is ,as Newton reckoned, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ,it could be postulated that for our world of matter and life there would be a world of anti, or non matter and non life or death ,as the equal and opposite .

And if the theory that, energy cannot be created or destroyed but merely change its form is correct , then the thing we call our soul or persona , that we create during our lifetime , doesnt disintergrate at death , but simply changes form .

And if we also consider that life on earth gets larger as the magnetic field increases , then we are possibly the microcosm of the larger macrocosm we call the earth, created by the interface of the solar winds and the modulated effect of the magnetic field .

Then is the possibility of a parallel world from which life ebbs and flows not that ridiculous ?

Enough for now , let me know your thoughts ,
Buzz
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On a humourous note, buzz lightyear: This post reminds of the banter I witnessed from people lying aroung my house, high on psychedelica. :)

Everything was possible as long no evidence was needed. The more the others did not understand what was said, the more they applauded the speaker.

Of course, none of this happened after the buzz was over. :rolleyes:
 
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I know what you are talking about "Gzuzkryzt" .
This is probably what happened to Francis Crick back in the 60s when he was knocking back some Dr Hoffman's finest as he unravelled the mystery of DNA .
And " Cuddles " , I realise that you have reached the ripe old age of 23 and done your uni and everything , but good old Francis thought there was a soul . Even wrote a book about his attempt to find it .
But hey, what would he know he was just a pommy and he only won one Nobel Prize .
Back soon ,
Buzz
 
buzz lightyear said:
I know what you are talking about "Gzuzkryzt" .
This is probably what happened to Francis Crick back in the 60s when he was knocking back some Dr Hoffman's finest as he unravelled the mystery of DNA .
And " Cuddles " , I realise that you have reached the ripe old age of 23 and done your uni and everything , but good old Francis thought there was a soul . Even wrote a book about his attempt to find it .
But hey, what would he know he was just a pommy and he only won one Nobel Prize .
Back soon ,
Buzz
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Even with a Nobel Prize, his search for a "soul" seemed to be a dead end. (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was convinced of "fairies" and "magic". Does that make Sherlock Holmes a less compelling figure?)

Now that we've settled that, buzz lightyear, would you care to devote your attention to the inquiries of other posters?
 
buzz lightyear said:
but good old Francis thought there was a soul . Even wrote a book about his attempt to find it
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Do you realise that according to his wikipedia entry he described himself as a skeptic and an agnostic with "a strong inclination towards atheism" and that Mark Steyn characterized Crick as a militant atheist?

So no religeous/mystical backup from Crick, anything else?
 
buzz lightyear said:
I know what you are talking about "Gzuzkryzt" .
This is probably what happened to Francis Crick back in the 60s when he was knocking back some Dr Hoffman's finest as he unravelled the mystery of DNA .
And " Cuddles " , I realise that you have reached the ripe old age of 23 and done your uni and everything , but good old Francis thought there was a soul . Even wrote a book about his attempt to find it .
But hey, what would he know he was just a pommy and he only won one Nobel Prize .
Back soon ,
Buzz
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You know your sarcasm wont get lost on the people here. Now back on topic Ghandi....
 
Is this bloke our mate dargo in disguise?

He's definitely an Aussie, and has the same style of lots of claims, none of evidence. The "resonance" factor is stupid enough to be a brother to "shamathy" and the weird "pyramidology" that dargo and his buddies were into.

Dargo away since 12/1, buzz here since 14/1.

Either that, or Aussie's in the grip of some bad acid.
 
Phew !!!!!!!!!

Yuk , why do I suddenly feel dirty ,
Will have to go and have a tub ,What is the old saying ,
" lay down with dogs , wake up with fleas " .
See you guys later,
Sorry
Buzz
 
buzz lightyear said:
Yuk , why do I suddenly feel dirty ,
Will have to go and have a tub ,What is the old saying ,
" lay down with dogs , wake up with fleas " .
See you guys later,
Sorry
Buzz
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Finished with the random insults? Good.

Now, would you care to respond to any of my points from post #16? Since if any of my points are correct your entire theory falls apart it would be interesting to know why you think I am wrong.
 
buzz lightyear said:
Ok "Gr8wight" , enough stirring up the hornets .
Let's see if we can get some real communication happening .
For starts :
If it is ,as Newton reckoned, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ,it could be postulated that for our world of matter and life there would be a world of anti, or non matter and non life or death ,as the equal and opposite .

And if the theory that, energy cannot be created or destroyed but merely change its form is correct , then the thing we call our soul or persona , that we create during our lifetime , doesnt disintergrate at death , but simply changes form .

And if we also consider that life on earth gets larger as the magnetic field increases , then we are possibly the microcosm of the larger macrocosm we call the earth, created by the interface of the solar winds and the modulated effect of the magnetic field .

Then is the possibility of a parallel world from which life ebbs and flows not that ridiculous ?

