Browne wrong again: The Pope

Questioninggeller · 21st March 2007, 11:52 PM

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THE MONTEL WILLIAMS SHOW

SHOW: The Montel Williams Show (5:00 PM ET) - SYND

December 31, 2003 Wednesday

LENGTH: 8066 words

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HOST: Montel Williams

SYLVIA PREDICTS: 2004

EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Montel Williams, Diane Rappoport

MONTEL WILLIAMS: What does the new year have in store for all of us?

Announcer: The answers from psychic Sylvia Browne. From Ashton and Demi to Arnold and Maria, to Ben and Jen, Sylvia sees what's in the stars for Hollywood's brightest stars. Plus a shocking vision of trouble from a country on the other side of the world.
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WILLIAMS: Absolutely. And more than four in 10 people said that they've attended religious services in the past week. Ask--answer this one. What about the pope this year?

Ms. BROWNE: He's going to die. He's going to die.

WILLIAMS: And what's...

Ms. BROWNE: I don't think you have to be too psychic to figure that out.

WILLIAMS: OK.

Ms. BROWNE: But I think within the next year or two we're going to have a black pope.

WILLIAMS: Really? So what, if the pope dies and they elect--OK, it's got to be that one.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, and then after that, they're going to have a triumvirate of popes, which is something they've never had before.

WILLIAMS: Three popes in the same office?

Ms. BROWNE: Three popes, yeah.

WILLIAMS: Wow. Isn't that going to kind of like throw the Catholic Church into something, whatever?

Ms. BROWNE: What hasn't?
...

Let's recap:
1) Browne said the Pope was going to die and admits its not much of a psychic prediction.
2) This was a prediction for 2004, John Paul II died in April 2005.
3) Claims there is going to be a black pope.
4) Claims there is going to be three popes.

She was right regarding #1 in some aspect.

Mobyseven · 21st March 2007, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Questioninggeller

Let's recap:
1) Browne said the Pope was going to die and admits its not much of a psychic prediction.
2) This was a prediction for 2004, John Paul II died in April 2005.
3) Claims there is going to be a black pope.
4) Claims there is going to be three popes.

She was right regarding #1 in some aspect.

No she's not. She predicted John Paul II would die in 2004. He died in 2005.

That's not close. That's wrong.

Questioninggeller · 22nd March 2007, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Mobyseven

No she's not. She predicted John Paul II would die in 2004. He died in 2005.

That's not close. That's wrong.

I meant that "predicting" John Paul II was going to die was not much of a psychic prediction.

RenaissanceBiker · 22nd March 2007, 05:27 AM

Cheese and Rice! Pope Benedict is actually 3 black men!

Freethinker · 22nd March 2007, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by RenaissanceBiker

Cheese and Rice! Pope Benedict is actually 3 black men!

Technically, I think only one of him has to be black for her prediction to be true. I hope neither of the other two is a racist!

Freethinker · 22nd March 2007, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by Mobyseven

No she's not. She predicted John Paul II would die in 2004. He died in 2005.

That's not close. That's wrong.

You are thinking rationally. Start thinking like a believer. He was very ill in 2004, so ill that he probably wasn't running things. Therefore, as the pope, he died in 2004. See how easy it is for her to be right!

HarryKeogh · 22nd March 2007, 06:56 AM

Pope was the name of her dog. As 2004 was drawing to a close she strangled the dog to death at 11:45 PM on December 31st just so she could say she was right.

Darth Rotor · 22nd March 2007, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Mobyseven

That's not close. That's wrong.

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and admits its not much of a psychic prediction

That was accurate.

It is also how I read "partly right on number 1" rather than the part about the Pope dying.

FWIW

DR

Mobyseven · 22nd March 2007, 07:01 AM

My bad. Reading comprehension and all that jazz.

My theory is that if Obama gets elected, Browne will say that she got her important leaders mixed up and that she meant a black president.

Darth Rotor · 22nd March 2007, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Mobyseven

My bad. Reading comprehension and all that jazz.

My theory is that if Obama gets elected, Browne will say that she got her important leaders mixed up and that she meant a black president.

President, pope, what's the diff? At least the president does not have to wear a hat.

DR

Mobyseven · 22nd March 2007, 07:10 AM

The pope understands evolution better than the president does. Well, John Paul II did anyway...

