A Guide for the Undecided. Brief Analysis of Common Theories Part 2: The Pentagon

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Thanks to encouraging feedback, I have made a sequel.

This is an analysis of theories surrounding The Pentagon in 9/11. This analysis is not taking into account every single small theory. This is a collection of most common theories and their explanations.

Again I have included an "In Brief" section to each theory, so people won't have to click thousands of links to get information and to keep new readers from exhausting with a huge amount of information. Everything is packed into one single post and everything is linked to further reading.

Here goes Part Two, The Pentagon.




Pentagon

  • Claim: The hole in Pentagon is too small to be caused by a Plane.
Discussed here:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6
http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-photos.html
In Brief: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings. Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building.



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  • Claim: There was no identifiable plane debris at Pentagon. The small amount of debris found could be carried away by hand.
Discussed here:
http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html
http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf
In Brief: There definitely was plane debris at the site. The impact damage also fit that of an Airplane. The plane travelling at a very high speed and hitting a hard wall creates a huge impact force. This force destroys everything into small pieces.

Consider this:

There was debris. If it was carried there before the attack, all the people driving past Pentagon could have caught them redhanded. If it was carried there after the attack, the focus of all the people on the motorway was already at Pentagon. The debris could not have been carried there before or afterwards. A Plane crashed there.

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  • Claim: A Missile hit The Pentagon.
Discussed here:
http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf
http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/witness.html
In Brief: The number of eyewitnesses mentioning a plane is huge. The number of eyewitnesses mentioning a missile is zero. The impact damage fits that of a plane.

Pentagon is located in a big city. Pentagon is close to a busy motorway. Could anyone hit Pentagon with a missile, claim it to be a plane and get away with it without risking the operation? No.

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  • Claim: How could the passengers be identified if the plane was so destroyed? / There were no passengers.
Discussed here:
http://www.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary_archives/stories/112901/12279-1.shtml
http://www.911myths.com/html/bodies_identified.html
In Brief: What some experts have called "the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history" ended Nov. 16 with the identification of 184 of the 189 who died in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.

Teams of forensic scientists, under the direction of Demris Lee, technical leader of the Nuclear DNA Section, took over the difficult chore of generating a DNA profile of the victims. Their work included not only the Pentagon crash victims, but the victims of the Somerset County crash as well. Every one of the organization's 102 DNA analysts, sample processors, logistics staff, and administrative personnel were involved -- from collecting, tracking, analyzing DNA samples, and gathering and logging DNA reference material to preparing DNA reports. For 18 days following the terrorist attacks, AFDIL employees worked on 12-hour shifts, seven days a week to meet the mission requirements.

There were the bodies and passengers we are told to. Or the 102 analysts are in on the conspiracy. Which one is more likely?

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  • Claim: A Video clearly showing Pentagon hit has not been released.
Discussed here:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html
http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69799&highlight=doubletree
http://www.flight77.info/maguire.htm
In Brief: Video showing the impact from the Pentagon Checkpoint has been released. Video showing the fireball from the Doubletree Hotel camera has been released.

Videos have been evidence for the Moussaoui trial, thus not released until 2006. FBI has said 85 videos are in their possession but a huge majority of them shows neither the site, or the impact. Or show the area only after the impact. Only a couple of them show anything at all.

Surveillance cameras are not 24 frames per second cameras and they are not located in anticipation of an airline attack. We have already seen the impact from one angle and the fireball from two angles. We know there was a plane from all the evidence and eyewitnesses above. Why would we still need to see a crystal clear video?

Remember. If there was a clear video, conspiracy theorists would say it was manipulated and photoshopped. That has already been stated by the likes of David Ray Griffin and others. There is always a conspiracy theory.

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  • Claim: The Flight 77 Flight Data Recorder data is faked.
Discussed here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66047
http://www.ntsb.gov/info/AAL77_fdr.pdf
In Brief: Simply. It is not faked. The analysis claiming it's fake do not take into account everything needed. The data verifies everything about plane hitting the Pentagon.

Why would they leave fake information to be found at the Pentagon, then release it to the public for scrutiny?

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  • Claim: The fallen light poles are suspicious.
Discussed here:
http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/witness.html
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69943&highlight=pentagon+lightpoles
In Brief: Multiple eyewitnesses have witnessed the plane hitting the light poles.

Consider the following:

How could a missile clip light poles? We have all the evidence and eyewitnesses supporting a plane. Why would they have to fake a light pole story? What purpose would that serve?

