[Merged]September Clues - Busted!

bonavada · 2nd November 2007, 05:39 AM

seems this a new effort by a CT 9/11 Truthist nevertheless it is very interesting and does actually achieve the claim in the title.
love the BBC estuary accent and sardonically pithy narration.

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MarkyX · 2nd November 2007, 05:59 AM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...57550&hl=en-CA

Completely destroys September Clues. I love it

bonavada · 2nd November 2007, 06:30 AM

hah.

beat you to it by 20 mins.

must say though i enjoyed it too. the narration is quite amusing.

BV

kimota · 2nd November 2007, 12:57 PM

This is getting praise at LCF because it picks on a no planes theory video, but it's strange because the dissection points out September Clue's cheap tricks, i.e. quote mining, selective editing, inaccurate descriptions, providing erroneous explanations to the viewer, etc. So, this busts a video for a theory they don't like, but these same points don't apply to a similar video, Loose Change?

Brainster · 2nd November 2007, 01:10 PM

Nice job overall, but this is like Greg Jenkins doing yet another paper proving that laser beams from space did not bring down the World Trade Center. Well below the "Gravy Line".

I did like the refutation of the "fade-to-black" bit, although there are so many videos that do not have the "fade-to-black" that the focus on the two or so that do by September Clues is silly.

twinstead · 2nd November 2007, 01:13 PM

This IS kind of funny. LC does indeed use the exact same techniques, and has been debunked in a very similar way. Yet, if it is done to a competing woo woo theory, the LCF gang applauds.

If only they would apply the same thinking to their own theory as they do to competing sects of their cult....

MG1962 · 2nd November 2007, 01:49 PM

Thats very very well done piece - Is it just me or is this footage of the impact still hard to watch

Mancman · 2nd November 2007, 02:27 PM

That was very effective. Confirmation of a 570mph+ speed for Flight 175 as well.

RKOwens4 · 2nd November 2007, 02:38 PM

I've been meaning to make my own debunking video of September Clues, but this guy beat me to it.

Oh well, still a great job. Just to elaborate on the cut to black though, I think it's probably due to a brief power outage in the complex affecting the TV antenna on the North Tower. In a clip of the impact from Evan Fairbanks, we can see the power even in the buildings next to the WTC flickered for a brief moment. Surely the WTC complex itself would have been affected, and if this feed was being transmitted through the TV antenna, it this may be why the TV feed cut off for a brief second.

But who knows.

Plantfoam · 2nd November 2007, 02:42 PM

I've watched all of the CT videos, well almost all, as there is like over 500 of them. Out of all of them, September Clues gets under my skin the most....bleh.

Yeah, the Shrek movies were actually animated within a 17 second tv delay as well

RKOwens4 · 2nd November 2007, 02:44 PM

I've been meaning to make my own debunking video of September Clues, but this guy beat me to it. Oh well, still a great job. Just to elaborate on the cut to black though, I think it's probably due to a brief power outage in the complex affecting the TV antenna on the North Tower. In a clip of the impact from Evan Fairbanks, we can see the power even in the buildings next to the WTC flickered for a brief moment. Surely the WTC complex itself would have been affected, and if this feed was being transmitted through the TV antenna, it this may be why the TV feed cut off for a brief second.

But who knows.

A while back I looked through the TV coverage archives of the attacks on the net (still can't post links though!), trying to see if this flicker occured at 8:46 as well, before the news in Manhattan broke in, but couldn't see anything on any of the channels. However, in the TV archives the flicker doesn't occur for the second impact either. It seems this only affected the live feeds. So, if someone can find that this flicker occured at 8:46, it would totally disprove the whole "cutting to black to avoid public seeing impact" theory, since the coverage hadn't even cut in at this point.

brodski · 2nd November 2007, 02:51 PM

Guys, you do realise that this isn't a debunking of "September clues", don't you? It's made by some loon who's fallen for the subliminal advertising Neuro Linguistic Programming woo. Read the credits at the end, look at the captions and symbols they lay over their narrative. Look at the weak "debunking" of some point, listen to the equivocal language "i don't believe that" "I don't accept that" etc.
The stylistic themes and even the accent of the narrator are also (possibly) designed to make this look like an "official" government "debunking". What's very interesting, is that a lot of their debunking is good stuff, but by presenting it in this manner the truth movement is trying to poison the well.

Gah, now I sound like a CTist myself...

332nd · 2nd November 2007, 02:51 PM

September Clues lost me about 2-3 minutes in when they were asking how a woman in Chelsea saw the 2nd plane hit the towers when the towers were so far away.

Hell My Dad saw the 2nd plane hit and he was in North Carolina.