Spektator · 22nd March 2007, 08:01 AM

Geez Louise, I can do the same thing: Pope Benedict is going to die.

Just wait and see.....

Carnivore · 22nd March 2007, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

President, pope, what's the diff? At least the president does not have to wear a hat.

DR

He should though. Everyone should wear a hat. Things are much better ( or at least more stylish) when people wear hats. Hats for all!

CFLarsen · 22nd March 2007, 08:40 AM

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WILLIAMS: Absolutely. And more than four in 10 people said that they've attended religious services in the past week. Ask--answer this one. What about the pope this year?

Ms. BROWNE: He's going to die. He's going to die.

WILLIAMS: And what's...

Ms. BROWNE: I don't think you have to be too psychic to figure that out.

WILLIAMS: OK.

Ms. BROWNE: But I think within the next year or two we're going to have a black pope.

WILLIAMS: Really? So what, if the pope dies and they elect--OK, it's got to be that one.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, and then after that, they're going to have a triumvirate of popes, which is something they've never had before.

WILLIAMS: Three popes in the same office?

Ms. BROWNE: Three popes, yeah.

Oh, yeah?

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"The Catholic Church will have only one more Pope after John Paul II."
Sylvia Browne Predictions for 1998

Alareth · 22nd March 2007, 08:45 AM

I'm sure that somebody with the last name Pope died in 2004. Sylvia was just confused about his improtance

zombiebex · 22nd March 2007, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Oh, yeah?

ooooo...

I for one would LOVE to see more contridictions in her predictions.

Questioninggeller · 22nd March 2007, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Alareth

I'm sure that somebody with the last name Pope died in 2004. Sylvia was just confused about his improtance

and with a first name "The".

Alareth · 22nd March 2007, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Questioninggeller

and with a first name "The".

I willing to bet that if my last name was Pope I'd have at least one smartass friend that would call me "The" Pope.

Minarvia · 22nd March 2007, 03:15 PM

Was that Montel show the same one where she said breast cancer would be a thing of the past? I don't have any old shows on tape, but I could swear that one year while watching her on Montel she stated that. Of course that is bull, and breast cancer awareness and trying for a cure of still cruising along years after (I think) she said it would end.

Questioninggeller · 22nd March 2007, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Minarvia

Was that Montel show the same one where she said breast cancer would be a thing of the past? I don't have any old shows on tape, but I could swear that one year while watching her on Montel she stated that. Of course that is bull, and breast cancer awareness and trying for a cure of still cruising along years after (I think) she said it would end.

Different show, back in 2001:

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From 12/31/01, Sylvia Browne's Predictions For the New Year
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WILLIAMS: What do you expect in this coming year in breakthroughs as far as medicine? You say breast cancer. What else?

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. Breast cancer, and there's going to--see, what we're going to see is an awful lot of not only the natural hormone treatment is going to come, but we're going to see all kinds of cells, you know what I mean, from the embryotic--embryotic cells.

WILLIAMS: But now that's been banned here in America, Sylvia.

Ms. BROWNE: Well, yes, but you see what's going to happen is people are going to go outside of America and do it.

WILLIAMS: Do it anyway.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: So we're going to get breakthroughs from that in this next calendar year.

Ms. BROWNE: Exactly.
...

wahrheit · 22nd March 2007, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

President, pope, what's the diff?

Sure there's a difference. Technically, the pope is running a monarchy, not a theocracy.

pspaddict · 22nd March 2007, 04:06 PM

I remember Browne saying John Paul II would die "next year" on the Montel Show. This was around 2000. She's been predicting his death for years. She got one thing right: he died. She just wasn't right about when. Seeing how John Paul II had been dying right in front of our eyes for years she saw it as a good bet he would croke any minute, and even in rational, common sense stuff she failed by years.

Questioninggeller · 22nd March 2007, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by pspaddict

I remember Browne saying John Paul II would die "next year" on the Montel Show. This was around 2000. She's been predicting his death for years. She got one thing right: he died. She just wasn't right about when. Seeing how John Paul II had been dying right in front of our eyes for years she saw it as a good bet he would croke any minute, and even in rational, common sense stuff she failed by years.

Yes, she's had been saying the Pope was going to die for a long time.

