[Moderated]Gravy's witness "summary" does not reflect reality.

Lyte Trip

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It's merely a cut and paste blog job, not research.

How many of the witnesses that he refers to has he contacted to confirm their accounts and how many has he even bothered to analyze in detail or to plot their actual location/point of view?

I personally challenge Gravy to separately list each account of the 105 witnesses that he alleges "saw the plane hit the Pentagon."

List them one by one each with their own dedicated post.

They deserve at least that much don't they?

Gravy has given them way less respect by not even listing their names!

This is because he is deceptively disingenuous and completely wrong.

I will agree that there are way MORE than 105 that saw the plane but only a fraction of that even claim that they literally "saw" the impact and even less than that possibly could have.

Any honest researcher who has actually studied the Pentagon attack will agree that the building is at the bottom of a hill and the alleged impact point is difficult to see in detail from almost anywhere but route 27.

Well we have demonstrated how even the route 27 witnesses wouldn't have been able to see the alleged impact with much detail.

As far as the alleged 16 "light pole witnesses" go; none of their accounts have been confirmed as having actually seen the light poles get clipped and we have personally interviewed the most significant ones (McGraw, Sucherman, Walter, and Brooks) who ALL personally told us that they did NOT see the light poles get hit by the plane and merely deduced it after the fact.

This is particularly odd in the case of McGraw, Sucherman, and Walter who were all allegedly on route 27 with a PERFECT view of the poles but a not so perfect view of the alleged impact that they all suspiciously claim they saw in detail.

Here is the real life view of the confirmed position of Sucherman and Walter:
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McGraw would have had the best view of the alleged impact but an even better view of poles 3, 4, and 5.

Here is his alleged real life view:

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So how come he claims he didn't see the light poles get hit and how come not a single witness in the entire investigative body of evidence mentions the alleged smoke trail?

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In what way are the over 100 witnesses Gravy's?

Did Gravy interview them and coach them through their five year old recollections?

Did Gravy cherry pick their statements to try to prove his point?

Does Gravy take a tiny minority of witnesses five years after the fact and reject all the others plus all the physical evidence?

Or is that what Lyte Trip does?
 
In what way are the over 100 witnesses Gravy's?

I personally challenge Gravy to separately list each account of the 105 witnesses that he alleges "saw the plane hit the Pentagon."

What part of that statement do you not understand?
 
What is the power-to-weight ratio of an unladen flying Citgo station (sans coconuts)?
 
Did the trees block the entire sky, and this is why no witness reported a flyover?
 
Wow. McGraw looks like he was in the perfect position to see whether a huge AA jet flew over or hit the Pentagon.

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Why don't people turn into robots that automatically record and remember everything that happens around them in horrific situations? If only we had a Pensieve, we could dig someone's memory out of their head, and see exactly what happened. However, Pensieves only exist in Harry Potter. Real witnesses miss things. They go back over their story and create false memories. They get things right. They get things wrong.

The final arbiter of the reliability of a witness statement is the physical evidence. It does not matter that McGraw doesn't remember seeing the plane hit the poles. It does not matter that Lagasse swears 100% that the plane was north of the Citgo.

Physical evidence trumps eyewitness testimony. The vast majority of eyewitness testimony is supported by the physical evidence here. Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.
 
I personally challenge Gravy to separately list each account of the 105 witnesses that he alleges "saw the plane hit the Pentagon."

What part of that statement do you not understand?

The part where you think Gravy should do your research for you. If you were seriously researching all the Pentagon witnesses you would have done all of that before you made your silly video.
 
You were blindsided with the truth.


How's this for truth?--you are a fraud. You like making demands, so I demand that you take your bogus "evidence" to a real news outlet. Find someone who agrees that you've got something. You are sitting on the biggest story in the history of journalism if you're not the snake oil salesman I claim you are.

At long last, put up or shut up.
 
They do.

But we will never know what the PURE witnesses and first reports indicate because the 911 calls were quickly confiscated and permanently sequestered.
99 and 44/100ths pure? And do they float? Anything less and I shall spurn their testimony and go for a bench verdict.
 
Gravy-

After spending Several years in a D&D campaign, bringing a Paladin up through 26 levels, I had a few simple rules for playing him. The most important, and I say it here as advice to you:

Never let a scoundrel dictate the tenets of honor.

Trifikas.
 
Who's the padre in the picture? And is he Polish? No I was just asking because I saw Pole #3 and Pole #4 and Pole #5 and since I am part Polish I was looking for a family resemblance.
 
Gravy-

After spending Several years in a D&D campaign, bringing a Paladin up through 26 levels, I had a few simple rules for playing him. The most important, and I say it here as advice to you:

Never let a scoundrel dictate the tenets of honor.

Trifikas.
I thought a Paladin was another word for an elevator operator. Shouldn't he have brought YOU up through 26 levels?

I had a Paladin who liked to let me off between floors 25 and 26 so I'd hafta jump down and risk my neck. You're right, I'd classify him as a scoundrel...
 

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