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Browne Wrong Again- Dustin Ivey

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October 26, 2005 Wednesday

http://web.lexis-nexis.com.proxy.we...z-zSkVA&_md5=e9bd5c6c13a39de2adbaaac8455c434b

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WILLIAMS: My next guest has no idea who killed her son. I want you to take a look at this.

(Excerpt from videotape)

WILLIAMS: On October 8th, 2004, Dustin, a fun-loving 13-year-old, mysteriously vanished. Dustin called his mom to ask if he could attend a party at a local corn field.

TAMARRA: He wanted to go to the corn maze, and I told him no. And he said that he was going to clean the whole house, that he knew I would take him `whenever you got home.' And his last words that he said to me was, `I love you, Mommy.'

WILLIAMS: Tamarra called back a few minutes later, but there was no answer.

TAMARRA: And I knew then that something was wrong. Dustin has never left this house without calling my cell phone or leaving me a note.

WILLIAMS: After a night of searching, family members and police made a gruesome discovery. Dustin's body was found at a nearby lake. He'd been sexually molested and beaten to death.

TAMARRA: I got within about--about four inches of being able to have him in my arms when the cops caught me and pulled me backwards. I kept telling them, if they would just try--if they would just let me touch him, then he would breathe for me.

WILLIAMS: Who would want to kill this quiet, popular teen-ager? Will Tamarra ever know, or will the answers remain buried at the bottom of this lake?

(End of excerpt)

WILLIAMS: Please welcome Tamarra to the show. It's got to be hell to just--to have something like this happen to your family. Let me ask the first question. Will this be solved?

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, it will be solved, but it was somebody by the name of...(name censored by network). This is a teen-ager that he had known or knew of him or whatever, that was like a predator.

WILLIAMS: Is this person still in the neighborhood, still in the area?

Ms. BROWNE: Yes, yeah.

TAMARRA: Has this person been back in my house?

Ms. BROWNE: Yes. See, what bothers me is we had a show before, and some of these people have such egos, they don't think anybody's ever going to track them. But this is a young, teen-age person.

TAMARRA: Is there a female involved?

Ms. BROWNE: A dark-haired young--did you know about that?

TAMARRA: Yeah. The neighbor also seen him.

Ms. BROWNE: OK, well--OK, but if I get--do you understand what I'm saying? If I get this much right, why can't I have this much right?

TAMARRA: OK.

WILLIAMS: Go double-check this. Do you think this will be solved soon?

Ms. BROWNE: Oh, yeah, I think it's going to be solved really soon, because the girl's name is...(name censored by network). Listen, there's a lot of kids that my granddaughter or my sons knew that I don't know. You know what I'm saying?

TAMARRA: Right. Right.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: And a lot of kids in the neighborhood who may have nicknames that people go by.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.

TAMARRA: Can you tell me, when they got to the creek, to the bridge, was he already dead when he went over the side?

Ms. BROWNE: Yes.

TAMARRA: Was there a hammer involved?

Ms. BROWNE: No, a rock. People are just crazy anymore, you know, honest to God. If...

TAMARRA: Why?

WILLIAMS: Has this person does this before?

Ms. BROWNE: Yes. This is a sexual predator, though, do you know--do you understand what I'm saying? Didn't you know that this was sexual?

WILLIAMS: Yeah, it was, it was.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. But I was going to say, if she didn't, I don't to upset her, but I mean...

TAMARRA: They told me that it wasn't sexual.

Ms. BROWNE: Well, it was.

TAMARRA: I know his shorts was unzipped.

Ms. BROWNE: Hello.

WILLIAMS: I think if--if you go and just--just start with this, and then maybe...

Ms. BROWNE: I--the good news about this is that--this is how insane people are--whatever sexually happened was after he was gone, thank God. Do you see what I'm saying?

TAMARRA: Yeah.

Ms. BROWNE: In other words, if--let's say hypothetically I take you, which I never--but let's say hypothetically, I hit you in the head, and then I do whatever I want to, and then I throw you overboard. Do you see what I'm saying?

TAMARRA: Right. Yeah.

Ms. BROWNE: That's exactly how that happened.

TAMARRA: Did he ever make it to the corn maze?

Ms. BROWNE: No. But they told him that that's where they were going to take him.

TAMARRA: Right.

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Well, one thing Browne had right, the killer sure did know him! Oh, did he ever:

http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=5092324
 
So Montel must have made a mistake in his opening and reported the child was sexually molested by a predator when the truth was that he was killed in the heat of passion by someone with no history of sex crime.

And SB repeated it and incorporated it into the reading. And when the mother negated it, she insisted on it only to be proven wrong when the real killer was found. This is all the proof you need of cold reading.

