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Old 11th October 2007, 07:33 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
one of these days, If I can ever find a used copy, I am going to sit down and DEBUNK his "Debunking 9/11 Debunking". Just because it would be easy, and fun, and there is little new around here to tackle as of late.

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I borrowed a copy from the library and felt embarrassed while checking it out, like I was getting caught with pornography. I think it should have a label on the cover: WARNING! Reading this book may cause ocular muscle stress due to excessive eye-rolling.
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Old 11th October 2007, 07:52 PM   #42
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Typical DRG comprehension. It's one thing to have a device which distorts one's voice as to make it unrecognizable, but it's a big leap of technological logic to say that device could accurately impersonate another person's voice. It's not like I can pick one of these up to sound like, oh, Richard Dawkins (complete with accent!) and fool his friends with phone calls. You'd have better luck hiring capable voice actors to impersonate someone.
i was goign to say something along these lines, but ill just agree with you instead

BTW i did some research on fonefaker, heres info from a site where you can purchase the service:

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FoneFaker allows you to change the displayed information on the Caller ID of the person you are calling. FoneFaker also provides you with the ability to record your calls to a downloadable .WAV format. As if Caller ID Spoofing isn't enough, FoneFaker features the ability to change your voice to Male, Female, or leave it unaltered.
http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/sp...cechanger.html

so it changes your voice to either male or female....doesnt really seem like enough to convince someone im their husband or wife
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Old 12th October 2007, 12:36 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe View Post
i was goign to say something along these lines, but ill just agree with you instead

BTW i did some research on fonefaker, heres info from a site where you can purchase the service:


http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/sp...cechanger.html

so it changes your voice to either male or female....doesnt really seem like enough to convince someone im their husband or wife
I think the point Griffin is trying to make is, that the technologies exist. It doesn't matter to him how perverted his conclusions are.

So in other words, he has seen an advertisement for FoneFaker, so he knows the technology to change the caller ID exists. He has also seen an ad for voice morphing technology, so in his world it is completely plausible that it was used, just because the technology has been developed.

It doesn't matter to him, that in practise it would be impossible to use the developed technologies in a manner he claims. And he also ignores the fact, that no-one would know how the families would communicate with each other, without extensive surveillance and spying.

And also, it is no problem to him, that he sees advertisements for different technologies, which cannot do the trick by themselves, but when combined, he gets the result he wants. In his world, the voice morphing technology is completely compatible with the FoneFaker technology, and when combined, voila, the phone calls are faked and no-one notices.

That's so stupid it hurts.


ETA: And one can not forget, that faking the caller ID is not as simple as it sounds. The faker of "John Smith" would have to know, whether his wife would have ID'ed him in her phone as "John" or "Husband" or "Honeybunny" or perhaps "Beerbelly". There is no way the faker would know, how to ID the fake call without stealing the wife's phone. One more impossible twist for the inside job.
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Old 12th October 2007, 05:02 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by kimota View Post
I borrowed a copy from the library and felt embarrassed while checking it out, like I was getting caught with pornography. I think it should have a label on the cover: WARNING! Reading this book may cause ocular muscle stress due to excessive eye-rolling.
Ha. I bought the book, but don't keep it on the bookshelf in case someone sees it. It sits in a drawer beneath some jeans which I broke the zip off.
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Ha. I bought the book, but don't keep it on the bookshelf in case someone sees it. It sits in a drawer beneath some jeans which I broke the zip off.
That's a pretty unusual reaction to reading Griffin!

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Ok I was tired when I added the paragraph about the ID faking. Of course it's enough to fake the number you are calling from. The recipient's phone then recognises the number and shows whatever name one has written attached to that number.

My bad

The rest of the post still stands!
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Old 12th October 2007, 12:19 PM   #47
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This is the most disgusting thread I've ever seen at the JREF forums, and the incessant name-calling and attacks against the distinguished Dr. David Ray Griffin not only violates forum rules, it is also bad etiquette.

I hereby call for the moderator to ban all those who made ad hominem attacks! Get tough.

Not only does it seem like I'm in a 3rd grade playground, I still haven't seen even one intelligent argument raised against Dr. Griffin. And even if Griffin is wrong about this topic, that means nothing. Galileo was incorrect about the comets and Newton wrong about alchemy.

You guys make a big deal that Griffin insulted a 9/11 victim, yet by doing that, you are insulting a Truth-seeker and implicitly condoning mass murder. Outrageous behavior! I call on you all to step up like a man and retract!

Most important of all, if Griffin is wrong, then Andrew Kornkven is right; the phone calls do not support the OCT and in fact, prove it wrong.

