ZEITGEIST, The Movie

News has reached me (via the Randi MySpace profile) of a new 9/11 conspiracy video, Zeitgeist. They also have their own website http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

The MySpace conspiracy chat forums are all excited about it, although there is some disagreement about the highly religious (apparently strongly Catholic) content.

google video said:

What does Christianity, 911 and The Federal Reserve have in common?

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Zeitgeist.com said:

Zeitgeist was created as a not for profit work to inspire people to start looking at the world
from a more critical perspective.

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Couldn't find any reference to it via the forum search facility (although you'll probably prove me wrong in a heartbeat), so I thought I'd share here. Enjoy.

I'm 6 minutes in and frankly insulted they would call this a movie. It's a music video at the moment and not a very good one.

edit: Jesus, I have my subwoofer on the lowest setting and it is far too bassy, whoever EQd this did not have a good set of monitors. Also 15 minutes in, still nothing interesting.

edit: This gets even better, 'horizon' is apparently from 'horus'. It is not, it is from 'horizontem'.

Also sunset is from the Egyptian god Set. I did see a beautiful Sunhorus this morning.

A couple of conspiracists are buzzing about it- apparently it's quite anti-religious, which is odd for a conspiracy movie.

I have only watched the first 6 minutes or so- it's a black screen with some unnamed person giving a lecture. A lot of non-specific tripe so far.

This is probably going to be another one of those sophists movies. Going on and on and not saying anything specific or supported.

When conspiracists start making movies like the MythBusters make shows, I'll be interested.

Just skipped around as much as I could stand to watch. Imagine "The God who wasn't there" " Loose Change" and "America: Freedom to Fascism" put in a cannon.... fired off.... and then re-edited together. And I do mean that. Footage from those three movies were used.

Aah, I see.
The conspiracists' chats I'd been seeing all seemed to suggest the content was very much pro-religion. I might guess they're as wrong about most things in life as they are about 9/11.

Sounds like I'm missing nothing by not having watched it yet.

I am 1 hour and 31 minutes in. This is the most unadulterated, pressure-packed barrel of bull[rule8] I have yet seen in my life.

Part One: Why the Jews and the Christians Are Evil
Part Two: Why 9/11 Was An Inside Job
Part Three: Why the International Bankers Have Been Getting Away With It For Centuries

All of our favorites are here. It moves from CT to CT so fast that a library would have be dedicated to debunking the whole thing. It's insidious.

ETA: OMG, they used a clip of Carl Sagan at the end! Sweet Sufferin' Jeebus.

I watched it last week and while I enjoyed the fruitcake first third about religion because it was new to me, the 9-11 nonsense was the same old, same old. I did not finish the last segment about the international bankers.

Who is the rather pompous and overly verbose quasi-postmodernist at the beginning?

I watched as far as the Flight 175 impact pornography complete with car crash sound effects.

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edit: This gets even better, 'horizon' is apparently from 'horus'. It is not, it is from 'horizontem'.

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I read that and my brain stopped. Quick! What year is it?!?!?11

Brainster said:

I watched it last week and while I enjoyed the fruitcake first third about religion because it was new to me, the 9-11 nonsense was the same old, same old. I did not finish the last segment about the international bankers.

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"Fruitcake first third" is right. I am an atheist, and my head pounded three holes into the drywall watching that nuttiness.

Anyway, the whole thing's plagiarized and we are starting to get bombarded with this over at DU. Somebody wants me to point out some lies in the silly thing, and is upset with me because I say things like "Well, start at about the beginning, and right around where the end is? That's all lies."

Here's where I'm pointing people to for more information:

The God Who Wasn't There analysis
Loose Change Guide
Debunking Federal Reserve CTs
Income Tax myths

I'm liking what I see at the GWWT analysis because the guy seems to be like me, ready to accept the basic premise but stoked about how the numbskull goes about "proving" it.

Apparently the truther community is buzzing about it. A truther here, I believe, or at SLC blog called it, I'll let you guess....undebunkable, and the best movie from the truth movement.

I will not watch it, as reviews here tell me all I need to know.

