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Last Sylvia Browne thread I start, I promise! This time, I have hit PAY- dirt! :D

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Browne wrong again- Angela Lee...Am I pleased to say that :D .

Copyright 2007 St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Inc.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch (Missouri)
April 28, 2007 Saturday
THIRD EDITION

HEADLINE: Man is charged in '03 slaying

BYLINE: By Erik Potter Post-Dispatch Springfield Bureau

DATELINE: CARLINVILLE, Ill.

BODY:

Nearly four years after the killing of 22-year-old Angela Lee of East Gillespie, Ill., sheriff's officials have arrested a Litchfield man in the slaying.

Macoupin County Sheriff Don Albrecht announced Friday the arrest of Anthony Ashby, 27.
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Funny, that's not what Sylvia Browne told Angela's mother, Deborah!

MONTEL WILLIAMS, HOST

We have some guests that have some questions for you like our first guest whose daughter-and I hate to go from having fun but to talk about something very serious...

SYLVIA BROWNE, BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WORLD RENOWNED PSYCHIC

Yeah.

MONTEL WILLIAMS, HOST

...brutally murdered in 2003. Police are still looking for her killer. And the crazy thing about this, Sylvia, is that you hear about this from time to time. This woman was a mother, a young child, had been out, I think, neighbors saw her out walking around earlier in the day with the girl.

SYLVIA BROWNE, BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WORLD RENOWNED PSYCHIC

Right.
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Text has been shortened because it is copyrighted. Eeney, please see the PM I sent you yesterday.
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EeneyMinnieMoe said:
MONTEL WILLIAMS, HOST

So if he did this once, I'd say the person would do it again.

SYLVIA BROWNE, BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WORLD RENOWNED PSYCHIC

Do it again.
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:rolleyes: I love how Sylvia always repeats what the person just said and makes it look like that's what she already knew and was going to say.
Please don't stop the threads though... all of this info coming out about her can only be helpful in "stopping" her.
 
I found your OP impossible to read in the format it's in, mainly due to the repeated "SYLVIA BROWNE, BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WORLD RENOWNED PSYCHIC" all the way through.
 
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I found your OP impossible to read in the format it's in, mainly due to the repeated "SYLVIA BROWNE, BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WORLD RENOWNED PSYCHIC" all the way through.
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I agree with Tkingdoll...makes for a tough read, and I really didn't see the "pay dirt" aspect.

Though, don't stop :) The SB threads are quite funny (from the aspect of how wrong she is).

I wonder what case SB is talking about when she says "it's like that one case--I can't remember the name of the girl. I was on Paula Zahn Show. And the bracelet was right there and I kept saying, it's right in front of you. The police kept walking over it."

Anyone know?
 
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I found your OP impossible to read in the format it's in, mainly due to the repeated "SYLVIA BROWNE, BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WORLD RENOWNED PSYCHIC" all the way through.
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I think that's in the transcripts to show what captions were displayed on the TV screen during the broadcast.

I agree though, maybe a severely edited version would be easier to follow--especially since you provide the link to the full transcript.


So in summary: police arrested one Anthony Ashby for the murder, and they're confident they've got the right guy.

Sylvia mentioned a name that the network censored (who was a name connected with the case--obviously something she got as a hot read).

I'm guessing no one will ever say what name she said. The article said that the father of the victim had never met Ashby before--which doesn't mean he wasn't already a suspect in the case back during Sylvia's reading. Still--it'd be nice if we had the name she said to be a clear black/white right or wrong guess.

The other stuff she said is unconfirmed (also not ruled out) at least right now. (The knife, the other victim, a "college girl".)

We definitely need a separate Sylvia subforum. . . .
 
On the subject of editing down the transcript: I can see EMM's dilemma, though. Would it be more clear to have a bunch of <snip> tags all over the place? Just editing it without indicating missing info would not be a legit quote.
 
Here it is again, a bit cleaned up

WILLIAMS: We have some guests that have some questions for you like our first guest whose daughter-and I hate to go from having fun but to talk about something very serious...

BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: ...brutally murdered in 2003. Police are still looking for her killer. And the crazy thing about this, Sylvia, is that you hear about this from time to time. This woman was a mother, a young child, had been out, I think, neighbors saw her out walking around earlier in the day with the girl.

BROWNE: Right.

WILLIAMS: Then a person literally went into the home, fortunately the child probably went and hid, but murdered this mother in the home while the child was there. Four hours later, this little boy had to live--stay in the house with his mom.

BROWNE: While she was...

WILLIAMS: While she was dead. Take a look at this.