Hence, the phone calls say the "hijackers" had guns, and the callers give different seat numbers for the "hijackers". That means the "hijackers" were NOT Arabs.

The calls also prove there were fewer "hijackers" on the planes than the official story tells. If you assert, for example, that there were 5 Arab "hijackers" on FL11 or 4 Arab "hijackers" on FL93, you are nothing more than a stone cold racist, and a religious bigot to boot!

Here's what I think of the previous comments:

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/finger.html

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Old 12th October 2007, 12:21 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
This is the most disgusting thread I've ever seen at the JREF forums, and the incessant name-calling and attacks against the distinguished Dr. David Ray Griffin not only violates forum rules, it is also bad etiquette.

I hereby call for the moderator to ban all those who made ad hominem attacks! Get tough.

Not only does it seem like I'm in a 3rd grade playground, I still haven't seen even one intelligent argument raised against Dr. Griffin. And even if Griffin is wrong about this topic, that means nothing. Galileo was incorrect about the comets and Newton wrong about alchemy.

You guys make a big deal that Griffin insulted a 9/11 victim, yet by doing that, you are insulting a Truth-seeker and implicitly condoning mass murder. Outrageous behavior! I call on you all to step up like a man and retract!

Most important of all, if Griffin is wrong, then Andrew Kornkven is right; the phone calls do not support the OCT and in fact, prove it wrong.

Hence, the phone calls say the "hijackers" had guns, and the callers give different seat numbers for the "hijackers". That means the "hijackers" were NOT Arabs.

The calls also prove there were fewer "hijackers" on the planes than the official story tells. If you assert, for example, that there were 5 Arab "hijackers" on FL11 or 4 Arab "hijackers" on FL93, you are nothing more than a stone cold racist, and a religious bigot to boot!

Here's what I think of the previous comments:

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/finger.html

Get bent.
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Old 12th October 2007, 12:23 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
This is the most disgusting thread I've ever seen at the JREF forums, and the incessant name-calling and attacks against the distinguished Dr. David Ray Griffin not only violates forum rules, it is also bad etiquette.

I hereby call for the moderator to ban all those who made ad hominem attacks! Get tough.

Not only does it seem like I'm in a 3rd grade playground, I still haven't seen even one intelligent argument raised against Dr. Griffin. And even if Griffin is wrong about this topic, that means nothing. Galileo was incorrect about the comets and Newton wrong about alchemy.

You guys make a big deal that Griffin insulted a 9/11 victim, yet by doing that, you are insulting a Truth-seeker and implicitly condoning mass murder. Outrageous behavior! I call on you all to step up like a man and retract!

Most important of all, if Griffin is wrong, then Andrew Kornkven is right; the phone calls do not support the OCT and in fact, prove it wrong.

Hence, the phone calls say the "hijackers" had guns, and the callers give different seat numbers for the "hijackers". That means the "hijackers" were NOT Arabs.

The calls also prove there were fewer "hijackers" on the planes than the official story tells. If you assert, for example, that there were 5 Arab "hijackers" on FL11 or 4 Arab "hijackers" on FL93, you are nothing more than a stone cold racist, and a religious bigot to boot!

Here's what I think of the previous comments:

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/finger.html

lol...your kidding right?

DRG is not a member here. If we had to ban everyone on this forum who said something bad about BUSH or CHENEY, also not members here, well the population at JREF would be cut by 75%.

The rest of your post is absolute crap. Now I am insulting your post, not you, so you can run to the mods with it if you like, but I AM ATTACKING THE ARGUMENT, NOT THE ARGUER.

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Old 12th October 2007, 12:25 PM   #50
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If you like the comments so far, here is another related to DRg, the high priest of 9/11.

He is a snake oil salesmen who makes money of lies that accuse with out evidence or merit, innocent americans of mass murder. He is articulate but ignorant. He is well educated, but ill informed on the facts of the topic he writes about.

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I had to check out Galileo's posting history here at JREF.
Wow.Just Wow.
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I had to check out Galileo's posting history here at JREF.
Wow.Just Wow.
He's giving Max Photon a run for his money in the loony department, that's for sure.
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This is the most disgusting thread I've ever seen at the JREF forums, and the incessant name-calling and attacks against the distinguished Dr. David Ray Griffin not only violates forum rules, it is also bad etiquette.
No.

Originally Posted by Galileo
I hereby call for the moderator to ban all those who made ad hominem attacks! Get tough.
No ad hominem attacks have been made. His points are wrong, and his conclusions disgraceful.