Brainster · 2nd November 2007, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Redtail

September Clues lost me about 2-3 minutes in when they were asking how a woman in Chelsea saw the 2nd plane hit the towers when the towers were so far away.

Hell My Dad saw the 2nd plane hit and he was in North Carolina.

You don't quite get the concept of the no-planers, undoubtedly because you are sane. Their claim is that your dad saw an image inserted into his TV by the media, who were in on the plot. Hence their fascination with the woman in question is not that she saw what millions, possibly billions saw on TV. She saw it live (i.e., not on TV), and thus she must be "debunked" specially because they can't say she saw a CGI image of a plane hitting the South Tower.

Plantfoam · 2nd November 2007, 03:16 PM

There's a couple of Stundie-worthy comments on the video, of course:

Quote:

572 MPH passenger jets at 700 feet altitude ? You are totally crazy man. It's Just physically impossible. Ask any qualified pilot in the entire world.

Quote:

'Prosecutor,Judge and Jury' ? Well, let the broadcasters FACE their critics on these issues and stop using smooth talking misinformants.
How about the walking bridge behind the WTC ?

332nd · 2nd November 2007, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

You don't quite get the concept of the no-planers, undoubtedly because you are sane. Their claim is that your dad saw an image inserted into his TV by the media, who were in on the plot. Hence their fascination with the woman in question is not that she saw what millions, possibly billions saw on TV. She saw it live (i.e., not on TV), and thus she must be "debunked" specially because they can't say she saw a CGI image of a plane hitting the South Tower.

Oh... I shut down after that so I didn't know that SC went into "no plane". I was debating it with someone from the iwon boards and they just kept going on about how it was impossible to see the plane hit from that distance. I didn't get the impression that they were a no planer but maybe so.

RKOwens4 · 2nd November 2007, 04:53 PM

I know this is off-subject but I don't want to start a whole new thread asking this. Can anyone tell me how to post pictures into threads? Thanks.

T.A.M. · 2nd November 2007, 04:59 PM

you need 15 posts before you can post images. You are not allowed to post an image here unless (A) you have uploaded it to jref, or (B) you provide the link, but do not directly produce the image here (hotlinking).

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Mancman · 2nd November 2007, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by RKOwens4

I've been meaning to make my own debunking video of September Clues, but this guy beat me to it. Oh well, still a great job. Just to elaborate on the cut to black though, I think it's probably due to a brief power outage in the complex affecting the TV antenna on the North Tower. In a clip of the impact from Evan Fairbanks, we can see the power even in the buildings next to the WTC flickered for a brief moment. Surely the WTC complex itself would have been affected, and if this feed was being transmitted through the TV antenna, it this may be why the TV feed cut off for a brief second.

The two videos with disturbance in the feed are from WNYW and WABC, both of whom had equipment in WTC1.

Honestly, who would label this obvious signal disruption a 'fade to black'? Who lobotomised the creator of that garbage?

2nd November 2007, 05:59 AM	#2
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,157	[Merged]September Clues - Busted! http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...57550&hl=en-CA Completely destroys September Clues. I love it
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2nd November 2007, 06:30 AM	#3
bonavada Guest Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,073	hah. beat you to it by 20 mins. must say though i enjoyed it too. the narration is quite amusing. BV
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2nd November 2007, 12:57 PM	#4
kimota Scholar Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 111	This is getting praise at LCF because it picks on a no planes theory video, but it's strange because the dissection points out September Clue's cheap tricks, i.e. quote mining, selective editing, inaccurate descriptions, providing erroneous explanations to the viewer, etc. So, this busts a video for a theory they don't like, but these same points don't apply to a similar video, Loose Change?
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2nd November 2007, 01:10 PM	#5
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16,903	Nice job overall, but this is like Greg Jenkins doing yet another paper proving that laser beams from space did not bring down the World Trade Center. Well below the "Gravy Line". I did like the refutation of the "fade-to-black" bit, although there are so many videos that do not have the "fade-to-black" that the focus on the two or so that do by September Clues is silly.
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2nd November 2007, 01:49 PM	#7
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 17,252	Thats very very well done piece - Is it just me or is this footage of the impact still hard to watch
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2nd November 2007, 01:13 PM	#6
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,370	This IS kind of funny. LC does indeed use the exact same techniques, and has been debunked in a very similar way. Yet, if it is done to a competing woo woo theory, the LCF gang applauds. If only they would apply the same thinking to their own theory as they do to competing sects of their cult....

2nd November 2007, 02:27 PM	#8
Mancman Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,008	That was very effective. Confirmation of a 570mph+ speed for Flight 175 as well.
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2nd November 2007, 02:38 PM	#9
RKOwens4 Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 212	I've been meaning to make my own debunking video of September Clues, but this guy beat me to it. Oh well, still a great job. