Oh, Noes! I'm on more of Kevin Barrett's lists.

Gravy · 28th August 2007, 11:24 AM

Kevin Barrett contacted me after he heard that Kevin Ryan backed out of a debate opportunity with me. Barrett wanted to know if I was interested in debating him on his radio show, or perhaps in a live debate when he is in New York.

In his email to me, he copied a response he had sent to a listener, in which he said that I was complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal, with the gallows perhaps in my future. I guess that's his idea of an inducement to debate. I replied,

Quote:

Sorry, but Kevin Ryan claims to have specific knowledge about why the WTC towers should not have collapsed, based on his correspondence with U.L. and his analysis of the NIST and other reports. That's worth a detailed discussion, which he has declined.

You're just a mentally ill person who fantasizes about the violent death of your perceived enemies. Not much to debate there, except the type and quantity of medication you need, and that's outside my area of knowledge. Please get help.

To which he replied,

Quote:

"I suspected you were a coward. I'll put you on the coward's list."

I don't know if I can take being on so many lists!

Edit: Oh, and now I see that Ace Baker is again challenging me to a televised debate to take place in the TV studio in his head. Didn't we go through this, like, a year ago? Oh, September 11 must be approaching. I hear the plaintive cry of the loon.

Young Union Square · 28th August 2007, 11:26 AM

Edited by Lisa Simpson:

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Pardalis · 28th August 2007, 11:31 AM

Let's just stick to the facts people. I'm getting tired of this getting personal.

Ignore the personal issues, critical thinkers should know better than to play the infantile games of these truthers.

Lisa Simpson · 28th August 2007, 11:33 AM

Do not turn this thread into mudslinging between forum members or it will very quickly be sent to AAH.

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T.A.M. · 28th August 2007, 11:36 AM

The sweeping hand of mod justice.

So anyway, YUS do you wish to debate someone on this forum in a debate, or discuss an issue, or not?

TAM

Drudgewire · 28th August 2007, 11:48 AM

Sowwy Lisa.

JamesB · 28th August 2007, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Kevin Barrett contacted me after he heard that Kevin Ryan backed out of a debate opportunity with me. Barrett wanted to know if I was interested in debating him on his radio show, or perhaps in a live debate when he is in New York.

In his email to me, he copied a response he had sent to a listener, in which he said that I was complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal, with the gallows perhaps in my future. I guess that's his idea of an inducement to debate. I replied,

To which he replied,

I don't know if I can take being on so many lists!

Edit: Oh, and now I see that Ace Baker is again challenging me to a televised debate to take place in the TV studio in his head. Didn't we go through this, like, a year ago? Oh, September 11 must be approaching. I hear the plaintive cry of the loon.

Oh man, I am only on his "people who are like Nazi propagandists" list!

T.A.M. · 28th August 2007, 11:50 AM

I wonder if I will ever make any of his lists...I feel so...so...inadequate...lol

TAM

MWare · 28th August 2007, 11:50 AM

Oh man how did I get sucked into this mess? Thank you mods for the newspaper nose-rapping on my post. I was headed for a dark dark place. I'm back now

Anti-sophist · 28th August 2007, 11:52 AM

We should start compiling a list of all the people Barrett has directly or indirectly threatened with the gallows once the revolution comes... I know he basically did the same to that local reporter who covered his Madison "conference".

I am reminded of...

Originally Posted by The Crackpot Index

40 points for claiming that when your theory is finally appreciated, present-day science will be seen for the sham it truly is. (30 more points for fantasizing about show trials in which scientists who mocked your theories will be forced to recant.)

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

Drudgewire · 28th August 2007, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

I wonder if I will ever make any of his lists...I feel so...so...inadequate...lol

TAM

At least there was a fake version of you on the LC forums.

T.A.M. · 28th August 2007, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

At least there was a fake version of you on the LC forums.

oh yah....now I feel important.

TAM

HyJinX · 28th August 2007, 12:00 PM

TAM the Mole!!!

leftysergeant · 28th August 2007, 12:05 PM

That there are people like Barret who hope to someday reshape society is one of the reasons liberals like me are buying firearms.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 28th August 2007, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

That there are people like Barret who hope to someday reshape society is one of the reasons liberals like me are buying firearms.

The 2nd amendment is for us all. Left and Right.