Enough for now , let me know your thoughts ,
Buzz
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Well, buzz, that was a fun bit of philosophical postulation, but it did not even come close to answering my question. I guess, in order to properly approach it, I will have to back up and ask a different question, which is:

Have you ever "put a rent in the fabric of space / time," or been present when someone else did so?
 
buzz lightyear said:
Ok "Gr8wight" , enough stirring up the hornets .
Let's see if we can get some real communication happening .
For starts :
If it is ,as Newton reckoned, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ,it could be postulated that for our world of matter and life there would be a world of anti, or non matter and non life or death ,as the equal and opposite .

And if the theory that, energy cannot be created or destroyed but merely change its form is correct , then the thing we call our soul or persona , that we create during our lifetime , doesnt disintergrate at death , but simply changes form .

And if we also consider that life on earth gets larger as the magnetic field increases , then we are possibly the microcosm of the larger macrocosm we call the earth, created by the interface of the solar winds and the modulated effect of the magnetic field .

Then is the possibility of a parallel world from which life ebbs and flows not that ridiculous ?

Enough for now , let me know your thoughts ,
Buzz
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Slept through your high school physics classes eh?
 
buzz lightyear said:
What is my bitch with Randi .
I dislike bullies ,
I dislike hypocrites ,
And I dislike people "who stoop to conquer"
If Mr Randi was truely the warrior opposed to quackery then he would go after the really big fish ........ The Pope ..... this dude and his group have been fleecing the public for centuries with bogus mysticism .
And while he is at it he could have a go at the America President , he claims some extraterrestial call "god " is on his side .
The archbishop of Canterbury..........the list is endless .

Back soon
Buzz
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Get you be a bit more specific on just how Randi should go after the Pope, the President, the Archbishop of Canterbury, et al?

Because it seems to me, that if Randi did such thing then JREF would loose its status as an education organization as well as face serious legal trouble.
 
G, Day " Cuddles " . We could argue physics all day and you would probably win . . So bear with me these are just ideas not a competition .
I believe that all matter is just different states of energy . OK
So if this is the case it needs an opposing force to exist .

As for the soul . For the time being we will call this X in our equation , an unknown . The jury is still out .

From the geological records there seems to be a fluctuation in the number of species on earth corresponding to the strength of the magnetic field . Well that's what I read in the books !

The solar wind ;......... look it up in the Wikipedia .

And a question ; Do you know what this is ; 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34........

And "Gr8wight" , I have poked a hole in the " space/time" thing many times , mostly by myself , but twice with someone else .
No two experiments produced the same results but an underlying theme became apparent . It required a combination of timing ,sound , position , and an artificial induction of a death like condition . For this I usually tried to drop my body temprature a degree or two to the early stages of hyperthermia .
Buzz
 
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The solar wind ;......... look it up in the Wikipedia .
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And "Gr8wight" , I have poked a hole in the " space/time" thing many times , mostly by myself , but twice with someone else .
No two experiments produced the same results but an underlying theme became apparent . It required a combination of timing ,sound , position , and an artificial induction of a death like condition . For this I usually tried to drop my body temprature a degree or two to the early stages of hyperthermia .
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Cuddles asked if you knew what solar winds were. Do you?

Buzz lightyear, please explain in detail how you determined you "have poked a hole in the " space/time" thing many times , mostly by myself , but twice with someone else".
What kind of measures did you take to ensure it wasn't just your imagination, a delusion or a hallucination?
 
Howdy "GzuzKryzt" , I know you guys have me pegged as an illiterate moron , but believe it or not I can read .
The last time that I checked, the powers-to-be reckoned that the solar wind is a plasma of positively charged protons and negatively charged electrons and other assorted crap flailing out from the sun . So I will take them at their word .

To ensure that what I experienced wasn't a delusion I took along another person who assisted in the experiment . At the end of the day we compared notes . There were differences but there were enough similarities to conclude that it wasn't an illusion .
Buzz
 
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buzz lightyear said:
Howdy "GzuzKryzt" , I know you guys have me pegged as an illiterate moron , but believe it or not I can read .
The last time that I checked, the powers-to-be reckoned that the solar wind is a plasma of positively charged protons and negatively charged electrons and other assorted crap flailing out from the sun . So I will take them at their word .

To ensure that what I experienced wasn't a delusion I took along another person who assisted in the experiment . At the end of the day we compared notes . There were differences but there we enough similarities to conclude that it wasn't an illusion .
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So far, I have pegged you as someone who claims he has "poked a hole in the " space/time" thing many times , mostly by myself , but twice with someone else", but plays a coy game on elaborating on said claim.

Which at this point leads to me assume you do not have very much interesting stuff to say, because otherwise you already would have.
 
"Terry" as far as I know energy is vibration .
Vibration in expressed as the oscillation between two polarities .

As for the Fibonacci , was just checking to see if " Cuddles" is a blonde .
Will get back to it later .
Buzz
 
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