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Thom Hartmann radio 9/11 debate
Thom Hartmann of Air America radio is trying to organize a debate on his show between CT's and debunkers. Unfortunately he can't find anyone to defend the official conspiracy theory. The debunkers are obviously scared.
Would anyone here like to man up? |
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How do you go to the conclusion that "debunkers haven't been heard from... therefore debunkers are scared"? That would first assume that: a) Debunkers had even heard of this challenge (which I doubt many have) b) Debunkers had declined the challenge So please, which debunkers have declined the challenge so far. Also, what reasons did they give. Please, take your propaganda elsewhere. Someone quote me on this, seeing as Rev91 ignored me as soon as I started applying pressure to his theories. |
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No, R91, no one here is scared of stupid ideas, but we often do deem the people who spread them to be a waste of time, and we often don't want to draw more attention to them. Have you noticed that many of us put our thoughts and evidence in writing? I'm still waiting for the hundred or so promised rebuttals to my papers.
So, who are the participating conspiracists? |
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Oh dear...2 responses from people on my ignore list.
Here is some more information, which I assume is what you have asked for, in between the insults and condescension.
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Don't worry, I'm sure Rev91 has read all three posts.
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CHF claimed that Griffin was scared to debate and that is why he is stalling with the Hardfire debate. Well, Griffin has agreed to do this and noone from the debunker side will do it. Kevin Ryan has also said he will do it but Popular Mechanics refused to debate him, even though they happily debated Dylan and Jason. It is obvious which side is scared.
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I am sure Ron Wieck and Gravy would have a few words about Griffin and Ryan accepting debates! They were both invited onto Hardfire, and the only reason Griffin finally accepted is because he was simply being interviewed, and not facing opposition. Even then, he is still trying to weasel his way out of it.
Now I know you are reading mine and Gravy's posts, so make sure you tell your little friends that one of us has accepted. |
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So where does it say who specifically was contacted, and that their reason was that they are "scared?" It seems to say that no one has responded to them from the Popular Mechanics, with no names given. As hard as it may be for people who spend much of their time on internet forums to understand, the writers for Popular Mechanics have jobs and families, and considering the amount of grief they have to endure everytime this subject comes up I can't imagine anyone being very anxious to go through it again. Unless you are willing to pay for their time (this is true for people like DRG as well), why should they waste it?
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Wait, AirAmerica was trying to host a debate?
Crap marketing is CRAP! |
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Rev:
I know you are only 15, but if you are going to come here and try to argue like an adult, with adults, could you try and act a little more grown up. Noone here is afraid to debate. Most of us, unlike the CTers such as Griffin and Fetzer etc..., do not make 9/11 our career. I have a job that keeps be busy Mon-Fri 9-5. Several times now, you have acted very juvenile, calling people scared, declaring victory for others, etc, and it is neither becoming, nor does it help your cause. Granted you certainly will encounter alot of hostility here, but you have come to 9/11 debunking forum, so that is to be expected, but to retaliate with childishness is not going to do anything but make you feel better. If we wanted to encounter your type of behavior, we would go over to the LCF, where such comments and actions are common place. TAM ![]() |
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What do you mean its my move? I don't have any affiliation with him. If Gravy wants to go on he can easily contact Mr Hartmann.
I doubt Gravy will do it though, when he will be taking calls from the public. On second thoughts I will tell Hartmann. What is Gravys email? |
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You asked a question. You got an answer to that question. It's up to you what you want to do with that answer.
I suggest you take him off ignore and ask him yourself. Dave |
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He says he has put me on ignore. We were in another thread and TC329 called someone an "idiot" so I reported it, along with DGM who also did so. I guess, in some act of chest pounding, Rev decided that this was reason enough to put me on ignore. Oh well...whether he read it or not, I doubt he will change, but you never know, one can always hope.
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I found Gravys email. I have emailed David, the producer of the show, with Gravys details and a copy of this thread.
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Even though I know Gravy can take them all on by himself, it would be nice to get one of our engineers or physics majors to sign on...only time will tell. Has anyone asked Newton's Bit? Rwguinn? etc...
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I think I'm on ignore, but has anyone shown Revolutionary91 the Gravy vs. The Loose Change Boys debate?
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I emailed Air America and got no response back. I'd love to join in. This will be fun.
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Well, let Rev know, and maybe they can get you involved through him...Also, they probably need sometime before they get back to you.
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Hi Revolutionary91. I'm not here to debate you. As I indicated in another thread, I don't debate children, unless the child in question is particularly mature, equipped with facts, and interested in learning -- traits (if you'll forgive me for speaking bluntly) you have yet to indicate you possess in any abundance. Instead, I'd like to offer you a bit of advice so in the future you'll look a little less...well, dorky, not to put too fine a point on it.
Here it is: When attempting to intimidate/challenge a group of people you don't know, I'd suggest avoiding terms like "man up," simply because a lot of your potential audience aren't -- men, that is. I suppose it's understandable that you might forget this, if your previous forum experience consists primarily of 9/11 CTer sites such as Loose Change, where teenage boys seem to predominate and females are relatively few and far between. But here, you can't take for granted that the person you're conversing with isn't a woman. Thus a term like "man up" excludes and even insults a very large percentage of the people you're trying to reach. So in the future, you might want to pay a little more attention to the female gender. It's the first step in getting them to reciprocate. |
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I assumed you're heterosexual?? Where? Because I advised you to include the female members of your potential audience? Or was it the suggestion that you should pay attention to women, so they may eventually reciprocate that attention? Do you assume all attention must necessarily be sexual?? (OK, you're 15, I'll make allowances in your case.)
And now you've put me on ignore? Well, that's a first, I think. Generally, people find me pretty inoffensive, but whatever... |
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Insults should at least be original. Just a few hours ago, Dr Adequate realised he couldnt beat me with arguments so he reasorted to saying "eventually you will get laid". Rather pervy that so many adults are discussing sex with a 15 year old on the web.
Incidentally, I reported Dr Adequate's creepy remarks to me and nothing has been done. |
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Par, heres the reasons I have people on ignore:
Markyx - Told me to go $%^& myself in his very first post Gravy - Constant references to my age Dr Adequate - Reasons given above etc etc As you can see, nothing to do with arguments. |
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No more "pervy" than a flustered 15 year old suddenly injecting sexuality into a discussion where absolutely none existed. You really have no clue about the difference between "sexist" and "sexual" do you?
Damn, I should have known better than get involved in a thread started by a child. I am so outa here. |
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Then that makes your OP and their claim a lie. It also shows that they are really not interested in a debate. They want to create the environment to make the debunkers look stupid. It probably won't be broadcast live so they can perform some creative editing. So the whole thing is probably bogus.
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Problem 1 with your post
P1: If the debunkers are scared then Thom Hartmann won't find anyone to defend the official conspiracy theory. P2: Thom Hartmann can't find anyone to defend the official conspiracy theory. C: Therefore, the debunkers are scared. This is called affirming the consequent and is a logical fallacy. This is because there are any number of possible causes for P2. In general form: P1: If A then B P2: If C then B P3: B C: ? Problem 2 with your post There is no "official conspiracy theory" as a conspiracy theory is not the same as a theory that includes a conspiracy |
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