AA77 witnesses

Panoply_Prefect · 27th March 2007, 12:16 PM

Hi!

Does anyone know of a good site with listings of all known witnesses who saw AA77, prefereably with a record of their statements?

Cheers,
S

T.A.M. · 27th March 2007, 12:20 PM

there is a thread made here recently, where the statements of some were posted, i think...

TAM

apathoid · 27th March 2007, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by SLOB

Hi!

Does anyone know of a good site with listings of all known witnesses who saw AA77, prefereably with a record of their statements?

Cheers,
S

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...sses/bart.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...ses/sgydk.html

chipmunk stew · 27th March 2007, 12:25 PM

http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoud.../witnesses.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/sgydk.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...sses/bart.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...witnesses.html has a chart showing a breakdown of what people described seeing.

edit: what apathoid said

Panoply_Prefect · 27th March 2007, 12:30 PM

Ah, tnx! That was fast - this is just one of the things this place does great!

/S

Anti-sophist · 27th March 2007, 12:37 PM

You've been asking for alot of evidence on the same subject recently SLOB. You are either writing a huge document or having a monstrous debate. You should post a link to it. I always like skimming debates in far-off corners of the internet.

Panoply_Prefect · 27th March 2007, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anti-sophist

You've been asking for alot of evidence on the same subject recently SLOB. You are either writing a huge document or having a monstrous debate. You should post a link to it. I always like skimming debates in far-off corners of the internet.

Im afraid Im having a monstrous debate - unfortunately its in swedish. In short, its more or less one person, Heiwa, who claims AA77 didn't hit Pentagon and from what I can gather I think he gets most his material from Pilots for 911 truth.

Among his claims have been that the NTSB didn't investigate the crash - which he alleged was in violation of international laws, he claimed that no aircraft debris was found at the Pentagon - photos are either planted, altered or showing something else. This thread was induced by his latest claim "No witness saw AA77 hit the Pentagon - since the plane wasn't painted". I remembered that a lot of witnesses said they saw "American Airlines" painted on the body, so hence this post.

Its very educative for me, it has made me learn more than I could ever imagine about FDR's, the NTSB and its mandate, same with the FBI.

The thread is located here, and I am using the same nym over there as here.

The guys homepage can be found here (in english). He is deep into a Estonia-conspiracy as well, but thats more understandable given his background as Naval Architect and Marine Engineer.

/S

Anti-sophist · 27th March 2007, 12:52 PM

I don't read swedish

Panoply_Prefect · 27th March 2007, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anti-sophist

I don't read swedish

Ah, dont be put down. Most people dont.

thrombus29 · 27th March 2007, 01:42 PM

Is the Estonia conspiracy any good? I have never heard of that one.

MG1962 · 27th March 2007, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Is the Estonia conspiracy any good? I have never heard of that one.

Yeah we could adopt a conspiracy. Start a 'Loose Senti' forum and make a movie and and...................................

beachnut · 27th March 2007, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by SLOB

Im afraid Im having a monstrous debate - unfortunately its in swedish. In short, its more or less one person, Heiwa, who claims AA77 didn't hit Pentagon and from what I can gather I think he gets most his material from Pilots for 911 truth.

Among his claims have been that the NTSB didn't investigate the crash - which he alleged was in violation of international laws, he claimed that no aircraft debris was found at the Pentagon - photos are either planted, altered or showing something else. This thread was induced by his latest claim "No witness saw AA77 hit the Pentagon - since the plane wasn't painted". I remembered that a lot of witnesses said they saw "American Airlines" painted on the body, so hence this post.

Its very educative for me, it has made me learn more than I could ever imagine about FDR's, the NTSB and its mandate, same with the FBI.

The thread is located here, and I am using the same nym over there as here.

The guys homepage can be found here (in english). He is deep into a Estonia-conspiracy as well, but thats more understandable given his background as Naval Architect and Marine Engineer.

/S

When they bring up the NTSB accident thing, you know they are full of BS, just junk talk.

