Browne wrong again: The Pope

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THE MONTEL WILLIAMS SHOW

SHOW: The Montel Williams Show (5:00 PM ET) - SYND

December 31, 2003 Wednesday

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HOST: Montel Williams

SYLVIA PREDICTS: 2004

EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Montel Williams, Diane Rappoport

MONTEL WILLIAMS: What does the new year have in store for all of us?

Announcer: The answers from psychic Sylvia Browne. From Ashton and Demi to Arnold and Maria, to Ben and Jen, Sylvia sees what's in the stars for Hollywood's brightest stars. Plus a shocking vision of trouble from a country on the other side of the world.
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WILLIAMS: Absolutely. And more than four in 10 people said that they've attended religious services in the past week. Ask--answer this one. What about the pope this year?

Ms. BROWNE: He's going to die. He's going to die.

WILLIAMS: And what's...

Ms. BROWNE: I don't think you have to be too psychic to figure that out.

WILLIAMS: OK.

Ms. BROWNE: But I think within the next year or two we're going to have a black pope.

WILLIAMS: Really? So what, if the pope dies and they elect--OK, it's got to be that one.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, and then after that, they're going to have a triumvirate of popes, which is something they've never had before.

WILLIAMS: Three popes in the same office?

Ms. BROWNE: Three popes, yeah.

WILLIAMS: Wow. Isn't that going to kind of like throw the Catholic Church into something, whatever?

Ms. BROWNE: What hasn't?
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Let's recap:
1) Browne said the Pope was going to die and admits its not much of a psychic prediction.
2) This was a prediction for 2004, John Paul II died in April 2005.
3) Claims there is going to be a black pope.
4) Claims there is going to be three popes.

She was right regarding #1 in some aspect.
 
Questioninggeller said:
Let's recap:
1) Browne said the Pope was going to die and admits its not much of a psychic prediction.
2) This was a prediction for 2004, John Paul II died in April 2005.
3) Claims there is going to be a black pope.
4) Claims there is going to be three popes.

She was right regarding #1 in some aspect.
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No she's not. She predicted John Paul II would die in 2004. He died in 2005.

That's not close. That's wrong.
 
Mobyseven said:
No she's not. She predicted John Paul II would die in 2004. He died in 2005.

That's not close. That's wrong.
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You are thinking rationally. Start thinking like a believer. He was very ill in 2004, so ill that he probably wasn't running things. Therefore, as the pope, he died in 2004. See how easy it is for her to be right!
 
Pope was the name of her dog. As 2004 was drawing to a close she strangled the dog to death at 11:45 PM on December 31st just so she could say she was right.
 
My bad. Reading comprehension and all that jazz.

My theory is that if Obama gets elected, Browne will say that she got her important leaders mixed up and that she meant a black president.
 
Mobyseven said:
My bad. Reading comprehension and all that jazz.

My theory is that if Obama gets elected, Browne will say that she got her important leaders mixed up and that she meant a black president.
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President, pope, what's the diff? At least the president does not have to wear a hat.

DR
 
The pope understands evolution better than the president does. Well, John Paul II did anyway...
 
WILLIAMS: Absolutely. And more than four in 10 people said that they've attended religious services in the past week. Ask--answer this one. What about the pope this year?

Ms. BROWNE: He's going to die. He's going to die.

WILLIAMS: And what's...

Ms. BROWNE: I don't think you have to be too psychic to figure that out.

WILLIAMS: OK.

Ms. BROWNE: But I think within the next year or two we're going to have a black pope.

WILLIAMS: Really? So what, if the pope dies and they elect--OK, it's got to be that one.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, and then after that, they're going to have a triumvirate of popes, which is something they've never had before.

WILLIAMS: Three popes in the same office?

Ms. BROWNE: Three popes, yeah.
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Oh, yeah?

"The Catholic Church will have only one more Pope after John Paul II."
Sylvia Browne Predictions for 1998
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Was that Montel show the same one where she said breast cancer would be a thing of the past? I don't have any old shows on tape, but I could swear that one year while watching her on Montel she stated that. Of course that is bull, and breast cancer awareness and trying for a cure of still cruising along years after (I think) she said it would end.
 
Minarvia said:
Was that Montel show the same one where she said breast cancer would be a thing of the past? I don't have any old shows on tape, but I could swear that one year while watching her on Montel she stated that. Of course that is bull, and breast cancer awareness and trying for a cure of still cruising along years after (I think) she said it would end.
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Different show, back in 2001:

From 12/31/01, Sylvia Browne's Predictions For the New Year
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WILLIAMS: What do you expect in this coming year in breakthroughs as far as medicine? You say breast cancer. What else?

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. Breast cancer, and there's going to--see, what we're going to see is an awful lot of not only the natural hormone treatment is going to come, but we're going to see all kinds of cells, you know what I mean, from the embryotic--embryotic cells.

