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Old 11th October 2007, 05:48 AM   #1
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William Rodrigeuz vs Kevin McPadden

Just got this in the mail by a SCL fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttlIXUmd3f0

Video proof of the constant revision of their stories.
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Old 11th October 2007, 07:07 AM   #2
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that video was faked!
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Old 11th October 2007, 07:21 AM   #3
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obviously kevin mcpadden didn't practise his lines enough and why would the red cross be in on the countdown?
maybe alex jones thought the red cross touch would give the story credence.
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Old 11th October 2007, 07:27 AM   #4
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obviously kevin mcpadden didn't practise his lines enough and why would the red cross be in on the countdown?
maybe alex jones thought the red cross touch would give the story credence.
Red Cross "in on it"? Or could it be they were simply repeating the countdown and unaware of its implications?
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after seeing him change his story, how can you honestly say that with a straight face, swing?
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Old 11th October 2007, 07:33 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Swing Dangler View Post
Red Cross "in on it"? Or could it be they were simply repeating the countdown and unaware of its implications?
how come its on his radio? no one else has ever said they heard a countdown.
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Old 11th October 2007, 07:34 AM   #7
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So it went from "we heard a rumble"

to

"we heard an explosion that threw us up in the air, the walls and ceiling crumbled, the fire sprinklers went off and everyone was screaming"


I think version 2.0 probably sells more tickets.

ETA: Sounds like one of those movies "based on a true story"
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how come its on his radio? no one else has ever said they heard a countdown.

wrong!! Mike The EMT did!!
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Old 11th October 2007, 07:46 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by nicepants View Post
"we heard an explosion that threw us up in the air, the walls and ceiling crumbled, the fire sprinklers went off and everyone was screaming"

thats when william hit his head,poor fellow.
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Old 11th October 2007, 07:49 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins View Post
wrong!! Mike The EMT did!!
pardon my ignorance, who is Mike The EMT?
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Originally Posted by Swing Dangler View Post
Red Cross "in on it"? Or could it be they were simply repeating the countdown and unaware of its implications?
"Hi, is that the Red Cross? Over."

"Yes, what is it? Over."

"We want you to repeat a countdown for us. Over."

"What? er... Over."

"We want you to repeat a countdown for us. Over."

"Look, are you serious? Over."

"Sure, just repeat a countdown, will you? Over."

"Why the **** would I want to do that, for ****'s sake? We're the *********** Red Cross, not the *********** talking clock! Over."

"Look, I can't tell you why, I just want you to repeat a countdown for me over your radio. Over."

"Look, you sick ****head, stop tying up this *********** radio channel, I'm trying to save *********** lives here! Over and out."

Did it go something like that?

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you don't know Mike the EMT? This guy doesn't know Mike The EMT!!

Mike was a made up character who said he als heard a 20 second countdown of WTC 7. And Dylan RAN with this as TMOASG.

After the Mike hoax was found out, Dylan don't like talkin' bout it no' mo'
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Old 11th October 2007, 07:59 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins View Post
you don't know Mike the EMT? This guy doesn't know Mike The EMT!!

Mike was a made up character who said he als heard a 20 second countdown of WTC 7. And Dylan RAN with this as TMOASG.

After the Mike hoax was found out, Dylan don't like talkin' bout it no' mo'
LOL DYLAN AVERY IS A ................
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Please don't confuse me with Mike the EMT...that guy is a real d-bag


I do have one question, could this whole 321 count down thing be...Engine 321? I don't know if they responded to the WTC before or after the collapse of tower 1 and 2, but it would make sense.


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As far as my credibility goes... I was discharged from the AF with a General Discharge. Failure to report the witness of a crime, Its one time keeping my mouth costs me dearly. The details are thankfully sealed within my Squadron.

does any one know more about this? maybe his story is revenge for this episode.
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Just got this in the mail by a SCL fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttlIXUmd3f0

Video proof of the constant revision of their stories.
Playing devils advocate, but are we not refuting the 'fog of war' confusion we so often use to refute CT claims?
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Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins View Post
after seeing him change his story, how can you honestly say that with a straight face, swing?
I haven't seen the change, Coins. Can you help a brother out?
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Originally Posted by Swing Dangler View Post
I haven't seen the change, Coins. Can you help a brother out?
Just to clarify...you did notice the significant changes that Willie made to his story, correct?
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I haven't seen the change, Coins. Can you help a brother out?
Why are you asking Coins? Could it be that he was simply repeating the post and unaware of its implications?
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Red Cross "in on it"? Or could it be they were simply repeating the countdown and unaware of its implications?
So a Red Cross worker listened to a countdown and then when it hit 'zero' WTC7 collapsed amidst a series of bangs...and yet the Red Cross person had no idea what just happened???

Please don't assume that everyone else is as slow as an average twoofer.
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Red Cross "in on it"? Or could it be they were simply repeating the countdown and unaware of its implications?
Stundied.
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Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins View Post
you don't know Mike the EMT? This guy doesn't know Mike The EMT!!

Mike was a made up character who said he als heard a 20 second countdown of WTC 7. And Dylan RAN with this as TMOASG.

After the Mike hoax was found out, Dylan don't like talkin' bout it no' mo'
I start getting lost when the acronyms exceed 4 letters. What does "TMOASG" mean?
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Originally Posted by Swing Dangler View Post
Red Cross "in on it"? Or could it be they were simply repeating the countdown and unaware of its implications?