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Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)

January 4, 2000 Tuesday, FINAL / ALL

SECTION: METRO; Pg. 1B

LENGTH: 635 words

HEADLINE: COLUMNIST WILL REVEAL HE IS ELVIS' LOVE CHILD

BYLINE: by JOE DIRCK

BODY:
The future, the future, the future. That's all anyone seems to be talking about lately. But before we bid farewell to the'90s (say, what do we call this new decade, anyway? The Zeros?), I would like to pause for a moment to look back at some of the truly remarkable events that took place in the 10 years just past.

For instance, how about those Russian cosmonauts discovering that abandoned alien spaceship with the bodies of several extraterrestrials on board? And wasn't it something the way the Cuban government was overthrown and Fidel Castro imprisoned? California, of course, is still recovering from those terrible earthquakes that turned L.A. and San Diego into islands. And in South Carolina, they're trying to clean up the mess caused by that teenager who built a homemade nuclear bomb and accidentally detonated it.
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This dismal track record comes as no surprise to science and medical writer Gene Emery, who has been monitoring psychic predictions for 20 years, and for the last several years, publishing his findings annually in the magazine Skeptical Inquirer.

This year, like every other year he has checked, the psychics' batting average was abysmal. The only accurate forecasts were those so vague and ambiguous they could hardly miss, as when psychic Sylvia Browne boldly predicted: "The pope will become ill [in 1999] and could die." Ms. Browne also went out on a limb last year to predict, with uncanny accuracy: "The world will not end anytime soon."
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But no matter how many times they are debunked, the psychics can always count on the gullible coming back for more. Just wait until you see what they dream up for the Zeros.

And that's a prediction you can take to the bank.

Stellafane · 22nd March 2007, 04:23 PM

I gotta ask: Why does Sylvia make such wacky and specific predictions? Usually psychics say stuff real ambiguous like "we will lose someone important in the near future," which can be retrofitted to almost anything -- some famous person dying, or leaving office, or retiring, or just going on an extended vacation. But Sylvia keeps making these far-out predictions that have almost no chance of ever coming true.

I can only think of two reasons for this: (1) She's gone crazy, or (2) She has so little respect for her followers because she knows she could say the sky is orange and the earth is flat, and they'll still overlook it.

Dean Morrison · 22nd March 2007, 04:34 PM

Did she say whether he went to heaven or not??

CFLarsen · 22nd March 2007, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Stellafane

I gotta ask: Why does Sylvia make such wacky and specific predictions? Usually psychics say stuff real ambiguous like "we will lose someone important in the near future," which can be retrofitted to almost anything -- some famous person dying, or leaving office, or retiring, or just going on an extended vacation. But Sylvia keeps making these far-out predictions that have almost no chance of ever coming true.

I can only think of two reasons for this: (1) She's gone crazy, or (2) She has so little respect for her followers because she knows she could say the sky is orange and the earth is flat, and they'll still overlook it.

It's the power.

She just doesn't care. It's not about the money, or whether her predictions are correct or not.

She just wants to see how far she can take it, only to laugh at those who buy into her crap.

Jeff Corey · 22nd March 2007, 04:38 PM

The Earth isn't flat? Who'da thunk it. And the sky is orange. On Vulcan.

RSLancastr · 22nd March 2007, 05:13 PM

Yes, an article about Browne's "Pope Predictions" has been on my to-do list for a while.

I received an email from someone who said that the correspondant's daughter had attended one of Browne's performances when the Pope was on his deathbed.

At one point in the show, Browne suddenly stopped, made a "concentrating" face, and said "The Pope just died." The audience gasped.

The Pope didn't die for another two days.

Nice try, though.

Zep · 22nd March 2007, 05:21 PM

Sylvia Brown (standing at the sink): "If they're buying, I'm selling!"

(Thanks, Rob!)

Questioninggeller · 22nd March 2007, 05:34 PM

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New York in Quarantine? Failed Psychic Predictions for 1999
Skeptical Inquirer, March, 2000
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...Psychic Sylvia Browne, for example, predicted that in 1999 "the Pope will become ill and could die." Said Emery: "That means she can claim success if the Pope suffers anything from a head cold to a fatal heart attack." (Browne's notable predictions for 1999 included forecasts of cures for breast cancer and sudden infant death syndrome [SIDS]. She also said that "The world will not end anytime soon.")...
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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...24/ai_60302596

EeneyMinnieMoe · 22nd March 2007, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Yes, an article about Browne's "Pope Predictions" has been on my to-do list for a while.