Accidents are no on purpose. 9/11 was crime, why do people fall for the NTSB did not do an accident investigation lie. There is no accident to investigate.

You will be an expert in many different systems, at a level greater than some managers.

It takes no knowledge of anything to make up lies about 9/11. It takes facts to dismiss the idiot claims. This is why the truthers seem to be getting dumber, those who question their lies are getting smarter.

Plus you are translating all this stuff back and forth. Extra credit!

apathoid · 27th March 2007, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by SLOB

Im afraid Im having a monstrous debate - unfortunately its in swedish. In short, its more or less one person, Heiwa, who claims AA77 didn't hit Pentagon and from what I can gather I think he gets most his material from Pilots for 911 truth.

Among his claims have been that the NTSB didn't investigate the crash - which he alleged was in violation of international laws, he claimed that no aircraft debris was found at the Pentagon - photos are either planted, altered or showing something else. This thread was induced by his latest claim "No witness saw AA77 hit the Pentagon - since the plane wasn't painted". I remembered that a lot of witnesses said they saw "American Airlines" painted on the body, so hence this post.

Its very educative for me, it has made me learn more than I could ever imagine about FDR's, the NTSB and its mandate, same with the FBI.

The thread is located here, and I am using the same nym over there as here.

The guys homepage can be found here (in english). He is deep into a Estonia-conspiracy as well, but thats more understandable given his background as Naval Architect and Marine Engineer.

/S

SLOB, I don't know if you saw this thread or not, but it contains alot of handy links to debunking 9/11 nonsense on many topics. Kudos to ref for compiling all the info..

Panoply_Prefect · 27th March 2007, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by thrombus29

Is the Estonia conspiracy any good? I have never heard of that one.

Well, there are, as with 911, a few. The major one claims that the M/S Estonia was sunk because of secret government weapons smuggling from Russia via Sweden - sometimes involving the CIA.

Jutta Rabe, a german citizen, made a CT-movie, starring no other than Donald Sutherland, focusing on transport of defense materials by the Swedish Armed Forces, and alleged cover-up of the true cause of the disaster. She even financed, illegal, divings at the site to get footage to include in the film.
Christopher Bollyn, who also is present in the truther-movement has written a few articles.

Anders Björkman, "HEIWA", has written a few books on the subject and he argues that a few of the victims from the crew, actually survived the accident, only to be murdered by "agents" from Sweden and Finland:

Originally Posted by Anders Björkman

It is quite amazing that the citizens of Estonia have allowed above to happen without further investigations. Evidently in 1994 Estonia was still suffering from 50 years of Soviet occupation and police state rule, but now we are in the year 2001, when Estonia has won the European popular television song contest and some normality has returned. To solve the mystery of the un-dead Estonians (probably murdered by Swedish and Finnish secret agents) young Estonians should really ask their government to re-open the full investigation of the Estonia sinking. It will really make Estonia part of Europe.

Common traits of M/S Estonia and 911 are the call for a new investigation, government cover-up and the alleged use of explosives to bring it under.

The Estonia accident is together with the murders of prime minister Olof Palme in 1986 and to lesser extent the murder of foreign minister Anna Lindh, the bulk of "native" Swedish conspiracy theories.

/S

Panoply_Prefect · 27th March 2007, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

It takes no knowledge of anything to make up lies about 9/11. It takes facts to dismiss the idiot claims. This is why the truthers seem to be getting dumber, those who question their lies are getting smarter.

Yes, and thats why Im full of admiration for those who actually debate truthers live... Its easier to tell a lie, than to refute it.

EDIT: Actually beachnut, I'd like to use that sentence as a sig, if thats ok with you.

/S

Panoply_Prefect · 27th March 2007, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by apathoid

SLOB, I don't know if you saw this thread or not, but it contains alot of handy links to debunking 9/11 nonsense on many topics. Kudos to ref for compiling all the info..