WILLIAMS: But now that's been banned here in America, Sylvia.

Ms. BROWNE: Well, yes, but you see what's going to happen is people are going to go outside of America and do it.

WILLIAMS: Do it anyway.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: So we're going to get breakthroughs from that in this next calendar year.

Ms. BROWNE: Exactly.
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I remember Browne saying John Paul II would die "next year" on the Montel Show. This was around 2000. She's been predicting his death for years. She got one thing right: he died. She just wasn't right about when. Seeing how John Paul II had been dying right in front of our eyes for years she saw it as a good bet he would croke any minute, and even in rational, common sense stuff she failed by years.
 
pspaddict said:
I remember Browne saying John Paul II would die "next year" on the Montel Show. This was around 2000. She's been predicting his death for years. She got one thing right: he died. She just wasn't right about when. Seeing how John Paul II had been dying right in front of our eyes for years she saw it as a good bet he would croke any minute, and even in rational, common sense stuff she failed by years.
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Yes, she's had been saying the Pope was going to die for a long time.

Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)

January 4, 2000 Tuesday, FINAL / ALL

SECTION: METRO; Pg. 1B

LENGTH: 635 words

HEADLINE: COLUMNIST WILL REVEAL HE IS ELVIS' LOVE CHILD

BYLINE: by JOE DIRCK

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The future, the future, the future. That's all anyone seems to be talking about lately. But before we bid farewell to the'90s (say, what do we call this new decade, anyway? The Zeros?), I would like to pause for a moment to look back at some of the truly remarkable events that took place in the 10 years just past.

For instance, how about those Russian cosmonauts discovering that abandoned alien spaceship with the bodies of several extraterrestrials on board? And wasn't it something the way the Cuban government was overthrown and Fidel Castro imprisoned? California, of course, is still recovering from those terrible earthquakes that turned L.A. and San Diego into islands. And in South Carolina, they're trying to clean up the mess caused by that teenager who built a homemade nuclear bomb and accidentally detonated it.
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This dismal track record comes as no surprise to science and medical writer Gene Emery, who has been monitoring psychic predictions for 20 years, and for the last several years, publishing his findings annually in the magazine Skeptical Inquirer.

This year, like every other year he has checked, the psychics' batting average was abysmal. The only accurate forecasts were those so vague and ambiguous they could hardly miss, as when psychic Sylvia Browne boldly predicted: "The pope will become ill [in 1999] and could die." Ms. Browne also went out on a limb last year to predict, with uncanny accuracy: "The world will not end anytime soon."
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But no matter how many times they are debunked, the psychics can always count on the gullible coming back for more. Just wait until you see what they dream up for the Zeros.

And that's a prediction you can take to the bank.
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I gotta ask: Why does Sylvia make such wacky and specific predictions? Usually psychics say stuff real ambiguous like "we will lose someone important in the near future," which can be retrofitted to almost anything -- some famous person dying, or leaving office, or retiring, or just going on an extended vacation. But Sylvia keeps making these far-out predictions that have almost no chance of ever coming true.

I can only think of two reasons for this: (1) She's gone crazy, or (2) She has so little respect for her followers because she knows she could say the sky is orange and the earth is flat, and they'll still overlook it.
 
Stellafane said:
I gotta ask: Why does Sylvia make such wacky and specific predictions? Usually psychics say stuff real ambiguous like "we will lose someone important in the near future," which can be retrofitted to almost anything -- some famous person dying, or leaving office, or retiring, or just going on an extended vacation. But Sylvia keeps making these far-out predictions that have almost no chance of ever coming true.

I can only think of two reasons for this: (1) She's gone crazy, or (2) She has so little respect for her followers because she knows she could say the sky is orange and the earth is flat, and they'll still overlook it.
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It's the power.

She just doesn't care. It's not about the money, or whether her predictions are correct or not.

She just wants to see how far she can take it, only to laugh at those who buy into her crap.
 
Yes, an article about Browne's "Pope Predictions" has been on my to-do list for a while.

I received an email from someone who said that the correspondant's daughter had attended one of Browne's performances when the Pope was on his deathbed.

At one point in the show, Browne suddenly stopped, made a "concentrating" face, and said "The Pope just died." The audience gasped.

The Pope didn't die for another two days.

Nice try, though.
 
Sylvia Brown (standing at the sink): "If they're buying, I'm selling!"

(Thanks, Rob!)
 
New York in Quarantine? Failed Psychic Predictions for 1999
Skeptical Inquirer, March, 2000
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...Psychic Sylvia Browne, for example, predicted that in 1999 "the Pope will become ill and could die." Said Emery: "That means she can claim success if the Pope suffers anything from a head cold to a fatal heart attack." (Browne's notable predictions for 1999 included forecasts of cures for breast cancer and sudden infant death syndrome [SIDS]. She also said that "The world will not end anytime soon.")...
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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_2_24/ai_60302596
 
RSLancastr said:
Yes, an article about Browne's "Pope Predictions" has been on my to-do list for a while.

