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Old 28th August 2007, 11:24 AM   #1
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Oh, Noes! I'm on more of Kevin Barrett's lists.

Kevin Barrett contacted me after he heard that Kevin Ryan backed out of a debate opportunity with me. Barrett wanted to know if I was interested in debating him on his radio show, or perhaps in a live debate when he is in New York.

In his email to me, he copied a response he had sent to a listener, in which he said that I was complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal, with the gallows perhaps in my future. I guess that's his idea of an inducement to debate. I replied,

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Sorry, but Kevin Ryan claims to have specific knowledge about why the WTC towers should not have collapsed, based on his correspondence with U.L. and his analysis of the NIST and other reports. That's worth a detailed discussion, which he has declined.

You're just a mentally ill person who fantasizes about the violent death of your perceived enemies. Not much to debate there, except the type and quantity of medication you need, and that's outside my area of knowledge. Please get help.
To which he replied,

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"I suspected you were a coward. I'll put you on the coward's list."
I don't know if I can take being on so many lists!



Edit: Oh, and now I see that Ace Baker is again challenging me to a televised debate to take place in the TV studio in his head. Didn't we go through this, like, a year ago? Oh, September 11 must be approaching. I hear the plaintive cry of the loon.
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Old 28th August 2007, 11:31 AM   #3
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Let's just stick to the facts people. I'm getting tired of this getting personal.

Ignore the personal issues, critical thinkers should know better than to play the infantile games of these truthers.
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Old 28th August 2007, 11:36 AM   #5
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So anyway, YUS do you wish to debate someone on this forum in a debate, or discuss an issue, or not?

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Old 28th August 2007, 11:49 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Gravy View Post
Kevin Barrett contacted me after he heard that Kevin Ryan backed out of a debate opportunity with me. Barrett wanted to know if I was interested in debating him on his radio show, or perhaps in a live debate when he is in New York.

In his email to me, he copied a response he had sent to a listener, in which he said that I was complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal, with the gallows perhaps in my future. I guess that's his idea of an inducement to debate. I replied,

To which he replied,

I don't know if I can take being on so many lists!



Edit: Oh, and now I see that Ace Baker is again challenging me to a televised debate to take place in the TV studio in his head. Didn't we go through this, like, a year ago? Oh, September 11 must be approaching. I hear the plaintive cry of the loon.
Oh man, I am only on his "people who are like Nazi propagandists" list!
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Old 28th August 2007, 11:50 AM   #8
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I wonder if I will ever make any of his lists...I feel so...so...inadequate...lol

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We should start compiling a list of all the people Barrett has directly or indirectly threatened with the gallows once the revolution comes... I know he basically did the same to that local reporter who covered his Madison "conference".

I am reminded of...
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Old 28th August 2007, 11:56 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
I wonder if I will ever make any of his lists...I feel so...so...inadequate...lol

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Old 28th August 2007, 11:58 AM   #12
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At least there was a fake version of you on the LC forums.
oh yah....now I feel important.

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That there are people like Barret who hope to someday reshape society is one of the reasons liberals like me are buying firearms.
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That there are people like Barret who hope to someday reshape society is one of the reasons liberals like me are buying firearms.
The 2nd amendment is for us all. Left and Right.
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Old 28th August 2007, 12:21 PM   #16
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What is it about kooks and their dang 'lists'. Its like a mark of a particularly emotionally unstable person to run around bragging about making 'lists'. Half the kooks on USENET used to obsess about making 'lists' of one kind or another.

Can't they just remember who they don't like?
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Old 28th August 2007, 12:33 PM   #18
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Every truther has a "People To Die When The Time Comes.xls" in their My Documents directory.

That's what my boss at the CIA told me. /s
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Old 28th August 2007, 12:36 PM   #19
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Why is it, whenever I take my "complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal" list to the supermarket and leave my shopping list on the fridge, I always forget the cottage cheese?
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What is it about kooks and their dang 'lists'. Its like a mark of a particularly emotionally unstable person to run around bragging about making 'lists'. Half the kooks on USENET used to obsess about making 'lists' of one kind or another.

Can't they just remember who they don't like?
Again, it goes back to projecting their own personalities onto the people in the shadows oppressing everyone else. "Who cares if I have a list? Are you going to tell me Cheney doesn't?"
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My ACLU card is right behind my NRA card in the wallet.
Hey, same here! (My Dad has all but disowned me because I am a member of the "communist ACLU" and my liberal friends think I'm a crypto-Nazi because I'm a life member of the NRA. Guess I must be doing something right....)
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My brother in law is convinced that all guns have the ability to magically go off for no reason at all.

It's really sad when people get an idea stuck in their head and won't listen to reason... *cough*truthers*cough*
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What is it about kooks and their dang 'lists'. Its like a mark of a particularly emotionally unstable person to run around bragging about making 'lists'. Half the kooks on USENET used to obsess about making 'lists' of one kind or another.
Well, I know a certain Danish skeptic on this forum that has a fondness for lists.

Are you saying he's a kook?
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Hey, same here! (My Dad has all but disowned me because I am a member of the "communist ACLU" and my liberal friends think I'm a crypto-Nazi because I'm a life member of the NRA. Guess I must be doing something right....)
Yeah, when I joined I wrote them and told them my positions on most things and how a big reason I joined was because they got Limbaugh off. They sent it directly to the ACLU president and I got an awesome return letter.

It's great having a card that you can pull out to annoy someone with no matter what company you're keeping at the time.
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By the same sort of "logic" these guys use, shouldn't the government be rounding up the "Truthers" and executing them? Aren't they just as guilty in trying to cover up the real guilty parties?

