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(Ed) Browne does a reading for a woman whose son was electrocuted

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SHOW: The Montel Williams Show (5:00 PM ET) - SYND
DATE: November 20, 2002 Wednesday
LENGTH: 7742 words
HEADLINE: Sylvia Browne: cursed or bad luck?; guests' questions are answered about whether certain items they own are cursed
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HOST: Montel Williams
EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Montel Williams, Diane Rappoport
SYLVIA BROWNE: CURSED OR BAD LUCK?
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WILLIAMS: We'll be back right after this.

(Announcements)

WILLIAMS: Well, you know, our next guest wanted to talk to Sylvia Browne about her young son's accidental death, and she had no idea that Sylvia was about to surprise her at her own home. Take a look at this.

(Excerpt from videotape)

Ms. BROWNE: Montel, I'm on my way to one of the viewers. She doesn't even know I'm coming, but I'm on my way right now.

NANCY: (On phone) Hello?

Ms. BROWNE: Nancy, this is Sylvia.

NANCY: Yes?

Ms. BROWNE: Sylvia Browne.

NANCY: Oh, my gosh, hi. Oh, my gosh.

Ms. BROWNE: Listen, do you want to come to your door?

NANCY: Oh, my gosh! Oh, my gosh! Oh! Oh, my gosh! Oh, I'm shaking. Oh, Sylvia Browne. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh, I'm shocked. I'm shaking. Oh, my--oh, you look so beautiful.

Ms. BROWNE: You look good. Oh, now...

NANCY: I always see you so far away and on the TV screen.

Ms. BROWNE: Oh, bless your heart.

NANCY: Thank you so much.

Ms. BROWNE: Oh, you're welcome. I thought I'd make you a visit.

NANCY: I feel like I just won the lottery.

Ms. BROWNE: So what did you want to ask me? What did you want to tell me?

NANCY: I lost my son...

Ms. BROWNE: Oh, that's--that's the worst.

NANCY: ...July 14th. He was electrocuted.

Ms. BROWNE: Yes.

NANCY: One of his friends threw a metal rod onto the tracks...

Ms. BROWNE: Yes.

NANCY: ...and I'm not really sure what happened; you know, there are different stories. But he went to go get it, the metal off the tracks, and he didn't know about the third rail.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.

NANCY: What I used to think about, at the railroad tracks, you know, if you know if there was kind of foul play there.

Ms. BROWNE: Oh, no. No, no, no. This was a stupid kid goofy prank thing. You know what I mean? That was his exit point that he went.

NANCY: Does he like come around? Is he around?

Ms. BROWNE: He comes around. He comes around. See, it's funny because right through here, see, that's where I keep seeing him walk. Is that--is that where his room is?

NANCY: Yup.

Ms. BROWNE: See, 'cause that's where I keep seeing him walking. What about the swing?

NANCY: I was sleeping in his bed, and I just dozed off for, like, an hour. And all of a sudden I hear bang, bang. And his window is facing the back yard where the swing is. I jumped up, and I--I yelled, I said, 'Who's out there banging on the swing?' Went outside, I went in the back yard, I'm looking, nobody. But there was nobody there.

Ms. BROWNE: It's him. It's him banging a stick ...(unintelligible).

NANCY: To wake me up.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.

He also kept, like, a little bo--folder or a spiral.

NANCY: Yes, he did.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.

NANCY: Yeah, he used to do a lot of writing in there.

Ms. BROWNE: And a lot of drawing.

NANCY: Yes, a lot of drawing. Yes.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. Yeah. And he also loved rainbows for some reason.

NANCY: He loved colors.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, he loves the candles you light for him. He sees them.

NANCY: Yeah, he liked them a lot.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.

NANCY: He loved candles. He loved the candles. I remember we had a blackout, he was running through the house getting all the candles.

Ms. BROWNE: Running through the house with all the candles.

NANCY: 'Mom, here's the candles,' and lighting them.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.

NANCY: He just loved candles.

Sylvia, I just wanted to thank you so much for coming here.

Ms. BROWNE: Oh, bless your heart.

NANCY: It meant a lot to me. Thank you. God bless you for coming.

(End of excerpt)

WILLIAMS: Please welcome Nancy to the show. You had something else you wanted to tell Sylvia, right? You had something else you wanted to tell Sylvia?

NANCY: Yes. First of all, I want to thank you, Montel, for choosing me to have the privilege of having Sylvia come to my home. And, Sylvia, from the bottom of my heart, I know you know how much this meant to me.

Ms. BROWNE: I do.

NANCY: And you hit everything on the head that you said about my son. The candles I light often for him, and I put it right next to his picture. Building--he loves to build. The colors--he was going to build a go-cart with the colors of red and silver.

