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Kinoki Detox Footpads
For $19.95, this product claims to remove the toxins from your body though the soles of your feet,while you sleep.
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Hey, if it's an ancient practice, it's gotta work, right?
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I gave it a blog entry anyway. Judging by the ingredients, it appears to be noting more than a mild exfoliant.
Why do feet need negative ions? |
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They save your sole?
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I think the Violent Femmes summed this up nicely:
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Harriet Carter is carrying this item. I was glad to see that they'd dropped Trudeau.
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I've seen similar things "tested" on UK TV - the pads got a bit dirty (yuck) whilst a foot-spa machine produced gross brown water...via some sort of electrolysis corrosion mechanism - it did the same thing with no added ingredient (can't remember what was added) and no feet in it. The rep had no answer for that as I recall. Sorry, can't remember the brand of either of those, but they must have been around in one form or another for a few years. Even if they aren't truly "ancient".
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Was it the Aqua Detox? http://www.devicewatch.org/reports/aquadetox.shtml You can find another excellent debunking of detox foot baths in this news item: http://www.click2houston.com/video/5425517/index.html (A 15 second ad precedes the 4 minute segment) And Orac thoroughly debunked foot detoxification machines and ‘miracle foot patches’ in his Friday Dose of Woo yesterday: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...footb.php#more |
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That's the fella (the bath that is). Not sure which foot pads I saw "tested" though. It was only on something "lite" like GMTV or it's ilk, but even they were able to show there was nothing in it.
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Anyone brought this up to Randi? It'd make a great SWIFT entry.
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Kewl frickin' beans! The Wanderings Blog has a short, but sweet, entry on the product.
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I put it on my blog, but didn't get that many hits. I think the feet put readers off.
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Given that most ancient cultures had very short average life spans like 30 years or so, why on earth do so many people want to take health tips from them?
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I'm shattered Randi did not use my foot pads in his commentary. That was the best bit of quackery I've seen in several years. It trumps Popoff's new miracle water.
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Kinoki footpads work like those Stridex acne pads, using mild adhesive to pull dirt and other detritus from the skin. The soles of the feet are seldom completely clean -- they're awkward to scrub, soaping the soles creates a risk of slipping, and most people do at least some walking barefoot -- so it's easy to find dirt there. The dirt diminishes over days of the Kinoki regimen because, by wearing the pads, there's no more walking barefoot. You could get the same results from duct tape.
Kinoki's claims suggest that if "toxins" are not pulled from the bottom of the feet they will migrate to the hair on the head is absurd. |
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I have a woo friend who told me about using these.
I'm just wondering what physiological process results in depositing "toxins" near the soles of the feet anyway. Hmm. . . and since hair is physiologically dead that would be a safe place for these hypothetical "toxins" anyway, so using their foot pads is disrupting the body's own natural way of handling them. ![]() Sounds dangerous. And they no doubt have chemicals in them! ![]() |
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About a year ago I posted a thread about losing weight in a similar fashion...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ad.php?t=69305 ^^ |
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The chick with the blonde hair and the pink nightgown in the infomercial movie looked pretty hot. I wish I can wake up to her very morning......Oh yeah, funny product!
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Seems like it would be more convenient if they could remove the toxins during the day, like Odor Eaters do.
Plus Odor Eaters are cheaper. |
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It has gotten so that when I hear the word "toxins" I think to myself...."bull#$!+."
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I'm trying to get rid of this athelete's foot, which is about the only thing this thing doesn't claim to cure. Thanks a lot Kinoki, you jerks.
For real though, who wants to put a pad on their foot and then wake up and pull it off and look at the big brown smear? That's like wiping your ass and leaving the toliet paper in there until morning to absorb the fecal matter. |
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buykinoki.com/?cid=378267
The commercial claims pretty specific claims. Total elimination of benzine and mercury from the blood in laboratory tests are just 2. I just saw the commercial on TV this week and couldn't believe that they would make all those claims so b latently. I thought for sure that Randi was going to put something up this week but he didn't. This is an easy one. How do we get exposure on this? |
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Anyone who uses the word "toxins" as an advertising catch needs to take a biology lesson on the role and function of the liver.
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Well that’s good I hate when I experience the unnatural power of nature. Another good thing is it says it will rid your body of things like “chemicals” so they must have gotten around the annoying fact that a body is made up of “chemicals” (must be due to the natural power of nature). I never really enjoyed being comprised of chemicals anyway, it always made me feel so synthetic and unnatural. |
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not to mention "kinoko" in Japanese means mushroom... Fungus near your feet? Doesn't sound too attractive to me.
They show some kanji in the video which looked to me like 木樹 though it's too small for me to be sure.. Those say kiki and both mean tree. So seems their (mysterious ancient) Japanese department got it wrong. If nothing else... it's an interesting magic trick.. anyone have any idea how they turn brown and then can't after some time after using? |
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I always love things that claim that they're based on an ancient practice. I always wonder if in China or Japan they have commercials for products "based on the ancient European practice of bloodletting and leeches."
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I saw the TV commercial in the U.S. just yesterday. It claims that the pads are "useful" for many ailments including diabetes and high blood pressure. According to the commercial, the pads pull toxins out of your body through your feet, including parasites and cellulite!
The commercial made some testable claims, including that the pads would turn dark when you first used them but would gradually be lighter and lighter as toxins were removed from your body (presumably after a few weeks they would remain totally white). The commercial also lists the toxins that were found on the pad by lab tests during the first few uses that would no longer be present after several weeks. It would be fairly easy to test these claims to see if they are true. Here's the commercial on youtube (seems to be the same one that's on the kinoki website):
On their website, the only reference to the independent study that supposedly proves their claims is a page that says "coming soon." Note that the "free footpads for life" requires you to pay ~$13 shipping and handling for 10 pads each month. Presumably, you use 2 per night (one on each foot), which means that they only give you 5 night's worth per month while the FAQ states that "[d]epending on the individual, the detox may require two to three weeks or longer in the case of greater toxicity build-ups." No word on how much it costs you for additional pads if they don't turn white after 5 nights. Oh, and if you're an amputee, don't worry -- you can also use them on other "targeted" body parts such as the shoulder or knee. -Bri |
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I have seen these commercials about a dozen times. Yes, the pads appear cleaner on successive days; you can get the same effect using duct tape. Naturally, the first time the adhesive pad is used, there's a lot of detritus pulled from the foot. As the days pass, the repeated use of the adhesive pads - plus, very importantly, that wearing the pads means there's less actual barefoot walking -- leaves less and less on the feet for the next day's pad. Simple.
As for those lab tests: I suspect the tests are of the stuff found on the pads, not blood tests or even hair tests. I suspect that if one uses a complete "treatment" - until the pads are completely free of dirt -- and then returns to old habits regarding foot hygiene and barefoot walking, the "toxins" will return completely within a few months. |
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The commercial shows graphics of both hair tests and also tests of toxins on the pads after use (and of course less and less of said toxins after successive uses). Of course, no tests are actually cited on their website.
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I would love to try an experiment with these, but I don't know anyone who could run the lab tests on them and I don't have the $$ to cough up for the tests myself.
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I think it's a great idea for an expiriment. I work for a university and have found they can be rather helpful. Usually a few emails to a professor is all it takes as they love something interesting to test that also has strong educational value. I'd say I'd ask myself but find the idea of recieving used foot pads in the mail rather revolting.
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