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Old 22nd October 2007, 01:50 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Loose Change Final Cut Trailer Final Cut Recut has been released!

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Old 22nd October 2007, 01:59 PM   #2
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Hmm... It's not playing for me. Could be the firewall here at work, though.

Is this the same one that's on lc911finalcut.com?
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Gravy;
Do you think Dylan will send you a copy of the movie as a "professional courtesy"
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Old 22nd October 2007, 02:06 PM   #5
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Well done, Mark.

At first I was laughing but when the quotes from the LC boys started....

What absolute pond scum.

Way to expose them (again)!

I'm starting to wonder if perhaps Dylan doesn't want LCFC to make it big after all. If LC ever made it big so to would all of his insulting remarks.

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Old 22nd October 2007, 02:09 PM   #6
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All I can say is...

Damn, those pickles look tasty. Where can I get some?

Oh, and also...

[truther]Hey, no fair using mockery, appeals to emotion, quote mining, ad hominem, and other propaganda techniques! Sure, we do it all the time, but you're actually good at it![/truther]

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Hmm... It's not playing for me. Could be the firewall here at work, though.

Is this the same one that's on lc911finalcut.com?
No, it's not that one. I had initially uploaded it as "Loose Change Final Cut Trailer Final Cut" but had to change the title. Why? Because that's what the actual Loose Change trailer is titled.
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Gravy;
Do you think Dylan will send you a copy of the movie as a "professional courtesy"
Are you implying that either of us is a professional?
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Hmmmm.. I'm only getting the first 20 seconds. Link isn't working so good...
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Absolutely brilliant.

That last quote really takes the whole thing back down to earth (That's the big one at 8:40).

Outstanding work mark
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Old 22nd October 2007, 03:18 PM   #12
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Dammit Gravy, I initially thought it was a genuine trailer and couldn't believe the audacity, even for Avery, to use a Sam Harris quote in the opening sequence!

Nice points on the film.
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Well laugh it up now Mr. GoodOnPotatoes, because once it comes out I have it on good authority IT'S GOING TO MAKE YOU CRY!
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Dammit Gravy, I initially thought it was a genuine trailer and couldn't believe the audacity, even for Avery, to use a Sam Harris quote in the opening sequence!

Nice points on the film.
Thanks, and don't sell Avery short. You're talking about the guy who thinks the truther leaders are analogous to Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, and Gandhi.
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Gravy just beat my Dylan vid like he gave birth to it. Good (inside) job!
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It made me giggle (: Well done.
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Edit, should watch more first! Didn't know it was a joke!
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Excellent video, much more honest than anything Dylan will ever make. I worked in a drive-in movie theater for several summers during my college years; those clips definitely brought back memories.
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Excellent video, much more honest than anything Dylan will ever make. I worked in a drive-in movie theater for several summers during my college years; those clips definitely brought back memories.
The last time I was at a drive-in we saw a triple feature of Planet of the Apes movies, in the early-70's. It's good to go out on a high note like that.
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Funny.

The one thing I did admire Ace Baker for was his ability to laugh along when he was lampooned (as I did to him savagely here, for instance). Not sure that will apply to the Loose Change Gang.

Personally, I wish they'd just go ahead and release their lousy Loose Change Final Cut Colon Movie Film for Real Theaters Not Just YouTube already... Let it die. Anticipation is really all they have left.
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It's one thing to post the actual quotes, it's another to create first person fantasy talk.

These guys are deep deep in your head.

I would take a video editing class and learn about continuity, timing, and how not to load up the screen with too much text. And I would let the quotes speak for themselves if you think they're so outrageous.

Just some notes on your video. I know you're a sharp critic yourself and you can take some constructive criticism.
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That intro was priceless....Now excuse me for a bit...I think i peed myself laughing....
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here ya go, Red.
I'm a minute and a half in and the narrator thinks that Tony Saprano is a real person.

Do I really have to watch the rest?
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Is Gravy crying yet? Is he drinking his tears, as the LCFers wished?

Will there ever be a rainbow?

Eagerly awaiting the well-deserved slicing and dicing this latest revision of TEH TWooF will receive.

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Originally Posted by R.Mackey View Post
Funny.

The one thing I did admire Ace Baker for was his ability to laugh along when he was lampooned (as I did to him savagely here, for instance). Not sure that will apply to the Loose Change Gang.

Personally, I wish they'd just go ahead and release their lousy Loose Change Final Cut Colon Movie Film for Real Theaters Not Just YouTube already... Let it die. Anticipation is really all they have left.
Wow, somehow I had missed your Ace Baker farewell post. A Mackey golden classic!

I think of the Loosers as like little Kevin Trudeaus: "We know that many of you paid for our previous versions of the Truthtm, and we thank you. It's kept us in beer for two years. But for the Real Truth That They Don't Want You To Know Abouttm, you'll need to subscribe to our Truth 4.0tm Download Service."

It kills me that they're now claiming that they turned down big money in order to preserve the integrity of their product. So who do they turn to for money and distribution support? Alex Jones, the man with the least integrity east of the Pecos, and no doubt the only investor they could find who didn't give a damn about the accuracy of the content.
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I'm a minute and a half in and the narrator thinks that Tony Saprano is a real person.

Do I really have to watch the rest?
you don't do sarcasm well, do you?
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Wow, somehow I had missed your Ace Baker farewell post. A Mackey golden classic!
Ace has some serious problems and a dearth of facts, but he did bring the best out in me, at times.

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It kills me that they're now claiming that they turned down big money in order to preserve the integrity of their product. So who do they turn to for money and distribution support? Alex Jones, the man with the least integrity east of the Pecos, and no doubt the only investor they could find who didn't give a damn about the accuracy of the content.
Indeed.