I received an email from someone who said that the correspondant's daughter had attended one of Browne's performances when the Pope was on his deathbed.

At one point in the show, Browne suddenly stopped, made a "concentrating" face, and said "The Pope just died." The audience gasped.

The Pope didn't die for another two days.

Nice try, though.
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I remember a Montel show where Montel remembers her announcing the Pope had died on the day he actually, really, certifiably, did die.

She must have not given up on the Pope's death and kept at it until she finally got it right :D .
 
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EeneyMinnieMoe said:
I remember a Montel show where Montel remembers her announcing the Pope had died on the day he actually, really, certifiably, did die.

She must have not given up on the Pope's death and kept at it until she finally got it right :D .
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Yeah. I recall seeing her recently on a newer Montel when she mentioned that. She said something like "And I just suddenly KNEW that the pope was gone. I was on Montel at the time, thank God." Of course she was implying that, thank goodness, she was filmed saying something that finally had happened.
I wonder if the Pope held on so long just to mess with her...:D
 
By this same token, I'm a gonna go out on a limb here and predict that everyone who's ever gonna live including me and you and everyone we know is gonna die sometime in the future. And that until they do, some good stuff is gonna happen and some bad stuff in gonna happen.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
By this same token, I'm a gonna go out on a limb here and predict that everyone who's ever gonna live including me and you and everyone we know is gonna die sometime in the future. And that until they do, some good stuff is gonna happen and some bad stuff in gonna happen.
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:bigclap
You should be on Montel!
 
Gach!

[SARCASM]

I predict that there are three black rocks on my front walkway...

(time passes)

... I found three rocks on my back patio, and one of them was black! That's close enough to say that my prediction is 100% accurate.

No, no, don't be amazed ... I do this all the time. Why, last week I predicted that a horse would bite my sister. Two days later, she caught the sleeve of her sweater on the trim of a Ford Mustang. Close enough to make it 100%, right?

Then there was this time I just knew that I would have money problems soon. Sure enough, a month later a panhandler asked me for some spare change, and all I had was three twenty-dollar bills -- no spare change at all! What a problem! Still, I was 100% accurate in my predicition.

I tell you, being psychic is enough to drive one to distraction...:hypnotize

[/SARCASM]
 
Don't know if someone hasn't posted this already-

http://web.lexis-nexis.com.proxy.we...z-zSkVA&_md5=a3dee300c7cb18ab58a936a2a96e7eaa

Unidentified Woman #13: Hi, Sylvia. My father passed away recently and we wanted to know what really happened to him because he was a really healthy person. He was old but he was healthy.

Ms. BROWNE: It--something started--here we go again with the septosis or the septic--in the kidneys and the liver, and then it just took over the whole body.

Woman #13: So it was just natural?

Ms. BROWNE: Natural, yeah. It's like my dad. You know, he was very healthy at 85 and then all of a sudden, boom.

WILLIAMS: You know what it's like, and I guess these days--thank you--I mean, these days, people--I don't get this quite, and you have to explain this to me--but why is it when a person's 103 years old, they died of, you know, respiratory infection. They died of old age.

Ms. BROWNE: I know.

WILLIAMS: Way can't we just say it.

Ms. BROWNE: I know. It's like the pope.

WILLIAMS: Are we afraid to sent a--the pope, I mean, bless the man, but he was old, you know? That--that's what happens.

Ms. BROWNE: Listen. I was at a--I was at--I was telling Reid from Hay House this, I was in Sacramento doing a lecture, and this might help some of you people. Right in the middle of the lecture, my spirit guide, as you--some of you might know, is named Francine, OK? She said, `We have the pope.' I looked at my watch and it was 9:20 our time. Got back and watched CNN and he was still hanging in there. No, he wasn't. They already had him. Do you see what I'm saying?

WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm.

Ms. BROWNE: That's what I tell people a lot of times is that, `Oh, he's suffering so bad and he couldn't--and he was in and'--no, they're not. They're gone. So 9:30 our time, what did he die, 3:30 their time or something?

WILLIAMS: Right, I think so.

Ms. BROWNE: So it was about eight or nine hours difference. But he was over there.

WILLIAMS: Already gone?

Ms. BROWNE: Already gone.

WILLIAMS: All right. Please welcome Debbie to the show. Sylvia.
 
When it comes to predicting religious leaders' deaths, she didn't fare any better with Jerry Falwell:

http://www.novus.org/home/aumag.cfm

"I hope this new Pope’s got some brains, unlike that creepy Falwell. A while back, I heard that he was on his deathbed but I think he’s all right now. God doesn’t want him either!"

You think? You're a psychic!

And he actually died a little less than a year and a half later.
 
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