Check out this exchange. How to tell the mother of a murdered child her son was raped:

TAMARRA: I know his shorts was unzipped.

Ms. BROWNE: Hello.
 
I'm sorry, I might have spoken too soon- Richard Collier was eventually acquitted because of insufficient evidence.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
I'm sorry, I might have spoken too soon- Richard Collier was eventually acquitted because of insufficient evidence.
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But SB still didn't pick up anything about the dead kid's wallet being dropped in the house, and the mother finding it and not reporting it. With the mother sitting right there in front of her!
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
I'm sorry, I might have spoken too soon- Richard Collier was eventually acquitted because of insufficient evidence.
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:confused: One of the links in your second post has the following...

According to police, Collier has admitted to beating Dustin to death in October of 2004.
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His confession wasn't enough to put him away?

Steve S.
 
Was he tried and acquitted, or was there perhaps a plea deal?

Edit: After a bit of searching, I only find news stories written before the trial started. Do you have a link to info about the trial?
 
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I love how she starts off with "Yeah, it will be solved, but it was somebody by the name of...(name censored by network). This is a teen-ager that he had known or knew of him or whatever, that was like a predator."

So exactly which theory was she going for out of the numerous possibilities that could come from the "predator" being either a teenager he had known or a teenager who knew of him or "whatever"?
She's such an idiot.
 
I know. With the mother sitting right in front of her!

Yes, some of her readings are so badly worded I can't even figure out what it is that she's saying happened!

Here's the one article I could find about the trial:

http://web.lexis-nexis.com.proxy.we...b-zSkVb&_md5=f49e50059d6a1cb5f4fafc3471c5a336

Southern Indiana man acquitted in brother's murder, The Associated Press State & Local Wire, March 26, 2007 Monday 4:29 AM GMT, , STATE AND REGIONAL, 268 words, SALEM Ind.


A southern Indiana man sobbed after a jury acquitted him of murder in the 2004 death of his 13-year-old brother, whose body was found in a remote creek.

Joshua Collier's relatives jumped from their seats and cheered Friday night after the Washington Circuit Court jury found him not guilty Friday night in the death of Dustin Ivey.

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Collier was accused of killing Dustin Ivey on Oct. 8, 2004, after an argument. Dustin had insisted his brother drive him to a local corn maze to meet up with some friends.

Prosecutors alleged that Collier was angry and instead of taking his brother to the corn maze he drove him to a bridge over a remote creek in northeastern Washington County, and hit Dustin on the head four times with the butt of a flashlight.

Those blows knocked the boy unconscious and opened gashes that bled profusely, according to testimony from Dr. Barbara Weakley-Jones, an assistant chief medical examiner from Kentucky.

She testified that Dustin might have bled to death from the wounds, but he was thrown off the bridge and into the creek, where he drowned.

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Collier's lawyers argued during their closing statements that the state had failed to prove that Collier was the killer because no blood was found in his car or around the bridge.

They also questioned cell-phone call evidence presented by prosecutors and said it didn't place Collier at the crime scene.


Article also repeats that the body was found by Collier and Dustin's friends the next day after the murder when they were serching for him. Article also says he was still facing charges of burglary among others and was transfered right back to jail when the trial was over.
 
Hmmm

Apparently, Tamera didn't believe that Joshua Collier killed his brother.

SALEM, Ind. — A Washington Circuit Court jury acquitted Joshua Collier last night in the murder of his brother in October 2004.

Collier, 21, leaned over the defense table as the jury foreman read the not-guilty verdict, and relatives jumped from their seats and cheered.



Collier covered his face with his hands and sobbed.

"I knew that if the jury listened to all the evidence, we'd have a not-guilty verdict," said Collier's mother, Tamera Ivey-Marshall, still shaking and crying after the verdict was read. "My baby is coming home."
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http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cach...40475+"Dustin+Ivey"&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=18&gl=us

This seems to be one of those cases where an admission without corroborating physical evidence is insufficient to convict.

Admission alone doesn't prove guilt. There are some odd people who admit to crimes they didn't commit.

If admission alone were sufficient, that lots more innocent people would be in prison than there are already.

Remember John Mark Karr, the guy who admitted to murdering 6-year-old JonBenét Patricia Ramsey? No actual physical evidence could be produced against him, so his admission was thrown out as insufficient evidence to go to trial.



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2 wrong:

TAMARRA: Can you tell me, when they got to the creek, to the bridge, was he already dead when he went over the side?

Ms. BROWNE: Yes.

TAMARRA: Was there a hammer involved?

Ms. BROWNE: No, a rock. People are just crazy anymore, you know, honest to God. If...
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He was not already dead - he drowned, and it seems it was not a rock.
 
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