Debunking Popular Mechanics

kameelyun

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My first post on this site, and yes, I know this is a 9/11 conspiracy unfriendly site. This is my Amazon review and they didn't post it for a month! On the Randi Rhodes forum, a shill called "dpetonic" suggested I register here and submit my review so I can experience some first-class flames.



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Anyone who has done serious research into 9/11 will come to the inescapable conclusion that rogue elements of the government orchestrated the attacks as a false flag operation to arouse patriotism so the nation would support a war of global domination.

However, there is a very strong contingent of Americans who react emotionally, rather than rationally, to any argument suggesting government complicity on any level, let alone outright orchestration. These are the ones, who for decades, have believed America is the best thing for humanity since sliced bread. They believe our government would never murder its own people (even though they have NO trouble believing OTHER govts would kill THEIR own people), and anyone who thinks as such must be paranoid and even anti-American. Indeed, most of the positive Amazon reviews seem to be of this mentality. Such Americans, comfortable in their established paradigm of reality, will find comfort with this book.

When James Meigs, editor of PM, appears on media outlets such as the O'Reilly Factor, he reassures FOX's mainstream audience that PM is not a political organization, or an organization seeking a specific conclusion, et cetera. However, the book's foreword was written by none other than GOP darling John McCain, in which he states unequivocally: "Blaming some conspiracy within our government mars the memories of the victims... To blame not a gang of terrorists but some conspiracy for September 11 insults the police officers and firefighters who raced into the burning towers; the men and women who left for dangerous, distant lands to fight our enemies; and those who have fought in all the wars of our history." In other words, there is a political bias to this book: Questioning the true identity of the 9/11 perpetrators is tantamount to treason. All of Popular Mechanics' "evidence" defends this forgone conclusion.

Another hole in McCain's rhetoric: "To blame not a gang of terrorists but some conspiracy for September 11..." Well, first of all, REGARDLESS of WHO pulled off 9/11, they are TERRORISTS! What the victims of 9/11 experienced was terror. The terrorists might wear suits and ties, and their skin might be white, but if they are responsible for 9/11, they are terrorists. Second of all, a "conspiracy" is when two or more people agree in secret to do something illegal and/or immoral. So UNLESS ONE AND ONLY ONE PERSON pulled off 9/11... it was a "conspiracy." What's deeply sad here is the subtle racism: When McCain says "terrorists" he means "those brown guys that wear those funny turbans and bandanas." Little wonder then, that in the Iraq run-up, most of America couldn't see the difference between "Osama" and "Saddam."

As far as the book itself is concerned, the only instances in which it does correctly expose erroneous 9/11 Truth arguments are when the original arguments were "straw men." In this instance, a "straw man" is when a true conclusion (9/11 was an inside job) is supported by bogus or unsubstantiated evidence. Once the particular erroneous argument is debunked, some will conclude that ALL arguments in the Truth Movement have been debunked, or can be debunked just as easily. In other words, the "straw man" ends up smearing the whole movement in the minds of many Truth Seekers. The most classic example is the "pod theory," which asserts that a missile pod was attached to the underbelly of the plane the hit the second tower, and that based on frame-by-frame analysis of the impact, a "flash" can be seen a millisecond before contact. This argument was popularized in the first major 9/11 conspiracy video "In Plane Site," a film which was a breakthrough in 2004 but is now considered old hat, especially as portions of it have been discredited.

However, PM is much less convincing, and much more transparent as a private-sector front for a government propaganda report, when it tries to explain how fire brought down the WTC buildings. The editors flat-out lie when they say that WTC7 was massively damaged when the damage was only minimal, especially in contrast to WTCs 3, 4, 5, and 6. What's funny is that even the govt's own report, the NIST report, admits that the "fire theory" was especially unlikely for WTC7. However, PM attempts to convince the reader that debris from the Twin Towers created an internal fire in WTC7, which ignited several fuel tanks in the basement, causing the steel structure to collapse. If the reader chooses to believe this (because s/he doesn't want to believe that the govt caused 9/11), well, that proves that ultimately it's all about what a person is willing to believe. However, to watch a video of the collapse of WTC7 and not realize it's controlled demolition, well, you are wearing blinders of denial.

Popular Mechanics, in attempting to cover up the WTC towers' collapse, purports that gravity caused the buildings to weaken and fall. However, they do not account for not only the very rapid collapses (if they weren't EXACTLY free-fall speed, they were close enough), but more importantly, the fact that most all the concrete was pulverized into a very fine dust, coating all of Lower Manhattan in a nuclear winter.

Here's another good example of a straw man, in which PM distorts what truth seekers say: PM says (I'm paraphrasing here), "The conspiracy theorists claim that the towers fell into their own footprint like a demolition. This is not true. Look at the South Tower. The top clearly falls over sideways." This distortion is a classic example of PM's "debunking." First: yes, the top of the South Tower did break off and fall sideways. This, however, raises a major problem for defenders of the official collapse theory: If the collapse was a progressive, gravity-induced collapse, and if the top of a tower broke off and fell sideways, where is the massive weight to supposedly pulverize the rest of the building, evenly and symmetrically, from the top down, into nothingness?

