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You Can't Fly A 757 Like That!
I know we've well and truely debunked this claim, but it's always fun to add some more nails to the coffin...
For all those who make claims about the impossibility of maneouvering AA77 the way Hanjour did... these should do the trick:
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God, look at the climbout in the second video
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The OP reminded me of this film of a 707 rolling by a test pilot (a chandelle actually - which is only 1g - but impressive)
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Oh by the way, both of those vids are courtesy of the Royal New Zealand Air Force...
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wow.
did you notice how noisy that was? |
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does anyone care to post this or give Russ the ammunition to use against lytebrite and merc about their so called witnesses "hearing" that day?
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Any idea how fast those flybys were?
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A plane can't do that!
Slightly OT- but here's another example of what a passenger jet "can't do" (which really just mean that the layman rarely sees it happen).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVV3SNCvXEs Due to the fact that there is such a strong crosswind when these planes are attempting to land, the pilot has to "lean into" the wind in order to compensate- so as to not be blown off the runway. Passenger aircraft have landing gear that can angle significantly to perform this maneuver so that when the plane touches down, the landing gear are pointing forward and will right the plane on the centerline of the runway. An odd looking event, but not something that's impossible or unheard of. |
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But then, if people think it rarely happens, they have obviously never been to Wellington ![]()
Note most of the aircraft are Air NZ; when it's rough the international pilots usually chicken out and divert to Palmerston North or Christchurch. -Gumboot |
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man, i can't imagine being a passenger in one of those planes. FORGET Cedar point and its rollercoasters!
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Bad crosswinds during recent storms in Europe:
Were I on that plane, I would immediately require new underwear. |
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some of the scenes in that looks like a nice spring/winter day on the Pali Look-Out
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It would be even more powerful if it had Rolls Royce Trent engines instead of the RB211's.
The RB211-535e produces 40,100lbf The Trent 900 used on the A380 can produce 76,000 lbf of thrust! Just for comparison, the Rolls Royce / Snecma Olympus series engines used on the Super Sonic Transport (Concorde) produced approximately 30,610 lbf of thrust and that is with afterburners. The 757 is fly by wire, the flying conditions that day were perfect, and with power like that, damaging the pentagon would have been a doddle. |
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I always thought the "you can't fly a plane like that" argument was pretty weak. I used to live in the Seattle area and the Boeing employees there (and they were legion) used to tell stories about test pilots doing barrel rolls in 757's. I don't know if that's true, but given the video of the 707 doing one, I wouldn't be surprised.
ETA: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine...stpilot30.html In this news story, they say that modern test pilots turn the big planes upside down "accidentally". Suuuuure it's an accident. |
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Every time I see the OP for this, I hear some redneck going "Oh yeah? Hold muh beer! Watch this!"
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Very intresting videos, thanks for posting them. The conspiracy liars would reply with, "Well only an experienced pilot could do those manuvers, not someone like Hani Hanjour."
My theory, and it's only a theory, is that Hani Hanjour was indeed a horrible pilot and that it was a pure accident that he hit The Pentagon. I think the target building for AA77 was either The Capital Building or The White House. Hanjour missed and instead hit The Pentagon. He could have as easily hit The Bureau of Printing and Engraving. Why do I think this? For those you not familiar with the layout of Washington DC, look at a Google Earth map of the area. How long does it take you to find the The Capital Building, The White House and The Pentagon? I bet it takes much, much longer to find The Pentagon. Now imagine Hani Hanjour doing the same thing. The Pentagon was a too difficult target. Of course since everyone on the flight died we will never no for sure what AA77's target was, but there is no conclusive evidence it was The Pentagon. |
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The selection of targets by Al Qaeda is actually pretty well documented. KSM chose two and OBL chose two. I believe OBL wanted to hit The Pentagon and the White House, however it was concluded that the White House would be far too difficult to hit, being rather small and low to the ground. So instead it was chosen that the targets would be the Capitol and The Pentagon. The Pentagon would actually be exceedingly easy to locate. Not only is it the largest office building in the world, but well, it's in the shape of a giant frikken pentagon! KSM chose the two towers as his preferred targets. Furthermore, we know that AA77's target was The Pentagon and UA93's target was the Capitol Building. -Gumboot |
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There is no question a 757 is capable of the maneuver made at the Pentagon. And there is no question AAL77 did indeed hit the Pentagon.
The real question is, who-- or what-- was flying AAL77 when it hit the Pentagon. |
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![]() Our airforce used to operate the Hawker Siddeley Andover which was a STOL aircraft with the second largest prop blades of any aeroplane in the world. Taking off in one of them in STOL format is a pretty weird feeling. It actually takes off so steeply that the wings are completely stalled. The props become like helicopter rotors and just pull the aircraft into the air. -Gumboot |
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Watching those I can easily see how all those witnesses at the Pentagon could have mistaken a 20 ft long cruise missile, or a propeller driven Predator UAV for a 757. /end sarc
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I drive by a railroad yard every day on my way to work. Occasionally, there are 737 bodies on cars, on their way to Wichita for assembly. Way smaller than a 757 or 767. Yeah, I could see how you could mistake that for a missle (not!). I've seen a few missles up close & personal, and to think you could mistake something that small for something as large as a commercial aircraft, even a small commercial jet, is absurd!
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And using the example of New York, the cameras in Washington would have been out in force expecting the second attack. And worldwide we would have seen live footage of United 93 screaming down the Mall and taking out the Rotunda.
That was what the passengers of United 93 stopped from happening. You wish people would leave the word "diabolical" alone so that it could be properly employed to things like this. |
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