Yes, I saw that - this forum is a true gold mine. However sometimes its hard to find the nuggets, with so many posts. In my defence, I did a Google search of the forum before posting this thread. I know stickies have a tendency of getting stale, but sometimes I wish this forum stickied such great threads.

/S

ref · 27th March 2007, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by SLOB

Anders Björkman, "HEIWA", has written a few books on the subject and he argues that a few of the victims from the crew, actually survived the accident, only to be murdered by "agents" from Sweden and Finland:

Those bloodthirsty Finnish agents. Never heard that one before. I wonder what part we had on that conspiracy. That was a sad day. Biggest loss of life ever in our territory, excluding wars.

Panoply_Prefect · 27th March 2007, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by ref

Those bloodthirsty Finnish agents. Never heard that one before. I wonder what part we had on that conspiracy. That was a sad day. Biggest loss of life ever in our territory, excluding wars.

Are you Finnish m8? Estonia was indeed a horrible accident, I believe some 800-900 persons died that night.

/S

ref · 27th March 2007, 02:34 PM

If you saw my guide post, I guess you already saw this one. But here are the most complete AA77 witness accounts I found

http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/witness.html

ETA: And these already were posted here under different links. Fast service as always

ref · 27th March 2007, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by SLOB

Are you Finnish m8? Estonia was indeed a horrible accident, I believe some 800-900 persons died that night.

/S

Yes, I'm Finnish. Estonia was the worst. But they also covered the Palme and Lindh murders here like they happened in our country. They were all over the news. Scandinavians, one big family.

thrombus29 · 27th March 2007, 02:46 PM

Thanks for the Estonia info, It didn't get much play with the nutballs here in the states.

27th March 2007, 12:16 PM	#1
Panoply_Prefect Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,075	AA77 witnesses Hi! Does anyone know of a good site with listings of all known witnesses who saw AA77, prefereably with a record of their statements? Cheers, S

27th March 2007, 12:23 PM	#3
apathoid Guest Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,918	Originally Posted by SLOB Hi! Does anyone know of a good site with listings of all known witnesses who saw AA77, prefereably with a record of their statements? Cheers, S http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...sses/bart.html http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...ses/sgydk.html
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27th March 2007, 12:25 PM	#4
chipmunk stew Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,448	http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoud.../witnesses.htm http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/sgydk.html http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...sses/bart.html http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...witnesses.html has a chart showing a breakdown of what people described seeing. edit: what apathoid said
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27th March 2007, 12:37 PM	#6
Anti-sophist Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,542	You've been asking for alot of evidence on the same subject recently SLOB. You are either writing a huge document or having a monstrous debate. You should post a link to it. I always like skimming debates in far-off corners of the internet.
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27th March 2007, 12:52 PM	#8
Anti-sophist Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,542	I don't read swedish
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27th March 2007, 12:20 PM	#2
T.A.M. Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,795	there is a thread made here recently, where the statements of some were posted, i think... TAM

27th March 2007, 12:30 PM	#5
Panoply_Prefect Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,075	Ah, tnx! That was fast - this is just one of the things this place does great! /S

27th March 2007, 12:50 PM	#7
Panoply_Prefect Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,075	Originally Posted by Anti-sophist You've been asking for alot of evidence on the same subject recently SLOB. You are either writing a huge document or having a monstrous debate. You should post a link to it. I always like skimming debates in far-off corners of the internet. Im afraid Im having a monstrous debate - unfortunately its in swedish. In short, its more or less one person, Heiwa, who claims AA77 didn't hit Pentagon and from what I can gather I think he gets most his material from Pilots for 911 truth. Among his claims have been that the NTSB didn't investigate the crash - which he alleged was in violation of international laws, he claimed that no aircraft debris was found at the Pentagon - photos are either planted, altered or showing something else. This thread was induced by his latest claim "No witness saw AA77 hit the Pentagon - since the plane wasn't painted". I remembered that a lot of witnesses said they saw "American Airlines" painted on the body, so hence this post. Its very educative for me, it has made me learn more than I could ever imagine about FDR's, the NTSB and its mandate, same with the FBI. The thread is located here, and I am using the same nym over there as here. The guys homepage can be found here (in english). He is deep into a Estonia-conspiracy as well, but thats more understandable given his background as Naval Architect and Marine Engineer. /S

27th March 2007, 12:55 PM	#9
Panoply_Prefect Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,075	Originally Posted by Anti-sophist I don't read swedish Ah, dont be put down. Most people dont.