There are some strange folks in Hollywood, many all of whom are vehemently opposed to President Bush, many of whom believe in all kinds of weirdness, many who don't mind dropping money on a vanity project. (Anyone else remember "Battlefield: Earth?") Strangely, Messrs. Avery & Co. still couldn't find anyone willing to give them the support they needed...

This conspiracy gets mightier and more bizarre every day.
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One quick question, are the quotes in your video all actual quotes from the Loose Change 911 creators/contributors?

I never tried to look up any of their quotes before. Some of the stuff I heard was a bit unbelieveable but seeing them in writing is pretty damning. Are they actual quotes?
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One quick question, are the quotes in your video all actual quotes from the Loose Change 911 creators/contributors?

yup. you can find them all over his forum, too... including a saying from Dylan where he supposedly apologized for saying all of that, but that's one thing you won't find, ever.
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One quick question, are the quotes in your video all actual quotes from the Loose Change 911 creators/contributors?

I never tried to look up any of their quotes before. Some of the stuff I heard was a bit unbelieveable but seeing them in writing is pretty damning. Are they actual quotes?
Yes, as I stated at the beginning of the video, all the quotes are real (well, except for the nickname I gave David Ray Griffin in the credits: "What, me fact-check?") Many of those quotes, and many more, are in my June, 2006 paper "Loose Change Creators Speak." (PDF)
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One quick question, are the quotes in your video all actual quotes from the Loose Change 911 creators/contributors?

I never tried to look up any of their quotes before. Some of the stuff I heard was a bit unbelieveable but seeing them in writing is pretty damning. Are they actual quotes?
Only when it appears in actual quotation marks.
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Yes, as I stated at the beginning of the video, all the quotes are real (well, except for the nickname I gave David Ray Griffin in the credits: "What, me fact-check?") Many of those quotes, and many more, are in my June, 2006 paper "Loose Change Creators Speak." (PDF)
Wait a minute here. I know you have me on ignore, but perhaps someone might quote this so that you clear this up.

Are you suggesting that the text throughtout the doc that is not in quotation marks are actual quotes?

For example, at 4:45: “we made 115 false statements comprising 81 errors of fact, and got every single claim wrong.”

If you're actually saying that Avery said that, please provide the source.
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It's one thing to post the actual quotes, it's another to create first person fantasy talk.

These guys are deep deep in your head.

I would take a video editing class and learn about continuity, timing, and how not to load up the screen with too much text. And I would let the quotes speak for themselves if you think they're so outrageous.

Just some notes on your video. I know you're a sharp critic yourself and you can take some constructive criticism.
Oh, are you always wrong?
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please provide the source.
he's not saying he said that. But Avery did sdo just that in his little doohickey movie of his
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Originally Posted by RedIbis View Post
Wait a minute here. I know you have me on ignore, but perhaps someone might quote this so that you clear this up.

Are you suggesting that the text throughtout the doc that is not in quotation marks are actual quotes?

For example, at 4:45: “we made 115 false statements comprising 81 errors of fact, and got every single claim wrong.”

If you're actually saying that Avery said that, please provide the source.
If you would try, you could watch LC and find 115 false statements comprising 81 errors of fact, and got every single claim wrong. Those are facts about the LC product. `

Rational people could source this themselves. It requires watching the LC junk.
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Originally Posted by RedIbis View Post
Wait a minute here. I know you have me on ignore, but perhaps someone might quote this so that you clear this up.

Are you suggesting that the text throughtout the doc that is not in quotation marks are actual quotes?

For example, at 4:45: “we made 115 false statements comprising 81 errors of fact, and got every single claim wrong.”

If you're actually saying that Avery said that, please provide the source.

You'll note, of course, that what you placed in quotation marks above is not in quotation marks in the video.

The quotations are contained within - wait for it - quotation marks.

This isn't exactly rocket science. Maybe you should watch it again.

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yup. you can find them all over his forum, too... including a saying from Dylan where he supposedly apologized for saying all of that, but that's one thing you won't find, ever.
I've certainly never seen him apologize for any of it. I think the most interesting quote in this batch is regarding the Pentagon. When they were promoting LC2E, they often said that the obvious fact that flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon was the strongest evidence for an inside job. As Avery said, "The Pentagon is the easiest sell."

After being continually hounded by me and others who shook eyewitness accounts, physical evidence, and investigator statements in their faces, in June of this year they took the public stance that whatever hit the Pentagon is irrelevant.

So, whether it was a cruise missile, an A-3 Skywarrior with retrofitted engines, a shoulder-launched rocket, or a 100-ton airliner with human beings on board, who have living relatives, it doesn't matter.

Rather than biting the bullet and apologizing for being so arrogantly, insistently, cruelly wrong, they extracted a huge lump of 24-karat intellectual cowardice from their posteriors and defiantly declared that what was most important is now completely unimportant. "Dedicated to the lives we lost on September 11, 2001," indeed.

Despicable.
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Old 22nd October 2007, 08:21 PM   #40
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Originally Posted by LashL View Post
You'll note, of course, that what you placed in quotation marks above is not in quotation marks in the video.

The quotations are in, wait for it, quotation marks.

This isn't exactly rocket science. Maybe you should watch it again.

I correctly placed them in quotation marks because I was quoting the text. Had I quoted a quote, it would have been single quotation marks inside double.

I know Gravy was constructing the text around the quotes in some attempt at humor, but to use first person narration and put words, whether satiric or not, in someone else's mouth is lame.
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