I received an email from someone who said that the correspondant's daughter had attended one of Browne's performances when the Pope was on his deathbed.

At one point in the show, Browne suddenly stopped, made a "concentrating" face, and said "The Pope just died." The audience gasped.

The Pope didn't die for another two days.

Nice try, though.

I remember a Montel show where Montel remembers her announcing the Pope had died on the day he actually, really, certifiably, did die.

She must have not given up on the Pope's death and kept at it until she finally got it right

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Minarvia · 23rd March 2007, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe

I remember a Montel show where Montel remembers her announcing the Pope had died on the day he actually, really, certifiably, did die.

She must have not given up on the Pope's death and kept at it until she finally got it right

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Yeah. I recall seeing her recently on a newer Montel when she mentioned that. She said something like "And I just suddenly KNEW that the pope was gone. I was on Montel at the time, thank God." Of course she was implying that, thank goodness, she was filmed saying something that finally had happened.
I wonder if the Pope held on so long just to mess with her...

CynicalSkeptic · 23rd March 2007, 11:49 AM

...or if the Vatican lied about the actual time/date of death just to screw with her.

EeneyMinnieMoe · 23rd March 2007, 12:12 PM

By this same token, I'm a gonna go out on a limb here and predict that everyone who's ever gonna live including me and you and everyone we know is gonna die sometime in the future. And that until they do, some good stuff is gonna happen and some bad stuff in gonna happen.

zombiebex · 23rd March 2007, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe

By this same token, I'm a gonna go out on a limb here and predict that everyone who's ever gonna live including me and you and everyone we know is gonna die sometime in the future. And that until they do, some good stuff is gonna happen and some bad stuff in gonna happen.

You should be on Montel!

Fnord · 23rd March 2007, 01:04 PM

Gach!

[SARCASM]

I predict that there are three black rocks on my front walkway...

(time passes)

... I found three rocks on my back patio, and one of them was black! That's close enough to say that my prediction is 100% accurate.

No, no, don't be amazed ... I do this all the time. Why, last week I predicted that a horse would bite my sister. Two days later, she caught the sleeve of her sweater on the trim of a Ford Mustang. Close enough to make it 100%, right?

Then there was this time I just knew that I would have money problems soon. Sure enough, a month later a panhandler asked me for some spare change, and all I had was three twenty-dollar bills -- no spare change at all! What a problem! Still, I was 100% accurate in my predicition.

I tell you, being psychic is enough to drive one to distraction...

[/SARCASM]

JoeTheJuggler · 23rd March 2007, 02:18 PM

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She also said that "The world will not end anytime soon.")...
...

Uh oh--she says the END is not near, so I guess I'd better get my affairs in order.

Questioninggeller · 28th March 2007, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by zombiebex

You should be on Montel!

and the best seller list!

EeneyMinnieMoe · 24th July 2007, 02:02 PM

http://web.lexis-nexis.com.proxy.wex...a936a2a96e7eaa

Unidentified Woman #13: Hi, Sylvia. My father passed away recently and we wanted to know what really happened to him because he was a really healthy person. He was old but he was healthy.

Ms. BROWNE: It--something started--here we go again with the septosis or the septic--in the kidneys and the liver, and then it just took over the whole body.

Woman #13: So it was just natural?

Ms. BROWNE: Natural, yeah. It's like my dad. You know, he was very healthy at 85 and then all of a sudden, boom.

WILLIAMS: You know what it's like, and I guess these days--thank you--I mean, these days, people--I don't get this quite, and you have to explain this to me--but why is it when a person's 103 years old, they died of, you know, respiratory infection. They died of old age.

Ms. BROWNE: I know.

WILLIAMS: Way can't we just say it.

Ms. BROWNE: I know. It's like the pope.

WILLIAMS: Are we afraid to sent a--the pope, I mean, bless the man, but he was old, you know? That--that's what happens.

Ms. BROWNE: Listen. I was at a--I was at--I was telling Reid from Hay House this, I was in Sacramento doing a lecture, and this might help some of you people. Right in the middle of the lecture, my spirit guide, as you--some of you might know, is named Francine, OK? She said, `We have the pope.' I looked at my watch and it was 9:20 our time. Got back and watched CNN and he was still hanging in there. No, he wasn't. They already had him. Do you see what I'm saying?

WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm.

Ms. BROWNE: That's what I tell people a lot of times is that, `Oh, he's suffering so bad and he couldn't--and he was in and'--no, they're not. They're gone. So 9:30 our time, what did he die, 3:30 their time or something?

WILLIAMS: Right, I think so.

Ms. BROWNE: So it was about eight or nine hours difference. But he was over there.

WILLIAMS: Already gone?

Ms. BROWNE: Already gone.

WILLIAMS: All right. Please welcome Debbie to the show. Sylvia.

EeneyMinnieMoe · 18th July 2008, 12:01 PM

When it comes to predicting religious leaders' deaths, she didn't fare any better with Jerry Falwell:

http://www.novus.org/home/aumag.cfm

"I hope this new Pope’s got some brains, unlike that creepy Falwell. A while back, I heard that he was on his deathbed but I think he’s all right now. God doesn’t want him either!"

You think? You're a psychic!

And he actually died a little less than a year and a half later.

21st March 2007, 11:58 PM	#2
Mobyseven Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,671	Originally Posted by Questioninggeller Let's recap: 1) Browne said the Pope was going to die and admits its not much of a psychic prediction. 2) This was a prediction for 2004, John Paul II died in April 2005. 3) Claims there is going to be a black pope. 4) Claims there is going to be three popes. She was right regarding #1 in some aspect. No she's not. She predicted John Paul II would die in 2004. He died in 2005. That's not close. That's wrong.
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22nd March 2007, 05:27 AM	#4
RenaissanceBiker Eats shoots and leaves. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 8,217	Cheese and Rice! Pope Benedict is actually 3 black men!
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22nd March 2007, 06:44 AM	#5
Freethinker Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by RenaissanceBiker Cheese and Rice! Pope Benedict is actually 3 black men! Technically, I think only one of him has to be black for her prediction to be true. I hope neither of the other two is a racist!
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22nd March 2007, 06:47 AM	#6
Freethinker Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by Mobyseven No she's not. She predicted John Paul II would die in 2004. He died in 2005. That's not close. That's wrong. You are thinking rationally. Start thinking like a believer. He was very ill in 2004, so ill that he probably wasn't running things. Therefore, as the pope, he died in 2004. See how easy it is for her to be right!
	__________________ "Did it indeed seem probable, as he had once overheard Dunbar ask, that the answers to the riddles of creation would be supplied by people too ignorant to understand the mechanics of rainfall? Had Almighty God, in all His infinite wisdom, really been afraid that men six thousand years ago would succeed in building a tower to heaven?" Thoughts of the Chaplain in Heller's Catch-22

22nd March 2007, 06:56 AM	#7
HarryKeogh Guest Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,319	Pope was the name of her dog. As 2004 was drawing to a close she strangled the dog to death at 11:45 PM on December 31st just so she could say she was right.
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21st March 2007, 11:52 PM	#1
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,048	Browne wrong again: The Pope Quote: THE MONTEL WILLIAMS SHOW SHOW: The Montel Williams Show (5:00 PM ET) - SYND December 31, 2003 Wednesday LENGTH: 8066 words BODY: HOST: Montel Williams SYLVIA PREDICTS: 2004 EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Montel Williams, Diane Rappoport MONTEL WILLIAMS: What does the new year have in store for all of us? Announcer: The answers from psychic Sylvia Browne. From Ashton and Demi to Arnold and Maria, to Ben and Jen, Sylvia sees what's in the stars for Hollywood's brightest stars. Plus a shocking vision of trouble from a country on the other side of the world. ... WILLIAMS: Absolutely. And more than four in 10 people said that they've attended religious services in the past week. Ask--answer this one. What about the pope this year? Ms. BROWNE: He's going to die. He's going to die. WILLIAMS: And what's... Ms. BROWNE: I don't think you have to be too psychic to figure that out. WILLIAMS: OK. Ms. BROWNE: But I think within the next year or two we're going to have a black pope. WILLIAMS: Really? So what, if the pope dies and they elect--OK, it's got to be that one. Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, and then after that, they're going to have a triumvirate of popes, which is something they've never had before. WILLIAMS: Three popes in the same office? Ms. BROWNE: Three popes, yeah. WILLIAMS: Wow. Isn't that going to kind of like throw the Catholic Church into something, whatever? Ms. BROWNE: What hasn't? ... Let's recap: 1) Browne said the Pope was going to die and admits its not much of a psychic prediction. 2) This was a prediction for 2004, John Paul II died in April 2005. 3) Claims there is going to be a black pope. 4) Claims there is going to be three popes. She was right regarding #1 in some aspect.