27th March 2007, 01:42 PM	#10
thrombus29 Flame War Master and JREF kid Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,334	Is the Estonia conspiracy any good? I have never heard of that one.
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27th March 2007, 01:47 PM	#11
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27th March 2007, 01:47 PM	#12
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 26,078	Originally Posted by SLOB Im afraid Im having a monstrous debate - unfortunately its in swedish. In short, its more or less one person, Heiwa, who claims AA77 didn't hit Pentagon and from what I can gather I think he gets most his material from Pilots for 911 truth. Among his claims have been that the NTSB didn't investigate the crash - which he alleged was in violation of international laws, he claimed that no aircraft debris was found at the Pentagon - photos are either planted, altered or showing something else. This thread was induced by his latest claim "No witness saw AA77 hit the Pentagon - since the plane wasn't painted". I remembered that a lot of witnesses said they saw "American Airlines" painted on the body, so hence this post. Its very educative for me, it has made me learn more than I could ever imagine about FDR's, the NTSB and its mandate, same with the FBI. The thread is located here, and I am using the same nym over there as here. The guys homepage can be found here (in english). He is deep into a Estonia-conspiracy as well, but thats more understandable given his background as Naval Architect and Marine Engineer. /S When they bring up the NTSB accident thing, you know they are full of BS, just junk talk. Accidents are no on purpose. 9/11 was crime, why do people fall for the NTSB did not do an accident investigation lie. There is no accident to investigate. You will be an expert in many different systems, at a level greater than some managers. It takes no knowledge of anything to make up lies about 9/11. It takes facts to dismiss the idiot claims. This is why the truthers seem to be getting dumber, those who question their lies are getting smarter. Plus you are translating all this stuff back and forth. Extra credit!
	Last edited by beachnut; 27th March 2007 at 01:52 PM.

27th March 2007, 01:56 PM	#13
apathoid Guest Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,918	Originally Posted by SLOB Im afraid Im having a monstrous debate - unfortunately its in swedish. In short, its more or less one person, Heiwa, who claims AA77 didn't hit Pentagon and from what I can gather I think he gets most his material from Pilots for 911 truth. Among his claims have been that the NTSB didn't investigate the crash - which he alleged was in violation of international laws, he claimed that no aircraft debris was found at the Pentagon - photos are either planted, altered or showing something else. This thread was induced by his latest claim "No witness saw AA77 hit the Pentagon - since the plane wasn't painted". I remembered that a lot of witnesses said they saw "American Airlines" painted on the body, so hence this post. Its very educative for me, it has made me learn more than I could ever imagine about FDR's, the NTSB and its mandate, same with the FBI. The thread is located here, and I am using the same nym over there as here. The guys homepage can be found here (in english). He is deep into a Estonia-conspiracy as well, but thats more understandable given his background as Naval Architect and Marine Engineer. /S SLOB, I don't know if you saw this thread or not, but it contains alot of handy links to debunking 9/11 nonsense on many topics. Kudos to ref for compiling all the info..
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27th March 2007, 02:15 PM	#14
Panoply_Prefect Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,075	Originally Posted by thrombus29 Is the Estonia conspiracy any good? I have never heard of that one. Well, there are, as with 911, a few. The major one claims that the M/S Estonia was sunk because of secret government weapons smuggling from Russia via Sweden - sometimes involving the CIA. Jutta Rabe, a german citizen, made a CT-movie, starring no other than Donald Sutherland, focusing on transport of defense materials by the Swedish Armed Forces, and alleged cover-up of the true cause of the disaster. She even financed, illegal, divings at the site to get footage to include in the film. Christopher Bollyn, who also is present in the truther-movement has written a few articles. Anders Björkman, "HEIWA", has written a few books on the subject and he argues that a few of the victims from the crew, actually survived the accident, only to be murdered by "agents" from Sweden and Finland: Originally Posted by Anders Björkman It is quite amazing that the citizens of Estonia have allowed above to happen without further investigations. Evidently in 1994 Estonia was still suffering from 50 years of Soviet occupation and police state rule, but now we are in the year 2001, when Estonia has won the European popular television song contest and some normality has returned. To solve the mystery of the un-dead Estonians (probably murdered by Swedish and Finnish secret agents) young Estonians should really ask their government to re-open the full investigation of the Estonia sinking. It will really make Estonia part of Europe. Common traits of M/S Estonia and 911 are the call for a new investigation, government cover-up and the alleged use of explosives to bring it under. The Estonia accident is together with the murders of prime minister Olof Palme in 1986 and to lesser extent the murder of foreign minister Anna Lindh, the bulk of "native" Swedish conspiracy theories. /S