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Not only does it seem like I'm in a 3rd grade playground, I still haven't seen even one intelligent argument raised against Dr. Griffin. And even if Griffin is wrong about this topic, that means nothing. Galileo was incorrect about the comets and Newton wrong about alchemy.
Yes, they were wrong on those topics. However, the repercussions were not disgusting. Griffin's, in this case, are. Regardless, to compare Isaac Newton with David Ray Griffin is an absurdity.

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You guys make a big deal that Griffin insulted a 9/11 victim, yet by doing that, you are insulting a Truth-seeker and implicitly condoning mass murder. Outrageous behavior! I call on you all to step up like a man and retract!
I want a quote to back up this claim that we condone mass murder.
Then again, you won't find one. So let's just leave it. Per contra: Making a big deal about insulting a 9/11 victim?! How shameful!

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Most important of all, if Griffin is wrong, then Andrew Kornkven is right; the phone calls do not support the OCT and in fact, prove it wrong.
The burden of proof is on Griffin, bucko. And he has done so such thing.

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Hence, the phone calls say the "hijackers" had guns, and the callers give different seat numbers for the "hijackers". That means the "hijackers" were NOT Arabs.
The calls also prove there were fewer "hijackers" on the planes than the official story tells. If you assert, for example, that there were 5 Arab "hijackers" on FL11 or 4 Arab "hijackers" on FL93, you are nothing more than a stone cold racist, and a religious bigot to boot!
Now, now. Let's leave the slander out.
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This is the most disgusting thread I've ever seen at the JREF forums, and the incessant name-calling and attacks against the distinguished Dr. David Ray Griffin not only violates forum rules, it is also bad etiquette.
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Originally Posted by Hyperviolet View Post
No.



No ad hominem attacks have been made. His points are wrong, and his conclusions disgraceful.



Yes, they were wrong on those topics. However, the repercussions were not disgusting. Griffen's, in this case, are. Regardless, to compare Isaac Newton with David Ray Griffin is an absurdity.



I want a quote to back up this claim that we condone mass murder.
Then again, you won't find one. So let's just leave it. Per contra: Making a big deal about insulting a 9/11 victim?! How shameful!



The burden of proof is on Griffin, bucko. And he has done so such thing.



Now, now. Let's leave the slander out.
* Anyone who attacks Dr. Griffin is condoning mass murder. Dr. Griffin is trying to bring the facts that prove an axis of evil (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld) were behind the 9/11 attacks. If you attack Dr. Griffin, then that is equivalent to saying you want mass murderers to go free.

* Both Isaac Newton and Dr. David Ray Griffin have uncovered new truths about the universe, Newton in the physical realm, and Griffin in the political realm.

In one sense you are correct, the comparison is absurd; Dr. Griffin has never advocated alchemy.

* The burdon of proof is on you to prove the phone calls are real, bucko.
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* The burdon of proof is on you to prove the phone calls are real, bucko.
The phone calls were received. The family members talked to their loved ones. The family members seem satisfied that they actually DID talk to their loved ones. This is OUR proof.

You think those calls were faked? You think a 'voice morph' can fool a mother into thinking she's talking to her own son? Prove it.

Your shifting of the burden of proof doesn't change the facts.
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* Anyone who attacks Dr. Griffin is condoning mass murder. Dr. Griffin is trying to bring the facts that prove an axis of evil (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld) were behind the 9/11 attacks. If you attack Dr. Griffin, then that is equivalent to saying you want mass murderers to go free.

* Both Isaac Newton and Dr. David Ray Griffin have uncovered new truths about the universe, Newton in the physical realm, and Griffin in the political realm.

In one sense you are correct, the comparison is absurd; Dr. Griffin has never advocated alchemy.

* The burdon of proof is on you to prove the phone calls are real, bucko.
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You have just tied with Max Photon in the Loon department.

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* Anyone who attacks Dr. Griffin is condoning mass murder. Dr. Griffin is trying to bring the facts that prove an axis of evil (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld) were behind the 9/11 attacks. If you attack Dr. Griffin, then that is equivalent to saying you want mass murderers to go free.

* Both Isaac Newton and Dr. David Ray Griffin have uncovered new truths about the universe, Newton in the physical realm, and Griffin in the political realm.

In one sense you are correct, the comparison is absurd; Dr. Griffin has never advocated alchemy.

* The burdon of proof is on you to prove the phone calls are real, bucko.
Why haven't you tried to convince the family members of the victims who made those calls that the they were faked? Why has no one in the "truth" movement done this, for that matter? Instead you just impotently post tantrums on a skeptics forum where everyone can see through your weak arguments.