Ms. BROWNE: Silver and red.

NANCY: And the swing--you knew about the swing ahead of time. You asked me about the swing. He was so vibrant, and you hit it. You hit everything that you said on the head, ev--everything that went on in the home, and thank you.

Ms. BROWNE: Oh...

WILLIAMS: Can I just ask you this, though? Now that she did that, did that help to bring your some peace?

NANCY: Oh, yes.

WILLIAMS: That's wonderful.

NANCY: I have nothing but wanted to have some kind of peace with this. And I used to pray to him, say, 'Kevin, please help me through this. Help me get some kind of comfort.' Because I've had--the last four months have been really tough, and you have helped me a lot. And I--I thank you.

Ms. BROWNE: Oh.

WILLIAMS: Thank you, Sylvia. Thank you.

Let me take a little break. We'll be back right after this.
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Anyone know what Browne meant by "his exit point"? Also, basically Browne answers "yes" to this woman's questions, and repeats what the woman told Browne.

I think the above reading is related to this case and this article from the NY Times.
 
Questioninggeller said:
Anyone know what Browne meant by "his exit point"?
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In Browne's theology, we all "chart" our lives on "the other side" before we are born. The chart includes all major events in your life.

To my understanding, your "exit point" is the moment that you have charted yourself to die, exiting this life.
 
"We chart our blueprint before we come here and write five "exit points" into our charts – five different opportunities to exit this life and go Home again. Before you leave home, you leave five options for that return, at various stages throughout the trip.

You have made a promise to yourself that no matter how much you yearn for Home while you are gone, you will see this trip through until you have fulfilled your prearranged goals. If that turns out to be only a week, or as long as twelve years, the five exit points are simply the five means of transportation you reserve for yourself before you leave Home, and it is your choice to decide which of those five to take along the way, depending on when you feel you have learned all you needed.

Some exit points are obvious, but other exit points are so subtle that you might not have recognized them for what they are – a sudden "wrong" turn on a freeway exit or a last minute flight change or cancellation. Something as seemingly trivial as silly delays that keep you from leaving the house when you’d planned to. Whether or not you’re aware of your exit points, it’s part of life’s magic, and God’s, that there really are no accidents.

Please don’t panic if you think back on the exit points you’ve had and realize that there have been four of them already. You didn’t space them out evenly. Decades can pass from one exit point to the other."

Excerpt from Sylvia Browne's "The Other Side and Back"
 
SeekingTruth said:
"We chart our blueprint before we come here and write five "exit points" into our charts – five different opportunities to exit this life and go Home again. Before you leave home, you leave five options for that return, at various stages throughout the trip.

You have made a promise to yourself that no matter how much you yearn for Home while you are gone, you will see this trip through until you have fulfilled your prearranged goals. If that turns out to be only a week, or as long as twelve years, the five exit points are simply the five means of transportation you reserve for yourself before you leave Home, and it is your choice to decide which of those five to take along the way, depending on when you feel you have learned all you needed.

Some exit points are obvious, but other exit points are so subtle that you might not have recognized them for what they are – a sudden "wrong" turn on a freeway exit or a last minute flight change or cancellation. Something as seemingly trivial as silly delays that keep you from leaving the house when you’d planned to. Whether or not you’re aware of your exit points, it’s part of life’s magic, and God’s, that there really are no accidents.

Please don’t panic if you think back on the exit points you’ve had and realize that there have been four of them already. You didn’t space them out evenly. Decades can pass from one exit point to the other."

Excerpt from Sylvia Browne's "The Other Side and Back"
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I imagine this idea sells because it allays fear of our own death (ie. we chose our own means of dying so it can't be THAT bad), and consoles people who have lost loved ones under horrific circumstances. Because you know, you might CHOOSE to die by being raped and murdered at the age of 18 months.

Maybe it's only so obvious because it's in writing, but Sylvia's cold reading in this case is so blatant it's embarrassing. She mostly just says "yes" after the woman has given some information about her son.
 
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NANCY: Oh, my gosh! Oh, my gosh! Oh! Oh, my gosh! Oh, I'm shaking. Oh, Sylvia Browne. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh, I'm shocked. I'm shaking. Oh, my--oh, you look so beautiful.
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I'm having trouble getting past the bolded part ...
 
1) This poor woman treating her like a celebrity is hilarious. In person, she has less charisma than the horse in Seabiscuit. Though she comes off as less obnoxious than on TV.

Montel, though, is very charismatic and engaging and an extremely convincing and dynamic speaker. He can bs and spin circles without end but the way he says it, he can convince you he's actually saying something. He lends her class and legitimacy...