27th March 2007, 02:24 PM	#15
Panoply_Prefect Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,075	Originally Posted by beachnut It takes no knowledge of anything to make up lies about 9/11. It takes facts to dismiss the idiot claims. This is why the truthers seem to be getting dumber, those who question their lies are getting smarter. Yes, and thats why Im full of admiration for those who actually debate truthers live... Its easier to tell a lie, than to refute it. EDIT: Actually beachnut, I'd like to use that sentence as a sig, if thats ok with you. /S
	Last edited by Panoply_Prefect; 27th March 2007 at 02:29 PM.

27th March 2007, 02:27 PM	#16
Panoply_Prefect Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,075	Originally Posted by apathoid SLOB, I don't know if you saw this thread or not, but it contains alot of handy links to debunking 9/11 nonsense on many topics. Kudos to ref for compiling all the info.. Yes, I saw that - this forum is a true gold mine. However sometimes its hard to find the nuggets, with so many posts. In my defence, I did a Google search of the forum before posting this thread. I know stickies have a tendency of getting stale, but sometimes I wish this forum stickied such great threads. /S

27th March 2007, 02:28 PM	#17
ref Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,685	Originally Posted by SLOB Anders Björkman, "HEIWA", has written a few books on the subject and he argues that a few of the victims from the crew, actually survived the accident, only to be murdered by "agents" from Sweden and Finland: Those bloodthirsty Finnish agents. Never heard that one before. I wonder what part we had on that conspiracy. That was a sad day. Biggest loss of life ever in our territory, excluding wars.
ref Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,685	__________________ 9/11 Guide homepage Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit. - Chief Daniel Nigro

27th March 2007, 02:33 PM	#18
Panoply_Prefect Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,075	Originally Posted by ref Those bloodthirsty Finnish agents. Never heard that one before. I wonder what part we had on that conspiracy. That was a sad day. Biggest loss of life ever in our territory, excluding wars. Are you Finnish m8? Estonia was indeed a horrible accident, I believe some 800-900 persons died that night. /S

27th March 2007, 02:34 PM	#19
ref Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,685	If you saw my guide post, I guess you already saw this one. But here are the most complete AA77 witness accounts I found http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/witness.html ETA: And these already were posted here under different links. Fast service as always
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27th March 2007, 02:38 PM	#20
ref Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,685	Originally Posted by SLOB Are you Finnish m8? Estonia was indeed a horrible accident, I believe some 800-900 persons died that night. /S Yes, I'm Finnish. Estonia was the worst. But they also covered the Palme and Lindh murders here like they happened in our country. They were all over the news. Scandinavians, one big family.
ref Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,685	__________________ 9/11 Guide homepage Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit. - Chief Daniel Nigro

27th March 2007, 02:46 PM	#21
thrombus29 Flame War Master and JREF kid Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,334	Thanks for the Estonia info, It didn't get much play with the nutballs here in the states.
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