Swing.. they don't do the happy new year thing in September. Thats late December and quite a few blocks north. Times Square. You might have heard of it???
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Playing devils advocate, but are we not refuting the 'fog of war' confusion we so often use to refute CT claims?
I don't see that way.

The fog of war is used by mainly media reports and second hand information, not first person eyewitness stories like William and McPadden.

That's like me saying I witnessed a shooting, then a year later say it was a stabbing. Would this make sense? Could I be trusted? No, but that's exactly how William and McPadden is playing the truthers.
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I start getting lost when the acronyms exceed 4 letters. What does "TMOASG" mean?
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I start getting lost when the acronyms exceed 4 letters. What does "TMOASG" mean?
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Red Cross "in on it"? Or could it be they were simply repeating the countdown and unaware of its implications?
Just because Alex Jones cultists follow Grampa Al around repeating his chants without the slightest idea what he or they are talking about, that's no reason to assume others possess a similar lack of self-awareness.
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I haven't seen the change, Coins. Can you help a brother out?
Apparently, the massive change in story that Rodriguez is being accused of is changing the word "rumbling" to "explosion."

Apparently, he has also used the words "seconds" "two seconds" "a few seconds" and then used "7 seconds" to describe the time between the explosion below him and the impact above him. This apparently is the horrible mendacity which gives Gravy and others the carte blanche to assassinate his character.

If you keep asking the regulars here what exactly makes Rodriguez a liar, they will invariably point to these, as well as Rodriguez's claim that he is on the no-fly list.

I'd like to challenge Gravy to prove his research skills and explain to his cohorts why someone can be on the no-fly list and still fly. Some basic research should clarify this.
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Still waiting for Mr. McPadden (Kevinprime here on JREF) to return to answer the questions we have posed about his changing story...any word??

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Still waiting for Mr. McPadden (Kevinprime here on JREF) to return to answer the questions we have posed about his changing story...any word??

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What specific questions did you pose in this thread?

One thing I know for sure about this video is that whoever put it together needs some grammar and punctuation proofreading help, and quick.
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I'd like to challenge Gravy to prove his research skills and explain to his cohorts why someone can be on the no-fly list and still fly. Some basic research should clarify this.
Why don't you just tell us rather than being coy?

Also, care to explain what you were on about in this thread? I'm still scratching my head.
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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
Still waiting for Mr. McPadden (Kevinprime here on JREF) to return to answer the questions we have posed about his changing story...any word??

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He has not returned my email to the address he gave.
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What specific questions did you pose in this thread?

One thing I know for sure about this video is that whoever put it together needs some grammar and punctuation proofreading help, and quick.
In this thread here...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ad.php?t=94832

My questions are in post 37,38,39

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If you keep asking the regulars here what exactly makes Rodriguez a liar, they will invariably point to these, as well as Rodriguez's claim that he is on the no-fly list.

I'd like to challenge Gravy to prove his research skills and explain to his cohorts why someone can be on the no-fly list and still fly. Some basic research should clarify this.
Cut down by me to a specific point. This begs the question: is he on a no-fly list? Or did he just say he was? I wouldn't know, offhand, how to check that; things I've read suggest that the information isn't available, including to the no-fly-ee. (If that term is legit.) And that fact is generally known, at least the media often run the "they won't let my 85 year old grandma and my 2 week old baby fly but won't say why" stories, because they show the government at its silliest. And I expect R.Ibis would know that as well as anyone and if so, his challenge is Disingenuous 101.
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Yep. The media would have a field day if Rodriguez were barred from a flight on account of his being on the no-fly list. Imagine the headline: "9/11 hero kept grounded by Federal no-fly list".

We all know how much of an attention seeker Willy is: there's no way he wouldn't have alerted the media had such a situation happened.
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Cut down by me to a specific point. This begs the question: is he on a no-fly list? Or did he just say he was? I wouldn't know, offhand, how to check that; things I've read suggest that the information isn't available, including to the no-fly-ee. (If that term is legit.) And that fact is generally known, at least the media often run the "they won't let my 85 year old grandma and my 2 week old baby fly but won't say why" stories, because they show the government at its silliest. And I expect R.Ibis would know that as well as anyone and if so, his challenge is Disingenuous 101.
You're very much on the right track.

There are other specifics involved with people who get on the no fly list.

If the research here is so impeccable it shouldn't be hard to explain why Rodriguez is not necessarily lying. In fact, he's likely telling the truth.
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Apparently, the massive change in story that Rodriguez is being accused of is changing the word "rumbling" to "explosion."

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I'd like to challenge Gravy to prove his research skills and explain to his cohorts why someone can be on the no-fly list and still fly. Some basic research should clarify this.
Red Ibis, i gotta hand it to you, I don't think anyone would have guessed that in the remainder of your post you would have totally ignored the first point and somehow make it all the way to the no-fly list! Nicely done, that takes some fancy dancing, and you are the Arthur Murray of mendacity, and the Baryshnikov of baloney.
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If the research here is so impeccable it shouldn't be hard to explain why Rodriguez is not necessarily lying. In fact, he's likely telling the truth.
Did he take a boat to his UK tour?
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Originally Posted by WildCat View Post
Did he take a boat to his UK tour?
I hear you CAN still get passage on freighters sometimes.
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