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Sylvia tells wife of missing husband he ran away from her and their two children

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WILLIAMS: Thank you.

Well, my next guest says that her husband left out of the house. It was a typical day, normal day. He went to go to work. Matter of fact, he even called her and checked in with her about 11:45. He ran a towing business. He never came home. Please welcome Carmen to the show.

Carmen. Carmen, have there been any leads? That's exactly what happened, correct? He left out, normal day, went to work, as--as usual. He called you and checked in with you, then he just didn't come home, correct?

CARMEN (Husband Vanished In June, 2002): Right. And he never came home.

WILLIAMS: Any leads at all? Did anybody at work say they saw him? T--he ran a towing business, correct?

CARMEN: Right, correct.

WILLIAMS: So in...

CARMEN: No leads, no nothing, no answers. I have two children. They're devastated. We don't know what happened to him.

WILLIAMS: Did they ever find his tow truck? Did they fin...

CARMEN: They didn't find the tow truck. They didn't find him.

WILLIAMS: They did not find the tow truck?

CARMEN: Nope, they did not find the tow truck.

Ms. BROWNE: Did...

WILLIAMS: Excuse me.

Ms. BROWNE: Was he acting really depressed, remote, strange about business and everything about four months before this?

CARMEN: Yes.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. He just took off, honey.

CARMEN: He's alive?

Ms. BROWNE: He's alive. He just took off.

CARMEN: Do you know whe--do you know where he is?

Ms. BROWNE: He went to around--wherever the hell Whitehall, Pennsyl--around Pennsylvania.

CARMEN: And he just left?

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: It's kind of funny...

Ms. BROWNE: You know, years ago, men used to jump out of--you know when the stock market went kapooey? Men left, men jumped out; women, you know, went goofy; women will wander off. It's a--not just men. He left.

CARMEN: Is he--is he ever coming back?

Ms. BROWNE: He may one of these days, but I don't think he's right. I--you've lived with him. Don't you know how wro--I mean, how strange he was in the last four months?

WILLIAMS: Is that true?

Ms. BROWNE: Can you honestly tell me...

WILLIAMS: Was his behavior starting to become erratic in the last couple...

CARMEN: He was pretty much always like that for 13 years.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, but I mean, the last four--he was--he was crisp. He was sharp. He was, you know, 'Don't bother me.' You know?

WILLIAMS: I--I ...(unintelligible).

CARMEN: Yes.

WILLIAMS: ...and then I'm gonna take a break, but when you go back to look at that--put that picture of the truck up again. Was this a--this is a relatively new truck.

CARMEN: Yes.

WILLIAMS: He just bought that truck a couple months beforehand...

CARMEN: Yes, he did.

WILLIAMS: ...before he disappeared?

CARMEN: Mm-hmm.

WILLIAMS: I gotta take a break. I'd think you better listen to Sylvia and put a search party out on him, because...

CARMEN: Thank you.

WILLIAMS: ...you know, ha--man with tow truck has business anywhere in North America.

Ms. BROWNE: And man with tow truck can take tow part off and make it look like regular truck.

WILLIAMS: We'll take a break. We'll be back right after this.

(Announcements)

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Thanks alot for that. How did you find it?

I tried New York news sources for "Jose Concepcion" and found nothing but I might come back to it.

Which brings me to something. This probably isn't the most appropriate place to talk about this but one thing that keeps striking me time and time again researching the cases of missing/ murdered adults and children is the enormous disparity between white victims and minority victims, enspecially those of a "ghetto crime". It's incredible, the differences in how they are covered in the press, the level of publicity, the search efforts, police treatment, public interest, everything.

Whenever Montel features a reading concerning a missing or murderd person named "Shamika", "Taisha", "Jameel", "Sherita" or "LeAnton", my heart sinks cause I know there will be no missing person site, no online memorials, no media mentions anywhere else and the crime and the murderers will have been long forgotten. At best, the whole thing got one very short and sparse article mention that will take me forever to find, as with Shamika Riley or Taurean Lewis, Terry Canty Jr. and Anthony Collins. And there's never any follow up cause there is no follow up cause it's another unsolved crime. While a white girl from North Carolina takes one Google search to trace. Which isn't to lessen the efforts on behalf of the white girl, it's just to note how much different it is for a minority victim.

A white person is missing or murdered, it's a story. A black or Hispanic person, it's no one's concern.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
Thanks alot for that. How did you find it?
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I tried a Google search for different combinations of words, and found it on "missing tow truck driver".

I tried New York news sources for "Jose Concepcion" and found nothing but I might come back to it.