Drudgewire · 28th August 2007, 12:21 PM

My ACLU card is right behind my NRA card in the wallet.

kookbreaker · 28th August 2007, 12:25 PM

What is it about kooks and their dang 'lists'. Its like a mark of a particularly emotionally unstable person to run around bragging about making 'lists'. Half the kooks on USENET used to obsess about making 'lists' of one kind or another.

Can't they just remember who they don't like?

SpaceMonkeyZero · 28th August 2007, 12:33 PM

Every truther has a "People To Die When The Time Comes.xls" in their My Documents directory.

That's what my boss at the CIA told me. /s

The Pig · 28th August 2007, 12:36 PM

Why is it, whenever I take my "complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal" list to the supermarket and leave my shopping list on the fridge, I always forget the cottage cheese?

Drudgewire · 28th August 2007, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

What is it about kooks and their dang 'lists'. Its like a mark of a particularly emotionally unstable person to run around bragging about making 'lists'. Half the kooks on USENET used to obsess about making 'lists' of one kind or another.

Can't they just remember who they don't like?

Again, it goes back to projecting their own personalities onto the people in the shadows oppressing everyone else. "Who cares if I have a list? Are you going to tell me Cheney doesn't?"

Hamradioguy · 28th August 2007, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

My ACLU card is right behind my NRA card in the wallet.

Hey, same here! (My Dad has all but disowned me because I am a member of the "communist ACLU" and my liberal friends think I'm a crypto-Nazi because I'm a life member of the NRA. Guess I must be doing something right....)

SpaceMonkeyZero · 28th August 2007, 12:49 PM

My brother in law is convinced that all guns have the ability to magically go off for no reason at all.

It's really sad when people get an idea stuck in their head and won't listen to reason... *cough*truthers*cough*

Mr. Skinny · 28th August 2007, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

What is it about kooks and their dang 'lists'. Its like a mark of a particularly emotionally unstable person to run around bragging about making 'lists'. Half the kooks on USENET used to obsess about making 'lists' of one kind or another.

Well, I know a certain Danish skeptic on this forum that has a fondness for lists.

Are you saying he's a kook?

Drudgewire · 28th August 2007, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Hamradioguy

Hey, same here! (My Dad has all but disowned me because I am a member of the "communist ACLU" and my liberal friends think I'm a crypto-Nazi because I'm a life member of the NRA. Guess I must be doing something right....)

Yeah, when I joined I wrote them and told them my positions on most things and how a big reason I joined was because they got Limbaugh off. They sent it directly to the ACLU president and I got an awesome return letter.

It's great having a card that you can pull out to annoy someone with no matter what company you're keeping at the time.

Brainster · 28th August 2007, 01:05 PM

By the same sort of "logic" these guys use, shouldn't the government be rounding up the "Truthers" and executing them? Aren't they just as guilty in trying to cover up the real guilty parties?

No? Ah, well, at least there's the consolation that I'll be in good company among the folks on Death Row; all the structural engineers, most of the FDNY and NYPD, Larry Silverstein, Mark Roberts and the JREF forum members, James B and Stephen Lemons, the Popular Mechanics guys, the Left Gatekeepers like Chomsky and Cockburn....

They're going to need those Chinese guillotines to get rid of us all!

The Big Dog · 28th August 2007, 01:06 PM

"In his email to me, he copied a response he had sent to a listener, in which he said that I was complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal, with the gallows perhaps in my future."

Gravy, can you tell if his attaching the earlier e-mail was intentional or an unintentional oversight?

Gravy · 28th August 2007, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by The Pig

Why is it, whenever I take my "complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal" list to the supermarket and leave my shopping list on the fridge, I always forget the cottage cheese?

Gravy · 28th August 2007, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by 16.5

"In his email to me, he copied a response he had sent to a listener, in which he said that I was complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal, with the gallows perhaps in my future."

Gravy, can you tell if his attaching the earlier e-mail was intentional or an unintentional oversight?

Intentional. It was a whole discussion, with links to my work (which link to his previous statement that I'll be executed alongside Larry Silverstein).

What a silly goose.

NYCEMT86 · 28th August 2007, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Intentional. It was a whole discussion, with links to my work (which link to his previous statement that I'll be executed alongside Larry Silverstein).

What a silly goose.

So what would your famous last words be?

Mine would be..."Make sure that guillotine falls at freefall speed, we wouldn't want it to be a conspiracy now."

Gravy · 28th August 2007, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by NYCEMT86

So what would your famous last words be?

Mine would be..."Make sure that guillotine falls at freefall speed, we wouldn't want it to be a conspiracy now."

Mine would be, "The NWO is Soylent Green!" Which should keep them busy for a while.

Drudgewire · 28th August 2007, 01:42 PM

"Hey guys wait, the guy on the grassy knoll was..."

It only works if you're watching the release hatch.

qarnos · 28th August 2007, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Mine would be, "The NWO is Soylent Green!" Which should keep them busy for a while.

I'd prefer to go with something like, "Dylan! Help me! Come on, man, we're in this together, remember?".

beachnut · 28th August 2007, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Young Union Square

Edited by Lisa Simpson:

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I missed the facts?

Gravy,

Thanks for sharing the exchange.

Stellafane · 28th August 2007, 03:41 PM

Well, according to Barrett, journalists who criticize the TM deserve to die "on the scaffold." Since I qualify as a journalist and have written two Letters to the Editor to my local newspaper blasting the TM (and the paper for publishing what I thought was a very supportive piece on them, on the fifth anniversary of 9/11 no less), I guess that means I'm going to be hung someday if he gets his way. Glad to know I'll have plenty of quality company as they slip the noose around my neck!

Kevin Barrett is sick, and frankly, at least potentially dangerous. I don't know if that's considered ad hominem or something, but it's true, and in my view relevant to this thread.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 29th August 2007, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

"Hey guys wait, the guy on the grassy knoll was..."

It only works if you're watching the release hatch.

Bonus points if any truthers lose fingers or limbs trying to stop the blade from falling...

mjd1982 · 29th August 2007, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Wait, he's accusing me of avoiding questions? This out-Averys Avery! My irony meter explodeth!

Also, I think there's a teensy difference between ignoring someone because you don't find interacting with them productive, and declaring that they should be tried for war crimes and executed.

Though Barrett's comments are reprehensible, the whole situation is indicative of an evident fact- it is very easy to debunk TT implosions, no plane at Shankville, or those such theories. When it comes to the facts about 9/11, such as foreknowledge, the PNAC doc, WTC7, and others, you have nothing to offer, and decline serious debate. In that respect, you are no better than Kevin Ryan, and, if one can do so..., you do share complicity.

Please keep it civil.

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CptColumbo · 29th August 2007, 01:28 PM

Well, Barrett is off my Christmas card list! He is also moved lower in my list of coolest people on Earth, to 4,269,649,798. Right after Jackie Collins, and before that guy who stepped ahead of me in line at the supermarket.

Regnad Kcin · 29th August 2007, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by mjd1982

...When it comes to the facts about 9/11, such as foreknowledge...

Evidence, please.

Quote:

the PNAC doc...

The one about the "new Pearl Harbor?" Please tell me you don't mean that non-starter.

Quote:

WTC7...

What about it? It was massively damaged by a series of events, to the point it was not going to be able to stand. Then it didn't.

Quote:

and others...

"Others?"

Quote:

you have nothing to offer, and decline serious debate.

Nonsense. From what I've seen, Gravy has offered to debate time and time again. It is others who run away. And bleat from the safety of their keyboard. And threaten his life.

Quote:

In that respect, you are no better than Kevin Ryan, and, if one can do so through stupidity, you do share complicity.

"Complicity?" Please stop. It's embarrassing.

Unsecured Coins · 29th August 2007, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by mjd1982

Though Barrett's comments are reprehensible, the whole situation is indicative of an evident fact- it is very easy to debunk TT implosions, no plane at Shankville, or those such theories. When it comes to the facts about 9/11, such as foreknowledge, the PNAC doc, WTC7, and others, you have nothing to offer, and decline serious debate. In that respect, you are no better than Kevin Ryan, and, if one can do so through stupidity, you do share complicity.

This coming from a guy with an 80 page thread about "facts" that still hasn't gotten off the PNAC tarmac yet. Bud Light Salutes YOU, Captain of The Oblivious.

Brainster · 29th August 2007, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by mjd1982

Though Barrett's comments are reprehensible, the whole situation is indicative of an evident fact- it is very easy to debunk TT implosions, no plane at Shankville, or those such theories. When it comes to the facts about 9/11, such as foreknowledge, the PNAC doc, WTC7, and others, you have nothing to offer, and decline serious debate. In that respect, you are no better than Kevin Ryan, and, if one can do so through stupidity, you do share complicity.

I'm always a little nonplussed when 9-11 Deniers bring up the "foreknowledge" issue. Did the Czech equivalent of the CIA warn the US that the neocons were planning a false-flag attack? The PNAC document? Amazing how our bosses at the NWO always make things so hard for us to cover up by publishing their plans online, isn't it? WTC7? You haven't read Mark's rather exhaustive treatment of that issue, then?

