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Old 9th August 2007, 05:15 PM   #1
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CIA trained and funded 1993 wtc bombers

From the terror timeline, citing mainstream sources
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The Boston Herald reports that an internal CIA report has concluded that the agency is “partially culpable” for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing (see February 26, 1993) because it helped train and support some of the bombers. One source with knowledge of the report says, “It was determined that a significant amount of blowback appeared to have occurred.” A US intelligence source claims the CIA gave at least $1 billion to forces in Afghanistan connected to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. More than a half-dozen of the WTC bombers belonged to this faction, and some of the CIA money paid for their training. The source says, “By giving these people the funding that we did, a situation was created in which it could be safely argued that we bombed the World Trade Center.” Those connected to the bombing who went to Afghanistan include Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman, Clement Rodney Hampton-el, Siddig Siddig Ali, Ahmed Ajaj, and Mahmud Abouhalima. [Boston Herald, 1/24/1994] Additionally, Ramzi Yousef trained in Afghanistan near the end of the Afghan war, and there are claims he was recruited by the CIA (see Late 1980s). “Intelligence sources say the CIA used the al-Kifah Refugee Center in Brooklyn—founded to support the Afghani rebels fighting Soviet occupation—to funnel aid to Hekmatyar, setting the stage for terrorists here to acquire the money, guns and training needed to later attack the Trade Center. CIA support also made it easier for alleged terrorist leaders to enter the country.” [Boston Herald, 1/24/1994]
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...partlyculpable


Amazing how they happen to have CIA links just like the ISI links to Atta. This was an inside job.

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Old 9th August 2007, 05:19 PM   #2
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I cannot see your post, and that is fine, but I hope this is completely different from your "FBI" funds the 1993 WTC bombers.

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Here's a link to Ramzi Yousef that might debunk this bit of non-sense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef
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Yeah, an encyclopedia edited by trolls is more reliable than a major newspaper lol
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The United States made a strategic decision to support Islamic radical Mujahadeen against the Soviet Union. At the time, the USSR was the Evil Empire and had the power to nuke the world 20 times over. Helping the Muslims defeat the Soviet invasion, and thereby possibly preventing a further Soviet incursion into the Middle East, may have been a good decision. The enemy of our enemy was out friend, and at the time, the Soviets were our enemy and the Muslims were our friends.

The USSR also made allies of convenience. It is unfortunate that our former allies our now are enemy..but what should we have done? Let the USSR over-run Afghanistan?
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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
I cannot see your post, and that is fine, but I hope this is completely different from your "FBI" funds the 1993 WTC bombers.

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You're almost right, T.A.M. Change FBI to CIA and you've got it!
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I figured as much...

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So, basically, according to one article, an unnamed intelligence source claims that the CIA funded and trained a certain mujahedeen faction in Afghanistan to fight the soviets. A number of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers apparently originated from that same faction.
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Well, if you try to click the link to the Herald article it gives you a Ghostbusters circle, and says it links to a headline entitled "Sources Claim CIA Aid Fueled Trade Center Blast."

That sounds like something that's never been verified by the "mainstream media" beyond "sources." Where's the follow-up that shows the evidence?

Oh I forgot, the only time the mainstream media has reliability is when they report things without evidence. That's the way "telling the truth" is done by you guys.
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So, basically, according to one article, an unnamed intelligence source claims that the CIA funded and trained a certain mujahedeen faction in Afghanistan to fight the soviets. A number of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers apparently originated from that same faction.
sounds like a conspiracy to me...lol

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Originally Posted by Dumb All Over View Post
You're almost right, T.A.M. Change FBI to CIA and you've got it!
I didn't start the other thread. This deserves its own since it brings in the wider issue of blowback and CIA training of Mujahadeen.
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I have access to that article, and Revolutionary91 is misrepresenting it (surprise). The statement regarding the CIA is:

Originally Posted by Boston Herald
The CIA is "partly culpable" for the World Trade Center bombing because it helped train and support several of the men accused in the deadly blast, intelligence sources said.

Nowhere in that article does it claim that the internal report found the CIA to be responsible. There is mention of an internal report, but only that it was examining the CIA's role, no discussion of any conclusions. All claims in that article are by the "unnamed sources", no corroborating documentation.

Rev, do you have anything to support this other than hearsay?


ETA: Also, Rev's link puts statements in the article wildly out of order and context. Again, no surprise. Rev, I strongly suggest you learn how to find primary sources, and verify the information you are given.
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So, what’s the got to do with conspiracy theories? Shouldn’t it be in the politics section?
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So, what’s the got to do with conspiracy theories? Shouldn’t it be in the politics section?
It would if it were true.
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Yeah, an encyclopedia edited by trolls is more reliable than a major newspaper lol
And who says your information wasn't editted by trolls? Hmmmmm! You might want to think about that really hard Rev.
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Rev91, here you can read up on the Afghan War:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_...vement_and_aid

By the way, during the Second World War USA was in an alliance of convenience with the Soviet Union against their common enemy Nazi Germany. USA provided the Soviet Union with enormous amounts of supplies. The Soviet army drove to Berlin in American trucks. But as soon as Germany was defeated that alliance of convenience almost instantly turned in to the Cold War. This is no different. History is filled with former allies turning on each other.

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Originally Posted by Hokulele View Post
I have access to that article, and Revolutionary91 is misrepresenting it (surprise). The statement regarding the CIA is:




Nowhere in that article does it claim that the internal report found the CIA to be responsible. There is mention of an internal report, but only that it was examining the CIA's role, no discussion of any conclusions. All claims in that article are by the "unnamed sources", no corroborating documentation.

Rev, do you have anything to support this other than hearsay?


ETA: Also, Rev's link puts statements in the article wildly out of order and context. Again, no surprise. Rev, I strongly suggest you learn how to find primary sources, and verify the information you are given.
To be fair, it wasn't Rev91 who wrote the quoted part - it was from the cooperativeresearch web site, where I have found similar mistakes in the past. Whoever compiles the "time line" does a poor job, IMO.

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Why don't you say this is "trolled" Rev?:
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iraq/956-tni.htm
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Originally Posted by AZCat View Post
To be clear, it wasn't Rev91 who wrote the quoted part - it was from the cooperativeresearch web site, where I have found similar mistakes in the past. Whoever compiles the "time line" does a poor job, IMO.

Good point. It does emphasize the fact that Rev91 should not be using such sites for quotes unless he can either independently verify their accuracy, or unless he can trace them back to the primary sources. Without that double-checking, his evidence will always be suspect.
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Originally Posted by AZCat View Post
To be clear, it wasn't Rev91 who wrote the quoted part - it was from the cooperativeresearch web site, where I have found similar mistakes in the past. Whoever compiles the "time line" does a poor job, IMO.
He was the one who brought it here and presented it as coming from the mainstream media however.

So life lesson Rev. When you say something comes from a mainstream source, be sure you're linking directly to the mainstream media piece.
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Originally Posted by Hokulele View Post
Good point. It does emphasize the fact that Rev91 should not be using such sites for quotes unless he can either independently verify their accuracy, or unless he can trace them back to the primary sources. Without that double-checking, his evidence will always be suspect.
Know your sources - an important lesson for anyone (truther and skeptics alike) to learn.

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He was the one who brought it here and presented it as coming from the mainstream media however.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Rev91 needs to learn to read sources critically, even if they seem on the surface to be legitimate.
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I thought it was the FBI.
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Drudgewire read my opening post. I said it cites media sources.
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Drudgewire read my opening post. I said it cites media sources.
Which was enough for you to unquestionably proclaim "it was an inside job." Who needs to read more?
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Drudgewire read my opening post. I said it cites media sources.
Hmm...posted at 6:15, edited at 6:40.

Right.

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Originally Posted by Dumb All Over View Post
Hmm...posted at 6:15, edited at 6:40.

Right.

(all times local)
Nice catch. I didn't think I read it wrong.

ETA: I just couldn't be sure because of research.

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Right. So how does this show that the bombing was an inside job, I wonder?
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Rev still believes that 9/11 was an "inside job"? Here's what I think:
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heh, if it was a conspiracy everytime the CIA trained a revolutionary group only to have them turn around and stab the US in the back..... Just take a short look at the history of Central America. Throughout the 1950-70's the US was helping rebels depose one AHTPLD* only to have the guy they replaced him with turn out to be an even bigger AHTLD.









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Yeah, an encyclopedia edited by trolls is more reliable than a major newspaper lol
Yeah, the same major newspaper that reported in 1969 that Apollo 11 astronauts walked on the moon. I don't blame you for not going back to the Moon Hoax thread, you were humiliated there.
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I didn't start the other thread. This deserves its own since it brings in the wider issue of blowback and CIA training of Mujahadeen.
ah, so now it goes from funding to training. I's like playing the telephone game.
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ah, so now it goes from funding to training. I's like playing the telephone game.
Erm...training is in the title of the thread.
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Yeah, an encyclopedia edited by trolls is more reliable than a major newspaper
Sadly, this is probably one of the most accurate things Rev has ever posted.
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From the terror timeline, citing mainstream sources
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...partlyculpable

Amazing how they happen to have CIA links just like the ISI links to Atta. This was an inside job.


So, how does this rather meagre article show that the bombing was an “inside job”?
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If Wikipedia is for trolls why do they spend so much time here?
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they really are pre 9/11 truther who trained them

Originally Posted by Revolutionary91 View Post
From the terror timeline, citing mainstream sources
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...partlyculpable


Amazing how they happen to have CIA links just like the ISI links to Atta. This was an inside job.
You are spam, this is already a thread. Darn, are you a kid or something. Wake up spam man.

I think truthers help the idiots for the first bombing. The bomb was not big enough. They rented a van, and one of the smart truthers went back to get a refund on the rent. Smart terrorist had to have help from a fact less truther, you know someone like you who starts threads already in progress.

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I didn't start the other thread. This deserves its own since it brings in the wider issue of blowback and CIA training of Mujahadeen.
He smart man, you have TAM on ignore, or are you a liar? Man on the moon, and you mess it up. F for history, F for science, F for not seeing LC video are only for those who are not able to find facts.
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Yeah, an encyclopedia edited by trolls is more reliable than a major newspaper lol
That is a toss up. Sorry, wrong again. Do you even try?
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Despite whether or not there is any veracity to this information (Which it seems there isn't. What is this for you now Rev, strike 142?), its posting is just another classic example of how Truthers cherry-pick what they want from sources they otherwise decry as biased, uninformed, or in some other way compromised.

Because main stream media is nothing more than an arm of the NWO whose sole purpose is to spread their lies and propaganda, right?

Well, unless of course they report something that Truthers can torture into supporting their claims, in which case everything they say is the absolute truth.
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The USSR also made allies of convenience. It is unfortunate that our former allies our now are enemy..but what should we have done? Let the USSR over-run Afghanistan?
With hindsight being 20/20, we probably should have allowed it. The Soviet Union still would have still collapsed. And, after all, some of the former soviet states are now our allies against islamic terrorists...
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