Wait, let me guess: the family members are in on it too.
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* Anyone who attacks Dr. Griffin is condoning mass murder. Dr. Griffin is trying to bring the facts that prove an axis of evil (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld) were behind the 9/11 attacks. If you attack Dr. Griffin, then that is equivalent to saying you want mass murderers to go free.
Dr Griffin is failing to bring any facts. That's the problem see?

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Really? What truths has Griffin uncovered?

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In one sense you are correct, the comparison is absurd; Dr. Griffin has never advocated alchemy.
Yeah he just advocates that the US government was behind 9/11 without any fact to back it up.

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The family members believe that the calls were real. What's your proof again?
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The phone calls were received. The family members talked to their loved ones. The family members seem satisfied that they actually DID talk to their loved ones. This is OUR proof.

You think those calls were faked? You think a 'voice morph' can fool a mother into thinking she's talking to her own son? Prove it.

Your shifting of the burden of proof doesn't change the facts.
I don't think the calls were faked, and never said such a thing. Please get your facts straight. In this forum, we discuss facts.

You are shifting the burden of proof, but that does not change the facts.
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I don't think the calls were faked, and never said such a thing. Please get your facts straight. In this forum, we discuss facts.

You are shifting the burden of proof, but that does not change the facts.
So you believe that the calls have to be proven real but you don't think they were faked. Wow.
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Dr Griffin is failing to bring any facts. That's the problem see?


Really? What truths has Griffin uncovered?



Yeah he just advocates that the US government was behind 9/11 without any fact to back it up.



The family members believe that the calls were real. What's your proof again?
You don't seem to get it, do you Red Tail?

The phone calls are real and they don't support your stupid theory about Arabs taking over a plane with boxcutters so quickly the pilots can't even issue a distress signal.

The passengers, in their calls, said the hijackers had GUNS. That is how they took over the plane, they shot the pilots.

The passengers didn't say the hijackers were Arabs. Only a racist would assume they were. Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney gave the seat numbers of the hijackers, and they were seat numbers of white people for the most part.

The passengers also gave us the number of hijackers. But racist people, in their desire to label all Arabs as murderers, have changed the number of hijackers because they can't fathom the idea that innocent Arab passengers were also murdered on 9/11.
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So you believe that the calls have to be proven real but you don't think they were faked. Wow.
So you disbelieve that the calls don't have to be proven false, but you think they weren't faked.

Wow.
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You don't seem to get it, do you Red Tail?

The phone calls are real and they don't support your stupid theory about Arabs taking over a plane with boxcutters so quickly the pilots can't even issue a distress signal.
what? did you bother to read some of the transcripts from the phone calls?


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The passengers, in their calls, said the hijackers had GUNS. That is how they took over the plane, they shot the pilots.
false. this proves you never read all the calls transcripts.
How wrong can you be in such a short post?


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The passengers didn't say the hijackers were Arabs. Only a racist would assume they were.
Holy damn. When someone his hijacking a plane, their race is not something i would care about. So what if they didn't specifically state they were "ARABS"? were the passengers AT THAT time, worried about getting the race of their killers right?

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Oh and the couldn't be wrong? in a chaotic event happening where passengers were suddenly thrown into a terrorist situation, do you honlestly think that both would get the seats correct? or that the passengers themselves wouldn't MOVE to empty seats?

Damn, on empty planes like those on 9/11/2001, people MOVE from their assigned seat if there ARE OTHER empty seats. I do that QUITE often on flights that I take, where the a WHOLE row could be empty. I choose to move to that row, so that I can lay across it!

Or if they are apart of a party and are seperated, wouldn't it be nice to move to sit next to the ones you know?

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The passengers also gave us the number of hijackers. But racist people, in their desire to label all Arabs as murderers, have changed the number of hijackers because they can't fathom the idea that innocent Arab passengers were also murdered on 9/11.

Holy damn, you're interjectcing racism where NONE existed. THEY WERE arabs, or did you MISS the part where the FBI identified them and gave out their nationalities?
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* Anyone who attacks Dr. Griffin is condoning mass murder. Dr. Griffin is trying to bring the facts that prove an axis of evil (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld) were behind the 9/11 attacks. If you attack Dr. Griffin, then that is equivalent to saying you want mass murderers to go free.

* Both Isaac Newton and Dr. David Ray Griffin have uncovered new truths about the universe, Newton in the physical realm, and Griffin in the political realm.

In one sense you are correct, the comparison is absurd; Dr. Griffin has never advocated alchemy.

* The burdon of proof is on you to prove the phone calls are real, bucko.
Your logic escapes me. Are you telling us that Mr. Griffin is incapable of making mistakes? Or more importantly telling lie after lie.
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Old 12th October 2007, 01:39 PM   #66
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So you disbelieve that the calls don't have to be proven false, but you think they weren't faked.