TAM

I didn't get far in. I listened to the guy lecturing in the dark, inside the echoey (presumably empty) lecture hall, watched the flashy thing trying to give me a seizure, and pretty space stuff (I liked that), then the BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM thing. I noticed there's over 2 hours of this stuff and gave up.

I would like to hear about this movie. I have not been able to watch it due to strict policies.

The policy is that I will not watch anything that makes me sit for 10 minutes listening to sinister music while displaying quotes. If someone has a point to make, they would not have to rely on cheap tricks.

If there is a version where all this crap is edited out, i would be really interested in watching.

Jonnyclueless said:

I would like to hear about this movie. I have not been able to watch it due to strict policies.

The policy is that I will not watch anything that makes me sit for 10 minutes listening to sinister music while displaying quotes. If someone has a point to make, they would not have to rely on cheap tricks.

If there is a version where all this crap is edited out, i would be really interested in watching.

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From the sound of it, there wouldn't be anything left.

Jonnyclueless said:

I would like to hear about this movie. I have not been able to watch it due to strict policies.

The policy is that I will not watch anything that makes me sit for 10 minutes listening to sinister music while displaying quotes. If someone has a point to make, they would not have to rely on cheap tricks.

If there is a version where all this crap is edited out, i would be really interested in watching.

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The originals. LOL.

Actually, I'm serious. Merola hasn't just borrowed heavily from other CT films out there - the movie is nothing but wholesale blocks of other people's materials. It has the tacit approval (or outright approval) of some, though - Prison Planet recognizes the use of Terror Storm on an announcement about the piece.

This seems to be Merola's video for his live presentation, which would presumably include his live musical accompaniment to many parts of the video that lack other sound. Merola is really interested in brainwashing people, and like most brainwashed subjects, the converts are running around trying to "unbrainwash" everyone by making them watch the movie.

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If there is a version where all this crap is edited out, i would be really interested in watching.

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Here is the version with all the crap edited out....()

TAM

boloboffin said:

Merola hasn't just borrowed heavily from other CT films out there - the movie is nothing but wholesale blocks of other people's materials. It has the tacit approval (or outright approval) of some, though - Prison Planet recognizes the use of Terror Storm on an announcement about the piece.

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It's a recognition that this stuff is all seat-of-the-pants and that maybe somebody will come up with the ultimate mix that will turn us all into Zombies for 9-11 Denial. Or maybe lots of people delivering their own personal message will turn enough into semi-"Truthers" to expand the market for tee shirts and videos.

That said, I have long been a proponent of the type of marketing these folks are using; "Give it away and eventually loyal customers will pay for it."

T.A.M. said:

Here is the version with all the crap edited out....()

TAM

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That's what I said...

(Well, almost.)

Edit: Huh? The [post] code makes an embedded window with the other post in it? That's not what the help seems to say it does?

so called "generally well-educated crowd"?

You know this discussion has been stated in someone's blog (do a google search for Zeitgeist Movie The Great Realization) as being "where a generally well-educated crowd picks apart at it a bit."

Hardly well-educated to me. Most of you have discredited it after seeing only 6 minutes of it, despite it having a 9 minute introduction of almost entirely music (although I agree this introduction is a little unneccesary).

"'horizon' is apparently from 'horus'" I've now seen it twice and I didn't once hear anyone mention horus leading onto horizon. Even if i did miss it, twice, surely there are plenty of other more relevant statements that you could focus on discrediting than one small point regarding language. Afterall that part of the film was focussing on religion, something that you all have avoided to discuss.

My advice to you so called well-educated crowd is that maybe you should educate yourself by watching the film entirely before passing such self-righteous judgement on it.

My review? It's certainly flawed, it's unneccesarily melodramatic and it's hypocritical at times for lacking substance in it's convictions. However, it's also very refreshing, educating, challenging, mind opening... it certainly can do no more harm than your government and media does in the same amount of time.

I'm all for being cynical, I think it's an essential prerequisite for reading any newspaper these days. However, you guys all seem to be capable of only skepticism... i'm still waiting too see evidence of educated discussion.

The 2nd part about 9/11 is the film's weakest part, but it's there for a reason. The 3rd part of the film is extremely hard to swallow, but something everybody should be aware of, so, in the unlikely case that it is true, at least we can see it coming.