CSV FDR File was altered to make aircraft appear on southern approach

BTW, I didn't see any mention of the earth-shattering P4T press release in the Chicago Tribune today, maybe I missed it?
 
This just in....

Invisionfree.com's volcano of absolute nonsense spews hot gas for the umpteenth time.
 
YES their current claim is that the all powerful Cabal altered the FDR data to make it appear it came south of Citgo, but were TOO STUPID to alter it further to make it hit the poles and pentagon...

FENCE SITTERS, please re-read what they are claiming...

TAM:)
 
Recent email exchange with a mathmatics and statics expert in reverse engineering data...

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?showtopic=5083
You mentally challenged drone, the data discussed is the mag track vs mag heading, the difference to some would be God, it is the wind, mother nature.

What a bunch of dumb drones.

That whole thread is about the WIND. It proves the data was not altered. Do not post for JDX he is not able to correctly analyze a wet bag.

The WIND! JDX it is track vs heading! The wind.

WIND. can you read the thread you posted? They say the NTSB or government altered the FDR. NO! They are looking at the magnetic heading and the magnetic track. It is the wind that makes them different.

If you go boating on a river or fly in the air you would know what drift is. The angle between the heading and the track, is the drift angle. JDX is unable to figure this out! The wind!

WIND! Think about it and then find some facts you dolt. Do not post idiot junk if you do not understand why it is junk and just stupid lies.

You have to stop being so incredibly gullible. It was the wind, not the government. Explain why you are not able to figure this out?

Was JDX grounded by the government?
 
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HO Scale Engineer? In other words, he drives model trains? So it really was trains that brought down the twin towers!

Dave
to clear things up, HOscale was just a joke, but my point is without knowing what KIND of engineer his email address is it really doesnt impress me that it has engineer in it, lol
 
I popped on over to the original blog posting by this "expert" in mathematics and statistics.

I notice that he's claiming that
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*snicker*

Some math genius.
 
HO Scale Engineer? In other words, he drives model trains? So it really was trains that brought down the twin towers!

Dave

I always thought that when someone was handing out brains they thought they said "trains," and said, "no thank you."

As they said in A Mighty Wind, "Thank God for model trains, because they never would have got the idea for big ones." Or words to that effect.
 
You mentally challenged drone, the data discussed is the mag track vs mag heading, the difference to some would be God, it is the wind, mother nature.

What a bunch of dumb drones.

That whole thread is about the WIND. It proves the data was not altered. Do not post for JDX he is not able to correctly analyze a wet bag.

The WIND! JDX it is track vs heading! The wind.

WIND. can you read the thread you posted? They say the NTSB or government altered the FDR. NO! They are looking at the magnetic heading and the magnetic track. It is the wind that makes them different.

If you go boating on a river or fly in the air you would know what drift is. The angle between the heading and the track, is the drift angle. JDX is unable to figure this out! The wind!

WIND! Think about it and then find some facts you dolt. Do not post idiot junk if you do not understand why it is junk and just stupid lies.

You have to stop being so incredibly gullible. It was the wind, not the government. Explain why you are not able to figure this out?

Was JDX grounded by the government?
[derail] Wanna get into a discussion of the "Deadly Downwind Turn" and airspeed?:D[/derail]
 
s, dangit! s!

My thoughts exactly.

ETA: Ironically, he could've replaced either of two things with "s" to make the equation correct, although they would stand for slightly different things, IIRC. (either speed or displacement)
 
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BTW, I didn't see any mention of the earth-shattering P4T press release in the Chicago Tribune today, maybe I missed it?

Sam Smith touched upon it, but only briefly, in his trade scenario to get Eddie Curry back column.
 
Here is this mathematician's expert analysis.

You are absolutely correct, I took flying lessons 35 years or so ago and after doing my solo I went no further (too expensive at the time). As I explained to Rob, this stuff makes very little sense to anyone who is not familiar with statistical techniques. You are absolutely correct also that I look at the forest (the complete data set) not the trees (the individual data points).

Really all that I did was break down the velocity data into its x (east – west) and y (north – south) components. You are also correct that I did not analyze the z component (vertical) for that study since it was not being examined.

The first question is, was the plane changing velocity in the x component during the time frame examined. The answer is yes. The second question, was there a change in longitude per time changing as well (recall from your college calculus that longitude/time is the same as velocity except you are using degrees instead of miles, or nautical miles in this case, and the first derivative or slope, is the rate of change in that value). The answer is that the degrees/second fit a linear regression line nearly perfectly meaning that the slope for those data points was relatively constant. In other words, there was not any significant change in the degree/second rate, or simply put, no.

Since it is known that the x component in velocity is changing, it does not make sense that the longitude rate of change is not. When you look at the y data, there is a corresponding change associated with BOTH. In other words, just another way of looking at the same data but in different units. The same phenomena is observed in the translated fdr file except the residual error of the regression fit has been corrected (the latitude/longitude offset in the csv file).

My goal was to understand for myself which data in those files makes sense in the “real world” and which has been tampered with. When you have three representations of the “same” data set, and all three are different, then I don’t think that any reasonable person can claim that they have not been tampered with. At this point, the only data that seems to behave as “real world” data is the physics data such as acceleration. So that is what I will use for my purposes.

I understand your frustration, and that is my lacking in being able to explain it in simpler terms. But try to think of it this way. Velocity is simply distance/time measured in miles per hour (or other unit). All I did was substitute degrees for miles and see if both changed in harmony (acceleration). They did not. Image my frustration trying to understand some of the aviation stuff you guys are talking about :D

As to the first bolding, beachnut was right. This idjit doesn't know that there are 3 independent heading/attitude systems, nor does he know the difference between heading and track. As to the second bolding....:confused:

I agree with tache, who replied:

I have never seen more BS in one post in my life.
 

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