Which brings me to something. This probably isn't the most appropriate place to talk about this but one thing that keeps striking me time and time again researching the cases of missing/ murdered adults and children is the enormous disparity between white victims and minority victims, enspecially those of a "ghetto crime". It's incredible, the differences in how they are covered in the press, the level of publicity, the search efforts, police treatment, public interest, everything.

Whenever Montel features a reading concerning a missing or murderd person named "Shamika", "Taisha", "Jameel", "Sherita" or "LeAnton", my heart sinks cause I know there will be no missing person site, no online memorials, no media mentions anywhere else and the crime and the murderers will have been long forgotten. At best, the whole thing got one very short and sparse article mention that will take me forever to find, as with Shamika Riley or Taurean Lewis, Terry Canty Jr. and Anthony Collins. And there's never any follow up cause there is no follow up cause it's another unsolved crime. While a white girl from North Carolina takes one Google search to trace. Which isn't to lessen the efforts on behalf of the white girl, it's just to note how much different it is for a minority victim.

A white person is missing or murdered, it's a story. A black or Hispanic person, it's no one's concern.
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Agreed. It really does seem that way. I searched for about an hour last night for Jose Concepcion and Carmen Concepcion (assuming they have the same last name). I even tried searches with Spanish words in case a Spanish language periodical found anything. Nothing stuck out (though I had only very basic Spanish classes in high school).
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
Which brings me to something. This probably isn't the most appropriate place to talk about this but one thing that keeps striking me time and time again researching the cases of missing/ murdered adults and children is the enormous disparity between white victims and minority victims, enspecially those of a "ghetto crime". It's incredible, the differences in how they are covered in the press, the level of publicity, the search efforts, police treatment, public interest, everything.

Whenever Montel features a reading concerning a missing or murderd person named "Shamika", "Taisha", "Jameel", "Sherita" or "LeAnton", my heart sinks cause I know there will be no missing person site, no online memorials, no media mentions anywhere else and the crime and the murderers will have been long forgotten. At best, the whole thing got one very short and sparse article mention that will take me forever to find, as with Shamika Riley or Taurean Lewis, Terry Canty Jr. and Anthony Collins. And there's never any follow up cause there is no follow up cause it's another unsolved crime. While a white girl from North Carolina takes one Google search to trace. Which isn't to lessen the efforts on behalf of the white girl, it's just to note how much different it is for a minority victim.

A white person is missing or murdered, it's a story. A black or Hispanic person, it's no one's concern.
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I don't want to derail the thread, but you are correct about this. Missing minorities and males get little attention. Also, the more physically attractive the person is, the more the attention.

I don't know about you, but I get those emails from people with the hoax missing people like Penny Brown and Ashley Florez. The Ashley Florez hoax is not that old, but years and years later, the Penny Brown hoax keeps circulating by email. I can guarantee you that this would not be the fact if the photo of that child were not that of a pretty girl. No one ever sends me a forwarded email about a less than pretty minority missing person, ever. :(
 
I feel funny telling you this, Mrs. Jolkowski, because you probably know this very well already but there's even a name for it: missing white woman syndrome. Joan Didion wrote an essay about it that I once had to read for school and didn't but passed the test on it from class notes, he. Here's the Wiki entry about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

Young, white, female, attractive and as a plus, affluent and blonde. Also helps to have media saavy parents who are also prime creeps, like Elizabeth Smart and JonBenet Ramsey.

It seems that the worst thing to be when you're missing is an unattractive black boy, elderly and unattractive white woman, elderly and unattractive black man or unattractive young black woman.

It seems a missing male, missing minority or even an unattractive person don't even have the "missing person" label put on them. They aren't even treated as a missing person, the way a white person would.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
Young, white, female, attractive and as a plus, affluent and blonde. Also helps to have media saavy parents who are also prime creeps, like Elizabeth Smart and JonBenet Ramsey.
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Time to break out the comics:

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On the current derail:

This is true. Presently, here in WA, a beautiful little blond Russian girl was kidnapped and just found murdered. There were updates constantly while they searched for her.

Just 12 blocks away, a 10 year old african american boy disappeared. There was one story about him--and that was because he was in the same neighborhood as the missing little girl. He was found safe the next day, but I literally had to google his name to find any mention that he turned up ok. His disappearance was a non event compared to Zina Linnik. Odd, because I would be equally distraught if either my son or daughter went missing.
 
I'm still on able to find anything about Jose Concepcion.