28th August 2007, 11:24 AM	#1
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,078	Oh, Noes! I'm on more of Kevin Barrett's lists. Kevin Barrett contacted me after he heard that Kevin Ryan backed out of a debate opportunity with me. Barrett wanted to know if I was interested in debating him on his radio show, or perhaps in a live debate when he is in New York. In his email to me, he copied a response he had sent to a listener, in which he said that I was complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal, with the gallows perhaps in my future. I guess that's his idea of an inducement to debate. I replied, Quote: Sorry, but Kevin Ryan claims to have specific knowledge about why the WTC towers should not have collapsed, based on his correspondence with U.L. and his analysis of the NIST and other reports. That's worth a detailed discussion, which he has declined. You're just a mentally ill person who fantasizes about the violent death of your perceived enemies. Not much to debate there, except the type and quantity of medication you need, and that's outside my area of knowledge. Please get help. To which he replied, Quote: "I suspected you were a coward. I'll put you on the coward's list." I don't know if I can take being on so many lists! Edit: Oh, and now I see that Ace Baker is again challenging me to a televised debate to take place in the TV studio in his head. Didn't we go through this, like, a year ago? Oh, September 11 must be approaching. I hear the plaintive cry of the loon.
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28th August 2007, 11:31 AM	#3
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 25,817	Let's just stick to the facts people. I'm getting tired of this getting personal. Ignore the personal issues, critical thinkers should know better than to play the infantile games of these truthers.
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28th August 2007, 11:48 AM	#6
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,421	Sowwy Lisa.
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28th August 2007, 11:49 AM	#7
JamesB Master Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,152	Originally Posted by Gravy Kevin Barrett contacted me after he heard that Kevin Ryan backed out of a debate opportunity with me. Barrett wanted to know if I was interested in debating him on his radio show, or perhaps in a live debate when he is in New York. In his email to me, he copied a response he had sent to a listener, in which he said that I was complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal, with the gallows perhaps in my future. I guess that's his idea of an inducement to debate. I replied, To which he replied, I don't know if I can take being on so many lists! Edit: Oh, and now I see that Ace Baker is again challenging me to a televised debate to take place in the TV studio in his head. Didn't we go through this, like, a year ago? Oh, September 11 must be approaching. I hear the plaintive cry of the loon. Oh man, I am only on his "people who are like Nazi propagandists" list!
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28th August 2007, 11:50 AM	#9
MWare Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 664	Oh man how did I get sucked into this mess? Thank you mods for the newspaper nose-rapping on my post. I was headed for a dark dark place. I'm back now
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28th August 2007, 11:36 AM	#5
T.A.M. Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,795	The sweeping hand of mod justice. So anyway, YUS do you wish to debate someone on this forum in a debate, or discuss an issue, or not? TAM

28th August 2007, 11:52 AM	#10
Anti-sophist Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,542	We should start compiling a list of all the people Barrett has directly or indirectly threatened with the gallows once the revolution comes... I know he basically did the same to that local reporter who covered his Madison "conference". I am reminded of... Originally Posted by The Crackpot Index 40 points for claiming that when your theory is finally appreciated, present-day science will be seen for the sham it truly is. (30 more points for fantasizing about show trials in which scientists who mocked your theories will be forced to recant.) http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
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28th August 2007, 11:56 AM	#11
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,421	Originally Posted by T.A.M. I wonder if I will ever make any of his lists...I feel so...so...inadequate...lol TAM At least there was a fake version of you on the LC forums.
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28th August 2007, 11:58 AM	#12
T.A.M. Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,795	Originally Posted by Drudgewire At least there was a fake version of you on the LC forums. oh yah....now I feel important. TAM

28th August 2007, 12:05 PM	#14
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 18,863	That there are people like Barret who hope to someday reshape society is one of the reasons liberals like me are buying firearms.

28th August 2007, 12:16 PM	#15
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,284	Originally Posted by leftysergeant That there are people like Barret who hope to someday reshape society is one of the reasons liberals like me are buying firearms. The 2nd amendment is for us all. Left and Right.