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  • Claim: Hani Hanjour could not pilot the plane into the Pentagon, making such difficult turns.
Discussed here:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html
http://www.911myths.com/Another_Expert.pdf
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/05/19/askthepilot186/
In Brief: Hani Hanjour's flying was hardly the show-quality demonstration often described. The manoeuvres required of the hijackers were within their capabilities, they were performed without any degree of finesse and resulted in damage to the targets only after desperate overmanoeuvring of the planes. Landing a plane is difficult. Flying it into something is easier.

An amateur pilot in Holland was able to hit Pentagon 3/3 times, when he tried it with a simulator. Hanjour had enough skills to fly a plane. He didn't have to land.
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  • Claim: Pentagon had missile batteries to protect it.
Discussed here:
http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon_missile_batteries.html
In Brief: If they did exist then wouldn’t you have expected Pentagon employees to also have raised this question?

An automatic shoot-down of anything that violated the Pentagon airspace is not possible. The Pentagon is located very close to the approach for Washingtons Ronald Reagan airport.

There has not been any reports of an existence of any missile batteries before 9/11.

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  • Claim: Why did the hijackers hit the only part of The Pentagon that was recently renovated?
Discussed here:
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/projects.htm
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/projects-W1.htm
In Brief: What actually WAS renovated was Wedge 1. Not the entire side of the Pentagon.

Pentagon consists of 5 Wedges, which consist of a corner and half the length of one side of the Pentagon to both directions from the corner.

Wedge 1, approximately 1 million square feet, was the first fifth of above ground space in the Pentagon to undergo renovation. Structural demolition and the abatement of hazardous materials began in 1998, followed by the installation of new utilities and the build-out of tenant areas. A phased move-in of tenants began in February 2000, with the last tenant move-in completed February 6, 2003.

So the plane hit the side of the Pentagon, which consisted of Wedge 1 to the right of the impact zone and Wedge 2 to the left of the impact zone.

http://renovation.pentagon.mil/wedge2-5/Wedge2-5compldiagram_web.jpg

The whole Pentagon is undergoing renovation. That part was renovated first, because it is Wedge Number 1. It was also on a direct flight path of the plane.

There is nothing strange about this.


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Recommended reading for the interested:

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf
http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon.html
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64
http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/witness.html
http://www.ntsb.gov/info/AAL77_fdr.pdf


See also:
A Guide for the Undecided part 1: WTC
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74652
 
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Thanks guys :)

I clarify one thing. I said that the number of eyewitnesses mentioning a missile is zero. By that I really mean EYEwitnesses, people who SAW what happened.

These are the quotes that mention a word missile, but they are from people who didn't see what happened, or were describing the plane with that word:

"It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," Creed recalls.
- Dan Creed

"Suddenly, an airplane roared into view, nearly shearing the roof off the trailer before slamming into the E ring. 'It sounded like a missile,' DiPaula recalls."
- Michael DiPaula

"At that moment I heard a very loud, quick whooshing sound that began behind me and stopped suddenly in front of me and to my left. In fractions of a second I heard the impact and an explosion. The next thing I saw was the fireball. I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast it sounded nothing like an airplane."
- Lon Rains

"I looked out my window and I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, 'This doesn't add up, it's really low.' "And I saw it. I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings. It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon."
- Mike Walter

"We heard what sounded like a missile, then we heard a loud boom," said Tom Seibert, 33, a network engineer at the Pentagon."
- Tom Seibert

"Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror- struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction. It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at a steep angle--almost like a heat-seeking missile was locked onto its target and staying dead on course..."
- Joel Sucherman

"At that point I realized - you see at that point I didn't know it was a plane, I thought it was a missile strike - how dangerous things were."
- Tony Terronez

"The plane looked as if it were coming in for a landing - cruising at a shallow angle, wings level, very steady. But, strangely, the landing gear was up and the flaps weren't down. I knew what was about to happen, but my brain couldn't quite process the information. Like the other commuters on the road, I was stunned into disbelief. The fireball that erupted upon impact blossomed skyward, and the blast hit us in a wave. I don't remember hearing a sound. It was so eerily similar to another experience during the Gulf War - a missile strike that killed a Marine in my unit"
- Phillip Thompson

 
I missed Part 2 earlier. Great work, ref!
 
The chances of hitting any wedge or any side of the Pentagon is one in five - 20%.

Excellent work, ref!
 
This is DA BOMB, ref. I'd love to see this put up where zillions can see it, like a webpage or a Wikipedia entry.
 
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