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DEBORAH: I had a wonderful relationship with my daughter. We were more than mother and daughter. We were best friends. Most of all, she loved her son, Dayton, more than anything in the world. My life was changed forever Wednesday, July 30th of 2003. It was about 9:30 at night, and a police officer came walking up my sidewalk. Angela had been murdered. Angela was beaten and strangled to death. I couldn't even see her one last time. To tell her good-bye. My grandson was left in the house with Angie after she had been murdered for almost four hours. Four long hours. What I would like to know from Sylvia is who did it, why they did it to get this person behind bars before, you know, they do this to another family.

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WILLIAMS: Please welcome Deborah to the show. What is so disturbing is that this person did this in front of a child, and knew he did this in front of a child.

APPLAUSE

BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: And that person is still out there.

BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: So if he did this once, I'd say the person would do it again.

BROWNE: Do it again.

WILLIAMS: What do you think? I'm sorry, Debbie, you should ask the questions. I'm sorry. You wanted to ask Sylvia a question, go ahead.

DEBORAH: That's okay. Thank you. Yeah, you know, we just don't have any answers, yet. Our world was turned upside down July 30th, 2003.

BROWNE: Sure it was.

DEBORAH: They've had leads, but we just don't have any solid answers. I'd like to know if, you know, we don't know where the murder weapon is.

WILLIAMS: There's something that's also weird. No forced entry.

BROWNE: Right.

WILLIAMS: No rape.

BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: No sexual assault.

BROWNE: Right. Just a serial killer.

WILLIAMS: No burglary.

BROWNE: It's a serial killer.

WILLIAMS: Okay.

BROWNE: Yeah, you know how long it took them to gut Bundy.

WILLIAMS: Right.

BROWNE: This guy's name is (censored by network).

DEBORAH: Oh, I know who that is.

WILLIAMS: You know the name?

DEBORAH: I know that name.

BROWNE: Well, if you know the name, that's...

WILLIAMS: You should pass that information on.

BROWNE: Would you please?

DEBORAH: Thank you.

BROWNE: 'Cause I mean, how many people have that name.

WILLIAMS: Anything, anything that will, you know...

DEBORAH: I need something, yes.

WILLIAMS: That's what I was gonna say, start probing you for the name. You know me, I (unintelligible).

BROWNE: Yeah, I know you. You'd be like a bulldog.

WILLIAMS: I know. Watch this. Is there something somewhere, a piece of evidence somewhere, something on the ground, something nearby, something that he may have thrown away, something else that we may be able to tie?

BROWNE: Well, there was--there is a knife in a bush. Right near where she is.

WILLIAMS: A knife in a bush.

BROWNE: Yeah. You know, sometimes it's so obvious, it's like that one case--I can't remember the name of the girl. I was on Paula Zahn Show. And the bracelet was right there and I kept saying, it's right in front of you. The police kept walking over it.

WILLIAMS: So there's a knife somewhere in that immediate location that may have DNA, may have some sort of evidence on it.

BROWNE: Yeah, yeah.

WILLIAMS: So will this be solved?

BROWNE: Oh, yeah. Because she even knows who this-I mean, she knows the name and everything.

WILLIAMS: Could there have been another link case nearby? If it's a serial killer, there may be another one that they can...

BROWNE: Yeah, there was a college student, a college girl. So you ask the police.

WILLIAMS: Ask about a college student who may have been beaten to death, similar or something close to that, near that in that region.

DEBORAH: Did he tell anyone else? Does anyone else know he did this to her?

BROWNE: Yeah, there is a friend by the name of (censored by network) that knows.

DEBORAH: Okay. Thank you.
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You know, sometimes it's so obvious, it's like that one case--I can't remember the name of the girl...
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LOL!! A psychic can't remember a name. That's rich.
 
The point is the guy was caught so she was proven demonstrably wrong.

She said it was a serial killer but there was no indication he had ever killed someone before. She mentioned that he had killed a college girl in the area but it looks like no such person exists. She said he had left a knife that could be tested for blood but it looks like the case was solved through persistant police work. She have a name that she might have hot-read but the killer, it turns out, was someone unknown to the family who didn't know his victim.
 
The guy who did it was caught? How do we know that? They arrested someone and did not even divulge any details of what led the investigation to the suspect. He may or may not be guilty.

yes, Sylvia's a joke, but I'm just saying... :p
 
I find quite a bit oo amusement in watching the Montell Williams Show and listening to Browne rambling on with her nonsense. Anyone recall Browne stating on a live radio program where she said the miners who were trapped in Virginia would all be found alive? A few minutes later it was announced that all but one of the miners had survived. How does this woman sleep at night. :mad:
 
Jayoss said:
Anyone recall Browne stating on a live radio program where she said the miners who were trapped in Virginia would all be found alive? A few minutes later it was announced that all but one of the miners had survived. How does this woman sleep at night. :mad:
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Yes, Jayoss. You can read a transcript, and listen to the actual audio of that, in this article on the Stop Sylvia Browne site:

Coast To Coast AM: The Sago Mining Disaster
 
I feel bad for the person that Sylvia mentioned who was known by Deborah. Imagine the hell they put the poor innocent guy through.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
The point is the guy was caught so she was proven demonstrably wrong.
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That's assuming the person she named wasn't this very guy. It's a good assumption (because I'm sure she'd be parading it as a solved crime if it were), but since we don't know what name she said, it is an assumption.

