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Human Remains at Pentagon
I just recently saw the chart (Thanks Gravy!) with all the blue ovals showing where the human remains were found in the Pentagon.
My question is, how do the CTers explain that? It seems to me you can't argue that. How many people were searching for bodies? How many times did they stop once they found some remains to make sure they handled it all properly? How many people would have to be in on this conspiracy? It boggles my mind. |
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The mind-boggling thing about this to me is, the remains of ALL of the passengers on Flight 77 (except one infant) were found IN THE PENTAGON. How can any sane person conclude anything other than that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon?
Lyte goes on about chain of custody for the DNA, yada yada yada.. how many more people would faking the DNA results add to the already Impossibly Vast Conspiracy? (apologies to Pomeroo) |
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Well, to play off my forum name....
Most of the bodies I've seen were people that were already in the Pentagon. (One I recall even has a badge you can clearly see on his left chest.) Ok, so you get the list of passenger names, call up family members for blood samples to be used for DNA matching. Take a blood sample of the family member, drop some of their blood into 'unknown sample vile #1', and what do you know...it matches! I doubt there would be any record of the samples or DNA matching process that would not be text based only. So how would you ever know if there was not a cover up or manipulation of evidence? Of course that opens up a lot more questions, like "why not just fly the plane into the building in the first place?".... but that was not your question. |
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Please keep in mind, though, that reality does not equal the sum of the photos you've seen.
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and who collected those samples?!? THE FBI@??? AND THEY HAVE _NEVER_ LIED BEFORE HAVE THEY??
lol!!!! --------- I bring up the passenger DNA problem to the truthers all the time when they want to talk flight 77 and they always have some variation on this particular line of circular logic. You need to assume a conspiracy exists a priori in order to be able to selectively remove evidence you don't like when trying to prove the conspiracy. |
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Linky: http://www.afip.org/Departments/lega...2002/kelly.htm
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Why don't the conspiracy liars just contact a few of the folks mentioned in this report? Why not drop by any Metro D.C. fire house and interview a few of the firefighter that saw the bodies? As for the FBI, why are they lying when they say they saw AA77 passenger bodies at the Pentagon but telling the truth when know the "real reasons" OBL isn't on the most wanted list? |
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MarcoPolo:
What do you do when confronted with the body locations... RATIONAL SANE PERSON: FBI collected info, Processed by coroner and others with expertese in DNA, confirming the passengers and other victims. IRRATIONAL (All of them) CTIST: The bodies, if they even existed, were planted, after they were killed elsewhere. Or, all the info is fabricated as part of the NWO cover up. Take your pick of which you believe. TAM ![]() |
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I made a post on this months ago at SLC, but I have never got a direct response from a conspiracy theorist on the matter. They are very good at shutting up when the evidence is inconvenient.
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Merc and Lyte seem to believe that the only evidence of people on the Flight 77 was the passenger manifest. In my conversatins with them they don't even talk about the human remains. Hell I've seen the picures of them, c'mon.
Of course, Merc thinks the photos of plane wreckage aren't real, so why not the ones of body parts. |
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If you can't find it on a google search, it must be planted or fabricated by the USG...right...right?
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well lyte and merc both seem to dont care anyway. no amount of evidence will convince those frauds of anything.
they are still continuing to push their lies on the myspace forums. rearing their ugly heads to bump old threads in the News & Politics forums to promote their fraud film. just today they bumped a thread there that was "dead" from march of this year. all they are , as has been demonstrated over and over by their insensitive antics, are attention seeking disturbed individuals. unfortunatley myspace is a meeting ground for the ignorant. and Merc and Lyte have both stated that a list of names isn't evidence. Yes, that is their answer when you ask "What about the DNA evidence found". |
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like i said, these morons seem to think that the coroner should invite them in, teach them about PCR and DNA analysis, and then show them the results confirming the dead...otherwise, as far as they are concerned, it is falsified and planted...lame idiots.
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yup Lyte/Merc just replied to a post at Myspace concerning the DNA evidence:
Originally Posted by The PentaCon (the documentary)
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these little twirps are so egotistical as to think that they have the right to see DNA, or have the coroner call them and invite them over to see it...F&*King insane arrogant obnoxious idiots.
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by their obtuse logic, they should be contesting EVERY court case that uses DNA evidence to prove or support what happened in a crime.
since all DNA reports are on paper and given to the court; the actual DNA is never presented. their double standards is truly mind numbing. funny how these reports were enough to help convict Moussaoui; yet not enough for lyte and merc. |
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yes, but they also believe the judges, and all those concerned in that matter were "In on it".
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CTist asks "how is that human remains survived the crash but most steel and aluminum parts of the plane did not?"
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BZZZT! Inscrutable detail alert!
Are you suggesting that the American Airlines logo, that you believe is on a piece of debris, is slightly out of scale? This is the rabbit hole that truthers try to lead people down. Inscrutable detail after inscrutable detail without considering the big picture. It can be endless. Please consider the big picture. |
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Something I just thought about - the two videos released by the Pentagon (the security cameras) prove that no one was planting debris on the lawn. When combined with the other pictures of the day taken just after the explosion, they show that no one had any time to plant any evidence.
DA, that large piece of airplane facade had to come from whatever crashed into the Pentagon. |
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That is not the piece I was referring to. And I was not led to the observation by a 'truther' site. I made the observation in a link that Gravy provided.
(Flight 77 Pentagon section) The only source of the size of the lettering led me to a truther site that is why I am asking for another source. (If there is one) I wanted to know the scale of the letters because the 'C' against that wall looks only slightly bigger than a Ford Van's wheel. That seems odd to me. I am not implying anything, but I would like to know the scale of the lettering. |
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We call that "anomaly hunting".
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Pardalis, not all questions are asked with an ulterior motive.
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Do as you please, waste your time for all I care. If you look closely, maybe you'll find craters on the moon suspicious...
![]() But remember that the forensic and physical evidence overwhelmingly shows that flight 77 did crash there. |
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The problem with trying to scale from that photo is perspective. The "C" is farther from the camera and the piece is bent. Being a 2 dimensional view it becomes difficult to get an accurate scale of the object.
Also for it to be out of place it would have had to been place there in plain view of lots of people (and security camera). |
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Actually, a drunken Kennedy crashed a golf cart into it, but 9/11 was fabricated to cover it up.
I mean, which is more of a stretch, that a Kennedy got drunk and wrecked something, or that a bunch of cavemen flew Blue Angels-style aerobatic maneuvers to kill themselves on purpose? Not one witness reported seeing any Arabs on flying carpets. Case closed. /CTer |
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Yes, I understand that. (Being a 2 dimensional view it becomes difficult to get an accurate scale of the object)
But it still seems like it is nowhere near the size it should be. Three to three and a half feet or so? Not even close. That is why I want to know the dimension's of the letters to see if I am off with the dimensions I have seen. (From a source that is pushing agenda) Some may believe it to be unimportant, but it is bugging me, and I am the type that gets hung on something until it is resolved. OCD? ![]() |
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To my eyes, the "c" looks to be around 2.5-3 ft tall. Almost as tall as the door on the right is wide....
http://911myths.com/assets/images/db...Debris_171.jpg Now let us off the hook and tell us you were joking.......please. edit: just opened the above image in Photoshop and the "c" is around 5-10% wider than the door on the right, or about 35-40". |
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I'm no expert on photo interpretation, but if you look at the angle of the wall behind the Ford, it's clear that there's a lot of foreshortening in this shot, and the debris is actually significantly further away than the truck. Maybe that accounts for the size discrepancy, if there is one.
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