2) I loved candles as a kid. Oh my, how I loved them. I remember one Christmas Eve when my sister and I set out every candle in the house on the table until even my mom couldn't take it and started yelling that there were more candles than food on the table and that the living room looked like a cementary.

I've kept a notebook all my life. Drawing and writing. Loved colors, too.
 
Alareth said:
I'm having trouble getting past the bolded part ...
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Speaking of which, I could hardly recognize her in that "German man reading" video with Randi. I bet $700 a reading buys you a good deal of plastic surgery. Now if she only splurged on a decent hairstylist every now and then.
 
Pythra said:
Maybe it's only so obvious because it's in writing, but Sylvia's cold reading in this case is so blatant it's embarrassing. She mostly just says "yes" after the woman has given some information about her son.
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And even though Sylvia sees the son "running around", she has to ask the mother which room is his.
OK. so the woman ended up with some "closure", but she and her grief were blatantly exploited, for the sake of a tacky TV show.
 
Pythra said:
Maybe it's only so obvious because it's in writing, but Sylvia's cold reading in this case is so blatant it's embarrassing. She mostly just says "yes" after the woman has given some information about her son.
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That poor woman was so star struck. She was also a huge believer in SB.
I'm sure her being chosen as an impromptu visit by SB was no where near as random as the TV show made it appear. She could of and probably did send a letter to the show before hand. I'm sure that letter read like SB was God herself. There is no way that SB would ever just show up at someones house without knowing exactly what was going to happen.
SB could of just nodded her head the whole time and never spoke a word and the woman would of thought she nailed everything.

Now I wonder what the same womans reaction would have been if SB wasn't on TV and introduced herself by saying, "Hi! I'm here to use the memory of your dead son and your grieve of his loss to make a quick buck."?
 
SeekingTruth said:
"We chart our blueprint before we come here and write five "exit points" into our charts – five different opportunities to exit this life and go Home again. Before you leave home, you leave five options for that return, at various stages throughout the trip.

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Excerpt from Sylvia Browne's "The Other Side and Back"
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Five, why five, and how does she know? :confused:
What a load of bollocks! :mad:
 
Nothing special here. I think most people could walk into a house and tell you which way to go to get to the bedrooms. I agree with Brattus - the mother must have written to SB and probably told her most of what she needed to know. About 3 months passed between the accident and the visitation, plenty of time to find out everything.
 
Plus, those are things you can say of many bright 10-year-olds. Keeps a notebook, draws and writes? Likes colors and rainbows? Has a swing and likes candles? That could describe me at that age.
 
Sasha said:
Nothing special here. I think most people could walk into a house and tell you which way to go to get to the bedrooms. I agree with Brattus - the mother must have written to SB and probably told her most of what she needed to know. About 3 months passed between the accident and the visitation, plenty of time to find out everything.
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I don't think this was a hot reading. If so, she sure did a poor job of it. I think the only "hit" that she actually gave (as opposed to echoing or saying "yes" to info the woman provided as if she already knew it) was that he kept a book or spiral folder thing. (A useful thing to tell the bereaved mother. I think you'd have a hard time finding a kid who didn't have a book, notebook, folder or spiral bound thing.) She said he liked rainbows, and the woman shoehorned that to mean he liked colors. (Unlike most children who prefer black and white!)

The mother interpreted Sylvia's question "What about the swing?" to mean that her dream of a banging sound was her son's ghost haunting her by hitting the swing with a stick.

NANCY: And you hit everything on the head that you said about my son. The candles I light often for him, and I put it right next to his picture. Building--he loves to build. The colors--he was going to build a go-cart with the colors of red and silver.
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So here are what the victim claims are the hits: the candles, building, the colors especially red and silver.

None of this is information Sylvia provided.

Here's the candles part:
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, he loves the candles you light for him. He sees them.

NANCY: Yeah, he liked them a lot.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.

NANCY: He loved candles. He loved the candles. I remember we had a blackout, he was running through the house getting all the candles.

Ms. BROWNE: Running through the house with all the candles.

NANCY: 'Mom, here's the candles,' and lighting them.
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Obviously, Sylvia was talking about candles the mother was lighting for the boy after his death. (Probably available in plain sight in the house.) The woman took that to mean that Sylvia knew the child liked candles during the blackout when he was alive.

I don't think ANYONE mentioned building things before or after the woman counted it as a hit.

About the colors, see above (he liked rainbows is not the same as he liked colors especially silver and red--ever seen silver in a rainbow?) There was no mention of the colors silver and red until the woman counted it as a hit, and then Sylvia knowingly echoed back "Silver and red."



This is very simple cold-reading. The mother could take pretty much anything you say and make it fit. Also, Sylvia just said "yes" a number of times as if she already knew the information the mother was saying through psychic means.
 
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