28th August 2007, 12:21 PM	#16
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,421	My ACLU card is right behind my NRA card in the wallet.
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28th August 2007, 12:25 PM	#17
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,385	What is it about kooks and their dang 'lists'. Its like a mark of a particularly emotionally unstable person to run around bragging about making 'lists'. Half the kooks on USENET used to obsess about making 'lists' of one kind or another. Can't they just remember who they don't like?
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28th August 2007, 12:33 PM	#18
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,284	Every truther has a "People To Die When The Time Comes.xls" in their My Documents directory. That's what my boss at the CIA told me. /s

28th August 2007, 12:36 PM	#19
The Pig Thinker Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 171	Why is it, whenever I take my "complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal" list to the supermarket and leave my shopping list on the fridge, I always forget the cottage cheese?
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28th August 2007, 12:37 PM	#20
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,421	Originally Posted by kookbreaker What is it about kooks and their dang 'lists'. Its like a mark of a particularly emotionally unstable person to run around bragging about making 'lists'. Half the kooks on USENET used to obsess about making 'lists' of one kind or another. Can't they just remember who they don't like? Again, it goes back to projecting their own personalities onto the people in the shadows oppressing everyone else. "Who cares if I have a list? Are you going to tell me Cheney doesn't?"
	__________________ "You post a lie, it is proven 100% false, you move the goalposts and post yet another lie and it continues on around till we're back to the original lie as if it will somehow become true if it's re-iterated again. The same misquotes over and over again. The same hindsight bias, appeals to authority, etc." -lapman describing every twoofer on the internet

28th August 2007, 12:42 PM	#21
Hamradioguy Pyrrhonist Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,297	Originally Posted by Drudgewire My ACLU card is right behind my NRA card in the wallet. Hey, same here! (My Dad has all but disowned me because I am a member of the "communist ACLU" and my liberal friends think I'm a crypto-Nazi because I'm a life member of the NRA. Guess I must be doing something right....)
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28th August 2007, 12:49 PM	#22
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28th August 2007, 12:58 PM	#23
Mr. Skinny Alien Cryogenic Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,843	Originally Posted by kookbreaker What is it about kooks and their dang 'lists'. Its like a mark of a particularly emotionally unstable person to run around bragging about making 'lists'. Half the kooks on USENET used to obsess about making 'lists' of one kind or another. Well, I know a certain Danish skeptic on this forum that has a fondness for lists. Are you saying he's a kook?
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28th August 2007, 01:02 PM	#24
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,421	Originally Posted by Hamradioguy Hey, same here! (My Dad has all but disowned me because I am a member of the "communist ACLU" and my liberal friends think I'm a crypto-Nazi because I'm a life member of the NRA. Guess I must be doing something right....) Yeah, when I joined I wrote them and told them my positions on most things and how a big reason I joined was because they got Limbaugh off. They sent it directly to the ACLU president and I got an awesome return letter. It's great having a card that you can pull out to annoy someone with no matter what company you're keeping at the time.
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28th August 2007, 01:05 PM	#25
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 19,698	By the same sort of "logic" these guys use, shouldn't the government be rounding up the "Truthers" and executing them? Aren't they just as guilty in trying to cover up the real guilty parties? No? Ah, well, at least there's the consolation that I'll be in good company among the folks on Death Row; all the structural engineers, most of the FDNY and NYPD, Larry Silverstein, Mark Roberts and the JREF forum members, James B and Stephen Lemons, the Popular Mechanics guys, the Left Gatekeepers like Chomsky and Cockburn.... They're going to need those Chinese guillotines to get rid of us all!
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28th August 2007, 01:06 PM	#26
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	"In his email to me, he copied a response he had sent to a listener, in which he said that I was complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal, with the gallows perhaps in my future." Gravy, can you tell if his attaching the earlier e-mail was intentional or an unintentional oversight?
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28th August 2007, 01:08 PM	#27
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,078	Originally Posted by The Pig Why is it, whenever I take my "complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal" list to the supermarket and leave my shopping list on the fridge, I always forget the cottage cheese?
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28th August 2007, 01:11 PM	#28
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,078	Originally Posted by 16.5 "In his email to me, he copied a response he had sent to a listener, in which he said that I was complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal, with the gallows perhaps in my future." Gravy, can you tell if his attaching the earlier e-mail was intentional or an unintentional oversight? Intentional. It was a whole discussion, with links to my work (which link to his previous statement that I'll be executed alongside Larry Silverstein). What a silly goose.
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28th August 2007, 01:28 PM	#29
NYCEMT86 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,091	Originally Posted by Gravy Intentional. It was a whole discussion, with links to my work (which link to his previous statement that I'll be executed alongside Larry Silverstein). What a silly goose. So what would your famous last words be? Mine would be..."Make sure that guillotine falls at freefall speed, we wouldn't want it to be a conspiracy now."
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28th August 2007, 01:39 PM	#30
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,078	Originally Posted by NYCEMT86 So what would your famous last words be? Mine would be..."Make sure that guillotine falls at freefall speed, we wouldn't want it to be a conspiracy now." Mine would be, "The NWO is Soylent Green!" Which should keep them busy for a while.
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28th August 2007, 01:42 PM	#31
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,421	"Hey guys wait, the guy on the grassy knoll was..." It only works if you're watching the release hatch.
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28th August 2007, 01:49 PM	#32
qarnos Cold-hearted skeptic Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,084	Originally Posted by Gravy Mine would be, "The NWO is Soylent Green!" Which should keep them busy for a while. I'd prefer to go with something like, "Dylan! Help me! Come on, man, we're in this together, remember?".
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28th August 2007, 03:41 PM	#34
Stellafane Village Idiot. Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 8,368	Well, according to Barrett, journalists who criticize the TM deserve to die "on the scaffold." Since I qualify as a journalist and have written two Letters to the Editor to my local newspaper blasting the TM (and the paper for publishing what I thought was a very supportive piece on them, on the fifth anniversary of 9/11 no less), I guess that means I'm going to be hung someday if he gets his way. Glad to know I'll have plenty of quality company as they slip the noose around my neck! Kevin Barrett is sick, and frankly, at least potentially dangerous. I don't know if that's considered ad hominem or something, but it's true, and in my view relevant to this thread.
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29th August 2007, 05:31 AM	#35
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,284	Originally Posted by Drudgewire "Hey guys wait, the guy on the grassy knoll was..." It only works if you're watching the release hatch. Bonus points if any truthers lose fingers or limbs trying to stop the blade from falling...