Another outright lie concerns the thoroughness of our air defense system. PM claims that only one airplane (Payne Stewart's ill-fated private jet) was intercepted in the decade prior to 9/11. Not true. Sixty-seven of them occurred in just the one year before 9/11 alone. The 'one intercept' lie serves to back another one of PM's lies: that the Airforce was previously only trained to handle foreign attacks, coming from beyond our borders, and that the U.S. continental mainland was a defenseless donut-hole. Blatant falsehood.

To conclude, not much can be said that wasn't already at the top of my review. This book is for those grasping at straws, desparate to cling to anything that defends the official, commonly accepted account of 9/11. True researchers see it as such.
 
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There are many problems, invalid assumptions, and outright falsehoods in your OP.

I'll let those more qualified articulate why.

Added: are you speaking in your own voice, or just cutting an pasting what you read on a website?
 
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There are many problems, invalid assumptions, and outright falsehoods in your OP.

I'll let those more qualified articulate why.

Added: are you speaking in your own voice, or just cutting an pasting what you read on a website?

My own voice. I did lots of reading and then put it all into my own words... just like they teach you in school when you write a book report or research paper... though I think I am paraphrasing Alex Jones when I say "GOP darling John McCain."

You sure read my review very quickly, having replied within a minute of my posting.
 
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Kameelyun

Welcome. It may be helpful in moving this discussion forward if I paraphrase one of my fellow posters:

Present us your theory about what hapennd on 9/11.

This includes at least:

- What flew into the towers.

- Why did they fall

- In case of controlled demolition: please show how the buildings where prepped, how it was possible to do that within the time limits, why nobody saw the prepped walls, how the dynamite and the wires survived the planes' impacts and why no traces of dynamite were found afterwards.

- Please explain why such a destruction would work without the slightest problems even though there has never been any building brought down that was even nearly as large as the towers, everything was done in a rush and therefore had to been done very sloppy, and even though everything went perfect.

- What flew into Pentagon

- Does that match with the eyewitnesses observations?

- What was the purpose of the attack?

- Who is involved into the conspiracy?

- How have the engineering communities across the globe been silenced?

- What do you think happened to WTC7?

This just to start with.

Please explain in detail and with your own words. No links to CT sites accepted. Any articles, etc. will be checked in order to ensure quotes are accurate. Any calculations will be checked. Unsupported speculation will be ignored.

Are you up to the challenge?
 
just like they teach you in school when you write a book report or research paper...

Im assuming you were also at school the day they taught you about backing any claim you make with evidence that supports your claim. For example;

Another outright lie concerns the thoroughness of our air defense system. PM claims that only one airplane (Payne Stewart's ill-fated private jet) was intercepted in the decade prior to 9/11. Not true. Sixty-seven of them occurred in just the one year before 9/11 alone.
You say 67 aircraft were intecepted BUT you provide no footnotes that would back this claim up.

So can you provide evidence that would support your claim that 67 planes were intecepted the year before?

Note, you may not use links to 9/11 conspiracist websites as proof to back your claims up.

Mailman
 
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The editors flat-out lie when they say that WTC7 was massively damaged when the damage was only minimal, especially in contrast to WTCs 3, 4, 5, and 6.

Well, welcome to the forum kameelyun, but unfortunately I only got this far in your prose.

You accuse the PM editors of lying when they say that wtc7 was massively damaged, and yet you yourself make an unsubstantiated claim that the damage was minimal.

You have your mind made up already.

I think you should pause and consider that building are not designed to sustain structural damage.

True, the design would take into account all of the hazards a building would be expected to endure during it's life, and these may include hurricanes, fires, flooding and maybe even earthquakes.

But buildings are not generally designed to sustain structural damage which might occur from the collapse of a massive structure in the vicinity.

So the mere fact that wtc7 did sustain some damage (regardless of the degree) and was on fire (again, regardless of the degree) mean it is safe to assume that whatever redundancy was built into the design was now coming in to play.

If WTC7 was a pristine structure totally unaffected by the collapse of the WTC towers, I would agree that it's demise would be suspicious.

But it wasn't.

Now, you have to have detailed knowledge of just what damage was sustained, how widespread the fires were and be a competent structural engineer before I will take on board any notion that WTC7 collapsed due to anything other than dmage and fire.

Why?

Well, because, as I have said, WTC was NOT in pristine condition. That fact alone points towards the damage it sustained being the reason for it's collapse. That may be boring to you and may contradict whatever version of common sense you're applying to this, but it is an inescapable fact that WTC7 had sustained damage during the collapse of the towers.

Comparing WTC7 to other buildings is also wrong and, quite frankly, lazy.

Buildings have their weak points and their strong points. Prove to me that WTC7 could not have suffered damage sufficient to bring it down and I will listen.

But you wont be able to becuase neither you or I know precisely what damage it did suffer.

All we do know is that it was damaged, and then it collapsed.

To suggest that some kind of conspiracy had it brought down by CD in those circumstances seems rather silly.
 
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kameelyun: Welcome to the forum.