Exactly, it's just as devastating to the parents of a boy to have their son go missing as it is to the parents of a girl. I also imagine that if I were black, I'd be just as devastated by the disappearance of my child as I would be as a white person. :mad:

It seems to me that the only possible exceptions to male missing persons getting no attention are when a) it's something unusual, like a child molester being involved or the kidnap of the child by a parent b) it's a very cute, very young boy, like Tristan Myers.
 
I'm on my soap box now. Derail apologies..........

Yep, know about Missing White Woman Syndrome. :mad:

One of the classic cases discussed in that was of Tamika Huston. We stepped forward and helped her family. Not many did.

I also know from my own experience. It took me 3 years to get any kind of national publicity, and the reason I had that was because families we helped who had the attention begged for our story to air.

The Natalie Holloway media circus prompted me to write my Media Challenge. I had to use it again with the case of the little girl from Portugal.

http://projectjason.org/dpforum/thread.php?id=3

The only reason we made it in this article about missing males is because Tamika's family prompted it though the reporter from the USA Today who helped them.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-07-14-missing-persons_x.htm
 
I'm actually pretty interested in this and would really like to hear what you have to say about it so I don't mind the derail at all.

I find the media circuses around Missing White Women absolutely disgusting. It's not even as though the press is making a public service publicizing these cases; they are just using it as sensational tabloid story fodder. It's the worst reflection of our society's sexism and racism that I can think of.

That's incredible and ironic on so many levels, that you had to push for an article about how missing males are overlooked.

When I was first going through all the websites about missing children and adults, I quickly noticed that the vast majority of victims were young women, mostly white. I took this as evidence that women, enspecially young women, are the most frequent victims and targets of violent crime.

Now I wonder how many men, minorities, elderly women and others there are that didn't get the same level of attention.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
Ms. BROWNE: And man with tow truck can take tow part off and make it look like regular truck.
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No Sylvia, you can't. Just another example of how little you know. But hey, what do you need to know when your whole existence is based on making stuff up.

Hi to all you Sylvia Browne bloggers, I spend most of my time in the CT forum but thought I would venture out. Sylvia is one of my personal pet peeves, in fact cold readers in general are one of my pet peeves. I used to do it for fun when I was in University, to show how stupid it is and meet girls. The thought that people are making money doing this makes me sick. Part of the reason I avoid this topic is because I simply can't remain civil with people lile Sylvia Browne. So to those of you tackling this issue and exposing these charlotans (sp?) on a regular basis I salute you.

SB[hag voice]- "I see water, he drowned"
Grieving Woman- "He was a firefighter and died in the WTC"
SB[hag voice]- "NO, he died in water"
(this is basically what she said, if anyone else remembers this exchange and has the exact transcription I would love it for my sig)

STFU Sylvia.
 
RSLancastr said:
A transcript of the entire reading can be found on the Stop Sylvia Browne web site, at:

9/11 Fireman: Reading on the Montel Williams Show
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Thanks RS. After reading it I don't think I could use it in my sig at all, it's simply disgusting. I lost all the respect I had for Montel the day I saw that as well. Why he would try to defend her as she makes it perfectly clear how much of a liar she is is beyond me.
 
3bodyproblem said:
Thanks RS. After reading it I don't think I could use it in my sig at all, it's simply disgusting. I lost all the respect I had for Montel the day I saw that as well. Why he would try to defend her as she makes it perfectly clear how much of a liar she is is beyond me.
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Hey 3bp, it is good to see you getting out of the CT forum and exploring around a bit. Rational thinkers are welcome anywhere around here. :)
 
3bp - Glad you ventured out; I stay out of the Hoax forum for the same reason…I have a difficult time remaining civil with all the 9/11 nuts out there. I was there at ground zero, I know what happened…I don’t need someone, who was not there, telling me.

Anyway…on the current derail - I’d suggest the media is about making money, selling advertising space/time. Why do missing white women, or say small children, get national coverage…because they typically present well and generate more advertising revenue.

Specific to this thread, in SBs case…another “safe reading”; guy suddenly disappears without a trace…claiming they simply left the family, but might return, is as safe as anything else. They find this guy dead…why, its covered because he was “depressed”.

How about some hard evidence? Around Whitehall PA…humm, pretty large area that includes Allentown and Bethlehem; how a address, street name, what kind of work is he doing now, a phone number he can be reached at? I mean, come on...SB gets all her information from "Francine; the indirect word of God, certianly God knows these things?

Funny SB (and other “psychics”) can be so specific when it comes to non-verifiable things (ie. he was depressed…how does one possibly refute this?) and yet to completely vauge on anything that actually COULD be verified.

Why, you'd almost think she does that purpose :)
 
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