22nd March 2007, 12:00 AM	#3
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,048	Originally Posted by Mobyseven No she's not. She predicted John Paul II would die in 2004. He died in 2005. That's not close. That's wrong. I meant that "predicting" John Paul II was going to die was not much of a psychic prediction.

22nd March 2007, 06:58 AM	#8
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 38,527	Originally Posted by Mobyseven That's not close. That's wrong. Quote: and admits its not much of a psychic prediction That was accurate. It is also how I read "partly right on number 1" rather than the part about the Pope dying. FWIW DR
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22nd March 2007, 07:01 AM	#9
Mobyseven Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,671	My bad. Reading comprehension and all that jazz. My theory is that if Obama gets elected, Browne will say that she got her important leaders mixed up and that she meant a black president.
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22nd March 2007, 07:02 AM	#10
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 38,527	Originally Posted by Mobyseven My bad. Reading comprehension and all that jazz. My theory is that if Obama gets elected, Browne will say that she got her important leaders mixed up and that she meant a black president. President, pope, what's the diff? At least the president does not have to wear a hat. DR
	__________________ Helicopters don't so much fly as beat the air into submission. "Jesus wept, but did He laugh?"--F.H. Buckley____"There is one thing that was too great for God to show us when He walked upon our earth ... His mirth." --Chesterton__"If the barbarian in us is excised, so is our humanity."--D'rok__ "I only use my gun whenever kindness fails."-- Robert Earl Keen__"Sturgeon spares none.". -- The Marquis

22nd March 2007, 07:10 AM	#11
Mobyseven Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,671	The pope understands evolution better than the president does. Well, John Paul II did anyway...
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22nd March 2007, 08:01 AM	#12
Spektator Watching . . . always watching. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 2,299	Geez Louise, I can do the same thing: Pope Benedict is going to die. Just wait and see.....

22nd March 2007, 08:25 AM	#13
Carnivore Salad Dodger Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 1,898	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor President, pope, what's the diff? At least the president does not have to wear a hat. DR He should though. Everyone should wear a hat. Things are much better ( or at least more stylish) when people wear hats. Hats for all!
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22nd March 2007, 08:40 AM	#14
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,371	Quote: WILLIAMS: Absolutely. And more than four in 10 people said that they've attended religious services in the past week. Ask--answer this one. What about the pope this year? Ms. BROWNE: He's going to die. He's going to die. WILLIAMS: And what's... Ms. BROWNE: I don't think you have to be too psychic to figure that out. WILLIAMS: OK. Ms. BROWNE: But I think within the next year or two we're going to have a black pope. WILLIAMS: Really? So what, if the pope dies and they elect--OK, it's got to be that one. Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, and then after that, they're going to have a triumvirate of popes, which is something they've never had before. WILLIAMS: Three popes in the same office? Ms. BROWNE: Three popes, yeah. Oh, yeah? Quote: "The Catholic Church will have only one more Pope after John Paul II." Sylvia Browne Predictions for 1998

22nd March 2007, 08:45 AM	#15
Alareth Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 7,682	I'm sure that somebody with the last name Pope died in 2004. Sylvia was just confused about his improtance

22nd March 2007, 08:46 AM	#16
zombiebex Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 317	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Oh, yeah? ooooo... I for one would LOVE to see more contridictions in her predictions.

22nd March 2007, 08:57 AM	#17
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,048	Originally Posted by Alareth I'm sure that somebody with the last name Pope died in 2004. Sylvia was just confused about his improtance and with a first name "The".
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22nd March 2007, 09:16 AM	#18
Alareth Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 7,682	Originally Posted by Questioninggeller and with a first name "The". I willing to bet that if my last name was Pope I'd have at least one smartass friend that would call me "The" Pope.