I will summarize your comments here:
A ton of unsubstantiated claims. No evidence, no detailed analysis.
I suggest you return with something of substance. Should you be able to do that, you will find this forum a great place for debate. If instead, you choose just to spout out claims, without evidence, your time will be less enjoyable.
 
and if this is a review for the book on amazon.com then it should be deleted. You're not commenting on the book btw...youre commenting on the issues they address.
 
First of all, welcome kameelyun. You won't get flamed here as long as you stick to evidence and not what things "seem to be".

The editors flat-out lie when they say that WTC7 was massively damaged when the damage was only minimal, especially in contrast to WTCs 3, 4, 5, and 6.

However, to watch a video of the collapse of WTC7 and not realize it's controlled demolition, well, you are wearing blinders of denial.

...but more importantly, the fact that most all the concrete was pulverized into a very fine dust, coating all of Lower Manhattan in a nuclear winter.

Might I ask you:

1. What expertise do you have in structural engineering, demolitions and/or firefighting?
2. Were you in NYC on September 11, 2001 or shortly afterwards and did you witness the damage to lower Manhattan with your own eyes?
3. Have you done ANY research on your own or do you only rely on what you have read on the Internet?
 
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My first post on this site, and yes, I know this is a 9/11 conspiracy unfriendly site. This is my Amazon review and they didn't post it for a month! On the Randi Rhodes forum, a shill called "dpetonic" suggested I register here and submit my review so I can experience some first-class flames.
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Anyone who has done serious research into 9/11 will come to the inescapable conclusion that rogue elements of the government orchestrated the attacks as a false flag operation to arouse patriotism so the nation would support a war of global domination...
Hey Kameelyun! You know who this is, don't you? It's yer old "shill" buddy from the Randi Rhodes forum! C'mon. You've got to update your routine - calling us shills is passe, didn't the other twoofers tell you? We are ALL on the direct payroll of the NWO and proudly declare that, in public. Shills are stealthy, sneaky little runts and far beneath us. We're so powerful - we don't need to hide!

Anyway, just addressing one of your paragraphs: Lots of people have done serious research into 9/11. One of the biggest is right here, Gravy, I'm sure you've heard of him. He did not come to your inescapable conclusion that 9/11 was an "inside job". What'd he, and us, miss? Please list out the "rogue elements": Names, titles, role(s) played, and of course, who can forget the hardcore, solid evidence to back this up. You know. Evidence that would stand the tough scrutiny of a court proceeding here in the terrific United States.
 
Welcome kameelyun!

I'll mention one specific claim you make:

Another outright lie concerns the thoroughness of our air defense system. PM claims that only one airplane (Payne Stewart's ill-fated private jet) was intercepted in the decade prior to 9/11. Not true. Sixty-seven of them occurred in just the one year before 9/11 alone.
You accuse PM of lying, but provide no evidence whatsoever for your counterclaim. This is not the way things should be done.

Before you try to prove your claim, please read this.
 
I knew this would be the kind of flaming I would receive.

What exactly are "conspiracy theory" websites?

The NIST and FEMA sites giving everyone's beloved "debris and fire" hypothesis - those themselves are CT sites! They back up the "official" conspiracy theory.

Popular Mechanics uses the 911-commission.gov as a source to back up its claims. That right there completely discredits it as "nonpolitical!"

As a truth seeker, I am not required to have all the answers. This is why we're calling for a fresh investigation.

The amout of swift responses I received here means I must have ruffled some feathers!

Cheers!
 
As a truth seeker, I am not required to have all the answers.
As a "truth seeker" you are required not to accuse people of lying without evidence.

The amout of swift responses I received here means I must have ruffled some feathers!
No. It means that we have seen this stuff many times before!

Please, stop the posturing, and start providing EVIDENCE for your claims. That's the game here.
 
I knew this would be the kind of flaming I would receive.

Perhaps you are new to the Internet. Flaming is when a poster is deliberately hostile and insulting. No one has flamed you in these first few posts. All we ask for here is evidence.
 
As I've pointed out to others who criticize the PM article and book: There were nearly 300 people who worked on the article. Researchers, engineers, demolitions experts, metalurgists, and other people with an appropriate field of expertise. None of whom has objected to the article as it was printed. This would mean, if your accusations are correct, that PM found 300 people who have no problem with covering up the murder of 3000 people by the gov't.

BTW, welcome to the forum.
 
I knew this would be the kind of flaming I would receive.

What exactly are "conspiracy theory" websites?

The NIST and FEMA sites giving everyone's beloved "debris and fire" hypothesis - those themselves are CT sites! They back up the "official" conspiracy theory.

Popular Mechanics uses the 911-commission.gov as a source to back up its claims. That right there completely discredits it as "nonpolitical!"

As a truth seeker, I am not required to have all the answers. This is why we're calling for a fresh investigation.

The amout of swift responses I received here means I must have ruffled some feathers!

Cheers!
Boy, your toned turned nasty in three easy posts. I don't see a lot of flaming going on; mostly just a lot of "you said this..., so where's your evidence?"

By the way, for the claims you made in your opening post, where's your evidence? Why not pick out just one of the claims for now, and let it and your evidence lead a friendly discussion?
 

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