Wow.



No, I think they weren't faked because the family members agree that those calls were made by their loved ones.
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Old 12th October 2007, 01:45 PM   #67
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Holy damn, you're interjectcing racism where NONE existed. THEY WERE arabs, or did you MISS the part where the FBI identified them and gave out their nationalities?
Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney identified the hijackers. They were on the plane, not the FBI.

Your zeal to label the hijackers as Arabs, only reinforces my knowledge that you are a racist.

Racism has no place in this forum.
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Old 12th October 2007, 01:46 PM   #68
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You don't seem to get it, do you Red Tail?

The phone calls are real and they don't support your stupid theory about Arabs taking over a plane with boxcutters so quickly the pilots can't even issue a distress signal.
Yes it takes at least 3-4 minutes to slash a seated man's throat.

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The passengers, in their calls, said the hijackers had GUNS. That is how they took over the plane, they shot the pilots.
Who said the pilots were shot?

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The passengers didn't say the hijackers were Arabs. Only a racist would assume they were. Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney gave the seat numbers of the hijackers, and they were seat numbers of white people for the most part.
Except for the martyr videos. Yeah.

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The passengers also gave us the number of hijackers. But racist people, in their desire to label all Arabs as murderers, have changed the number of hijackers because they can't fathom the idea that innocent Arab passengers were also murdered on 9/11.
The number of all of the hijackers or the number they could see?
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The story that Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney gave seat numbers of the hijackers not corresponding to the Al Qaeda members is based on one uncorroborated report of the Boston Globe.

Actually, the full transcript of their phone calls shows that they did give the correct seat numbers.

Details in this post.
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney identified the hijackers. They were on the plane, not the FBI.

Your zeal to label the hijackers as Arabs, only reinforces my knowledge that you are a racist.
Nope. The nationalities of every single hijacker were identified. It so happens that those nationalities are all of Arab extraction. They also all spoke Arabic. This is verifiable.

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Nor do stupid adolescents who have pretend lives. Grow up.
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Most important of all, if Griffin is wrong, then Andrew Kornkven is right; the phone calls do not support the OCT and in fact, prove it wrong.


Uhh, no... that's a fallacy of false dilemma.

Stupid A: "The sky is red!"
Stupid B: "No, the sky is yellow!"

Pointing out that Stupid B is wrong does not prove Stupid A correct. Think, please.
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney identified the hijackers. They were on the plane, not the FBI.
omg. you sure do not know what you are talking about


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Your zeal to label the hijackers as Arabs, only reinforces my knowledge that you are a racist.

Reported. Im tired of you labeling everyone as racists, when I am going by what the FBI released - of whom THEY identified as being ARABS and muslim extremists.

Now, you take back your accusation that Im a racist. Im far from it. Born of mixed nationalities (14 to be exact), IM The LAST freaking person on this planet to be considered a racist (and one of them is a middle eastern nationality).

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Funny. you throw that accusation around, but it seems that you dont really understand what it means. Calling me a racist is like calling the Pope an atheist.
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
* Anyone who attacks Dr. Griffin is condoning mass murder. Dr. Griffin is trying to bring the facts that prove an axis of evil (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld) were behind the 9/11 attacks. If you attack Dr. Griffin, then that is equivalent to saying you want mass murderers to go free.

* Both Isaac Newton and Dr. David Ray Griffin have uncovered new truths about the universe, Newton in the physical realm, and Griffin in the political realm.

In one sense you are correct, the comparison is absurd; Dr. Griffin has never advocated alchemy.

* The burdon of proof is on you to prove the phone calls are real, bucko.
Oh. My.
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
I call on you all to step up like a man and retract!

Some of us aren't men.


Most important of all, if Griffin is wrong, then Andrew Kornkven is right; the phone calls do not support the OCT and in fact, prove it wrong.
Hence, the phone calls say the "hijackers" had guns, and the callers give different seat numbers for the "hijackers". That means the "hijackers" were NOT Arabs.

"Non sequitur" doesn't do this statement justice. We need something way bigger.
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"Just read your initial post-- and it kicks ass!"
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What a utter piece of scum.
Two vowels!! Sorry this really grated on me. And I do know how you JREFFERS love to correct spelling.
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Two vowels!! Sorry this really grated on me. And I do know how you JREFFERS love to correct spelling.
I usually prescribe pink Bismuth for loose vowels.
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I usually prescribe pink Bismuth for loose vowels.

Hope it works!
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