Again, we know the name Sylvia gave was known to the mother, and we know the father had never met Anthony Ashby before. (Someone can be known without ever having been met, and the experience of the mother could be different than that of the father.)

Has anyone leaked out what name she said?
She said it was a serial killer but there was no indication he had ever killed someone before. She mentioned that he had killed a college girl in the area but it looks like no such person exists. She said he had left a knife that could be tested for blood but it looks like the case was solved through persistant police work. She have a name that she might have hot-read but the killer, it turns out, was someone unknown to the family who didn't know his victim.
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All she has to do is say that that's all information that simply hasn't come to light yet. Maybe after the trial when details come to light we'll know whether or not the knife was right, but just because the guy isn't known to have committed other murders doesn't mean he isn't a serial killer. (I know I know--there's no string of unsolved murders in the area, and it's incredibly unlikely that searches of his home wouldn't have turned up evidence of other murders, but as they say "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".)

That's why she does things the way she does. Most of her readings contain very little falsifiable material.

Of course, that's also the reason why they're always useless as "help" to solve these cases.

I think the way they should always be evaluated is the same way rewards for information on crimes are evaluated: whether or not that info led to an arrest and conviction. Otherwise, she can claim a bunch of blurry possible hits --when it's obvious she did not help solve the crime.
 
Be careful here. Presumed innocent until proven guilty. They have charged a guy, but you have to use the word "alleged" until convicted. This does not disprove Sylvia, and you shouldn't say it does until he's convicted, otherwise the woos will be all over you.
 
Eeney, I couldn't see how this was "pay-dirt" last night, but chalked it up to the fever I'm having. Reading it in the light of day (and at somewhere around 98.6F), I have to agree with the Bad Astronomer here. It may well turn into a good story, and we need to keep an eye on it, but let's be careful about jumping the gun on conclusions, particularly where court decisions are involved.

Thanks for finding it!
 
Sylvia Brown Poo said the word "yeah" TWELVE times in that whole segment. Twelve. And she hardly said much else.

A Future Sylvia/Montel Show Segment:

Montel: Please welcome world renowed psychic and author of the book, "Psychic Children", Sylvia Browne!

APPLAUSE. Sylvia walks out.

Browne: Yeah.

Sylvia sits down in her chair.

Montel: What's up, girlfriend?! I hear you just went on a cruise.

Sylvia: Yeah.

Montel: That must have been exciting!

Sylvia: Yeah, it was.

Montel: (pointing to an audience member) Stand up. You have a question for Sylvia?

Woman: Yes, I'd like to know if my husband made it to the other side.

Sylvia: Yeah.

Woman: (in tears) Thank you.

Another Female Audience Member: Sylvia, what is my spirit guide's name?

Sylvia: Yeah... oh, I mean... no, of course it isn't "yeah".

Audience laughs uproariously.

Sylvia: Uh... it's Maureen.

Male Audience Member: Sylvia, am I gonna be okay financially for the rest of this year?

Sylvia: Yeah.

Older Female Audience Member: Hello, Sylvia. So happy to be able to talk to you.

Sylvia: Oh, bless your heart.

Female Audience Member: (starts crying) I've been battling cancer for the past six years... I don't think I'm gonna make it. Will my children be OK?

Sylvia: Yeah... well, see, yeah... you're not gonna die. Not soon. Not in... oh, I'd say twenty five years!

Female Audience Member: Really?

Sylvia: Yeah. Listen, I'm not a doctor... I, you know, am more holistic. Get yourself some lecithin. L-E-C-I-T-H-I-N. You can get it at any drug store and it will cure you of cancer.

Female Audience Member: Lecithin?

Sylvia: Yeah.

Female Audience Member: Lecithin?!

Sylvia: Yeah.

Female Audience Member: LECITHIN?!?!

Sylvia: Yeah!

Shot of female audience member with her jaw dropped, looking like the happiest woman in the world.

Female Audience Member: THANK YOU, SYLVIA! YOU'RE THE BEST!

Sylvia: Yeah.

Montel: Let's take a break.

Sylvia: Yeah, let's.

Cue the Montel theme music.

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