22nd March 2007, 03:15 PM	#19
Minarvia fading orb Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,224	Was that Montel show the same one where she said breast cancer would be a thing of the past? I don't have any old shows on tape, but I could swear that one year while watching her on Montel she stated that. Of course that is bull, and breast cancer awareness and trying for a cure of still cruising along years after (I think) she said it would end.
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22nd March 2007, 03:33 PM	#20
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,048	Originally Posted by Minarvia Was that Montel show the same one where she said breast cancer would be a thing of the past? I don't have any old shows on tape, but I could swear that one year while watching her on Montel she stated that. Of course that is bull, and breast cancer awareness and trying for a cure of still cruising along years after (I think) she said it would end. Different show, back in 2001: Quote: From 12/31/01, Sylvia Browne's Predictions For the New Year ... WILLIAMS: What do you expect in this coming year in breakthroughs as far as medicine? You say breast cancer. What else? Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. Breast cancer, and there's going to--see, what we're going to see is an awful lot of not only the natural hormone treatment is going to come, but we're going to see all kinds of cells, you know what I mean, from the embryotic--embryotic cells. WILLIAMS: But now that's been banned here in America, Sylvia. Ms. BROWNE: Well, yes, but you see what's going to happen is people are going to go outside of America and do it. WILLIAMS: Do it anyway. Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. WILLIAMS: So we're going to get breakthroughs from that in this next calendar year. Ms. BROWNE: Exactly. ...

22nd March 2007, 03:44 PM	#21
wahrheit Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,485	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor President, pope, what's the diff? Sure there's a difference. Technically, the pope is running a monarchy, not a theocracy.
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22nd March 2007, 04:06 PM	#22
pspaddict Scholar Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 59	I remember Browne saying John Paul II would die "next year" on the Montel Show. This was around 2000. She's been predicting his death for years. She got one thing right: he died. She just wasn't right about when. Seeing how John Paul II had been dying right in front of our eyes for years she saw it as a good bet he would croke any minute, and even in rational, common sense stuff she failed by years.
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22nd March 2007, 04:16 PM	#23
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,048	Originally Posted by pspaddict I remember Browne saying John Paul II would die "next year" on the Montel Show. This was around 2000. She's been predicting his death for years. She got one thing right: he died. She just wasn't right about when. Seeing how John Paul II had been dying right in front of our eyes for years she saw it as a good bet he would croke any minute, and even in rational, common sense stuff she failed by years. Yes, she's had been saying the Pope was going to die for a long time. Quote: Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio) January 4, 2000 Tuesday, FINAL / ALL SECTION: METRO; Pg. 1B LENGTH: 635 words HEADLINE: COLUMNIST WILL REVEAL HE IS ELVIS' LOVE CHILD BYLINE: by JOE DIRCK BODY: The future, the future, the future. That's all anyone seems to be talking about lately. But before we bid farewell to the'90s (say, what do we call this new decade, anyway? The Zeros?), I would like to pause for a moment to look back at some of the truly remarkable events that took place in the 10 years just past. For instance, how about those Russian cosmonauts discovering that abandoned alien spaceship with the bodies of several extraterrestrials on board? And wasn't it something the way the Cuban government was overthrown and Fidel Castro imprisoned? California, of course, is still recovering from those terrible earthquakes that turned L.A. and San Diego into islands. And in South Carolina, they're trying to clean up the mess caused by that teenager who built a homemade nuclear bomb and accidentally detonated it. ... This dismal track record comes as no surprise to science and medical writer Gene Emery, who has been monitoring psychic predictions for 20 years, and for the last several years, publishing his findings annually in the magazine Skeptical Inquirer. This year, like every other year he has checked, the psychics' batting average was abysmal. The only accurate forecasts were those so vague and ambiguous they could hardly miss, as when psychic Sylvia Browne boldly predicted: "The pope will become ill [in 1999] and could die." Ms. Browne also went out on a limb last year to predict, with uncanny accuracy: "The world will not end anytime soon." ... But no matter how many times they are debunked, the psychics can always count on the gullible coming back for more. Just wait until you see what they dream up for the Zeros. And that's a prediction you can take to the bank.