No? Ah, well, at least there's the consolation that I'll be in good company among the folks on Death Row; all the structural engineers, most of the FDNY and NYPD, Larry Silverstein, Mark Roberts and the JREF forum members, James B and Stephen Lemons, the Popular Mechanics guys, the Left Gatekeepers like Chomsky and Cockburn....

They're going to need those Chinese guillotines to get rid of us all!
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"In his email to me, he copied a response he had sent to a listener, in which he said that I was complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal, with the gallows perhaps in my future."

Gravy, can you tell if his attaching the earlier e-mail was intentional or an unintentional oversight?
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Why is it, whenever I take my "complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal" list to the supermarket and leave my shopping list on the fridge, I always forget the cottage cheese?
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"In his email to me, he copied a response he had sent to a listener, in which he said that I was complicit in mass murder and a candidate for a war crimes tribunal, with the gallows perhaps in my future."

Gravy, can you tell if his attaching the earlier e-mail was intentional or an unintentional oversight?
Intentional. It was a whole discussion, with links to my work (which link to his previous statement that I'll be executed alongside Larry Silverstein).

What a silly goose.
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Intentional. It was a whole discussion, with links to my work (which link to his previous statement that I'll be executed alongside Larry Silverstein).

What a silly goose.

So what would your famous last words be?

Mine would be..."Make sure that guillotine falls at freefall speed, we wouldn't want it to be a conspiracy now."
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So what would your famous last words be?

Mine would be..."Make sure that guillotine falls at freefall speed, we wouldn't want it to be a conspiracy now."
Mine would be, "The NWO is Soylent Green!" Which should keep them busy for a while.
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"Hey guys wait, the guy on the grassy knoll was..."

It only works if you're watching the release hatch.
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Mine would be, "The NWO is Soylent Green!" Which should keep them busy for a while.
I'd prefer to go with something like, "Dylan! Help me! Come on, man, we're in this together, remember?".
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I missed the facts?

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Well, according to Barrett, journalists who criticize the TM deserve to die "on the scaffold." Since I qualify as a journalist and have written two Letters to the Editor to my local newspaper blasting the TM (and the paper for publishing what I thought was a very supportive piece on them, on the fifth anniversary of 9/11 no less), I guess that means I'm going to be hung someday if he gets his way. Glad to know I'll have plenty of quality company as they slip the noose around my neck!

Kevin Barrett is sick, and frankly, at least potentially dangerous. I don't know if that's considered ad hominem or something, but it's true, and in my view relevant to this thread.
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Originally Posted by Drudgewire View Post
"Hey guys wait, the guy on the grassy knoll was..."

It only works if you're watching the release hatch.
Bonus points if any truthers lose fingers or limbs trying to stop the blade from falling...
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Wait, he's accusing me of avoiding questions? This out-Averys Avery! My irony meter explodeth!

Also, I think there's a teensy difference between ignoring someone because you don't find interacting with them productive, and declaring that they should be tried for war crimes and executed.
Though Barrett's comments are reprehensible, the whole situation is indicative of an evident fact- it is very easy to debunk TT implosions, no plane at Shankville, or those such theories. When it comes to the facts about 9/11, such as foreknowledge, the PNAC doc, WTC7, and others, you have nothing to offer, and decline serious debate. In that respect, you are no better than Kevin Ryan, and, if one can do so..., you do share complicity.

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Well, Barrett is off my Christmas card list! He is also moved lower in my list of coolest people on Earth, to 4,269,649,798. Right after Jackie Collins, and before that guy who stepped ahead of me in line at the supermarket.
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...When it comes to the facts about 9/11, such as foreknowledge...
Evidence, please.

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the PNAC doc...
The one about the "new Pearl Harbor?" Please tell me you don't mean that non-starter.

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WTC7...
What about it? It was massively damaged by a series of events, to the point it was not going to be able to stand. Then it didn't.

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and others...
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you have nothing to offer, and decline serious debate.
Nonsense. From what I've seen, Gravy has offered to debate time and time again. It is others who run away. And bleat from the safety of their keyboard. And threaten his life.

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In that respect, you are no better than Kevin Ryan, and, if one can do so through stupidity, you do share complicity.
"Complicity?" Please stop. It's embarrassing.
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Originally Posted by mjd1982 View Post
Though Barrett's comments are reprehensible, the whole situation is indicative of an evident fact- it is very easy to debunk TT implosions, no plane at Shankville, or those such theories. When it comes to the facts about 9/11, such as foreknowledge, the PNAC doc, WTC7, and others, you have nothing to offer, and decline serious debate. In that respect, you are no better than Kevin Ryan, and, if one can do so through stupidity, you do share complicity.
This coming from a guy with an 80 page thread about "facts" that still hasn't gotten off the PNAC tarmac yet. Bud Light Salutes YOU, Captain of The Oblivious.
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Originally Posted by mjd1982 View Post
Though Barrett's comments are reprehensible, the whole situation is indicative of an evident fact- it is very easy to debunk TT implosions, no plane at Shankville, or those such theories. When it comes to the facts about 9/11, such as foreknowledge, the PNAC doc, WTC7, and others, you have nothing to offer, and decline serious debate. In that respect, you are no better than Kevin Ryan, and, if one can do so through stupidity, you do share complicity.
I'm always a little nonplussed when 9-11 Deniers bring up the "foreknowledge" issue. Did the Czech equivalent of the CIA warn the US that the neocons were planning a false-flag attack? The PNAC document? Amazing how our bosses at the NWO always make things so hard for us to cover up by publishing their plans online, isn't it? WTC7? You haven't read Mark's rather exhaustive treatment of that issue, then?
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