29th August 2007, 01:28 PM	#37
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lots of places Posts: 9,237	Well, Barrett is off my Christmas card list! He is also moved lower in my list of coolest people on Earth, to 4,269,649,798. Right after Jackie Collins, and before that guy who stepped ahead of me in line at the supermarket.
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29th August 2007, 01:29 PM	#38
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The old Same place Posts: 10,785	Originally Posted by mjd1982 ...When it comes to the facts about 9/11, such as foreknowledge... Evidence, please. Quote: the PNAC doc... The one about the "new Pearl Harbor?" Please tell me you don't mean that non-starter. Quote: WTC7... What about it? It was massively damaged by a series of events, to the point it was not going to be able to stand. Then it didn't. Quote: and others... "Others?" Quote: you have nothing to offer, and decline serious debate. Nonsense. From what I've seen, Gravy has offered to debate time and time again. It is others who run away. And bleat from the safety of their keyboard. And threaten his life. Quote: In that respect, you are no better than Kevin Ryan, and, if one can do so through stupidity, you do share complicity. "Complicity?" Please stop. It's embarrassing.
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29th August 2007, 01:30 PM	#39
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,905	Originally Posted by mjd1982 Though Barrett's comments are reprehensible, the whole situation is indicative of an evident fact- it is very easy to debunk TT implosions, no plane at Shankville, or those such theories. When it comes to the facts about 9/11, such as foreknowledge, the PNAC doc, WTC7, and others, you have nothing to offer, and decline serious debate. In that respect, you are no better than Kevin Ryan, and, if one can do so through stupidity, you do share complicity. This coming from a guy with an 80 page thread about "facts" that still hasn't gotten off the PNAC tarmac yet. Bud Light Salutes YOU, Captain of The Oblivious.
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29th August 2007, 01:33 PM	#40
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 19,698	Originally Posted by mjd1982 Though Barrett's comments are reprehensible, the whole situation is indicative of an evident fact- it is very easy to debunk TT implosions, no plane at Shankville, or those such theories. When it comes to the facts about 9/11, such as foreknowledge, the PNAC doc, WTC7, and others, you have nothing to offer, and decline serious debate. In that respect, you are no better than Kevin Ryan, and, if one can do so through stupidity, you do share complicity. I'm always a little nonplussed when 9-11 Deniers bring up the "foreknowledge" issue. Did the Czech equivalent of the CIA warn the US that the neocons were planning a false-flag attack? The PNAC document? Amazing how our bosses at the NWO always make things so hard for us to cover up by publishing their plans online, isn't it? WTC7? You haven't read Mark's rather exhaustive treatment of that issue, then?
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