22nd March 2007, 04:23 PM	#24
Stellafane Village Idiot. Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 8,368	I gotta ask: Why does Sylvia make such wacky and specific predictions? Usually psychics say stuff real ambiguous like "we will lose someone important in the near future," which can be retrofitted to almost anything -- some famous person dying, or leaving office, or retiring, or just going on an extended vacation. But Sylvia keeps making these far-out predictions that have almost no chance of ever coming true. I can only think of two reasons for this: (1) She's gone crazy, or (2) She has so little respect for her followers because she knows she could say the sky is orange and the earth is flat, and they'll still overlook it.
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22nd March 2007, 04:34 PM	#25
Dean Morrison Scholar Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 54	Did she say whether he went to heaven or not??
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22nd March 2007, 04:34 PM	#26
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,371	Originally Posted by Stellafane I gotta ask: Why does Sylvia make such wacky and specific predictions? Usually psychics say stuff real ambiguous like "we will lose someone important in the near future," which can be retrofitted to almost anything -- some famous person dying, or leaving office, or retiring, or just going on an extended vacation. But Sylvia keeps making these far-out predictions that have almost no chance of ever coming true. I can only think of two reasons for this: (1) She's gone crazy, or (2) She has so little respect for her followers because she knows she could say the sky is orange and the earth is flat, and they'll still overlook it. It's the power. She just doesn't care. It's not about the money, or whether her predictions are correct or not. She just wants to see how far she can take it, only to laugh at those who buy into her crap.

22nd March 2007, 04:38 PM	#27
Jeff Corey New York Skeptic Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,714	The Earth isn't flat? Who'da thunk it. And the sky is orange. On Vulcan.

22nd March 2007, 05:13 PM	#28
RSLancastr www.StopSylvia.com Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 17,135	Yes, an article about Browne's "Pope Predictions" has been on my to-do list for a while. I received an email from someone who said that the correspondant's daughter had attended one of Browne's performances when the Pope was on his deathbed. At one point in the show, Browne suddenly stopped, made a "concentrating" face, and said "The Pope just died." The audience gasped. The Pope didn't die for another two days. Nice try, though.
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22nd March 2007, 05:21 PM	#29
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,704	Sylvia Brown (standing at the sink): "If they're buying, I'm selling!" (Thanks, Rob!)
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22nd March 2007, 05:34 PM	#30
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,048	Quote: New York in Quarantine? Failed Psychic Predictions for 1999 Skeptical Inquirer, March, 2000 ... ...Psychic Sylvia Browne, for example, predicted that in 1999 "the Pope will become ill and could die." Said Emery: "That means she can claim success if the Pope suffers anything from a head cold to a fatal heart attack." (Browne's notable predictions for 1999 included forecasts of cures for breast cancer and sudden infant death syndrome [SIDS]. She also said that "The world will not end anytime soon.")... ... http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...24/ai_60302596

22nd March 2007, 05:36 PM	#31
EeneyMinnieMoe Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,221	Originally Posted by RSLancastr Yes, an article about Browne's "Pope Predictions" has been on my to-do list for a while. I received an email from someone who said that the correspondant's daughter had attended one of Browne's performances when the Pope was on his deathbed. At one point in the show, Browne suddenly stopped, made a "concentrating" face, and said "The Pope just died." The audience gasped. The Pope didn't die for another two days. Nice try, though. I remember a Montel show where Montel remembers her announcing the Pope had died on the day he actually, really, certifiably, did die. She must have not given up on the Pope's death and kept at it until she finally got it right .
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23rd March 2007, 11:02 AM	#32
Minarvia fading orb Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,224	Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe I remember a Montel show where Montel remembers her announcing the Pope had died on the day he actually, really, certifiably, did die. She must have not given up on the Pope's death and kept at it until she finally got it right . Yeah. I recall seeing her recently on a newer Montel when she mentioned that. She said something like "And I just suddenly KNEW that the pope was gone. I was on Montel at the time, thank God." Of course she was implying that, thank goodness, she was filmed saying something that finally had happened. I wonder if the Pope held on so long just to mess with her...
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23rd March 2007, 11:49 AM	#33
CynicalSkeptic Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,608	...or if the Vatican lied about the actual time/date of death just to screw with her.

23rd March 2007, 12:12 PM	#34
EeneyMinnieMoe Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,221	By this same token, I'm a gonna go out on a limb here and predict that everyone who's ever gonna live including me and you and everyone we know is gonna die sometime in the future. And that until they do, some good stuff is gonna happen and some bad stuff in gonna happen.

23rd March 2007, 12:30 PM	#35
zombiebex Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 317	Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe By this same token, I'm a gonna go out on a limb here and predict that everyone who's ever gonna live including me and you and everyone we know is gonna die sometime in the future. And that until they do, some good stuff is gonna happen and some bad stuff in gonna happen. You should be on Montel!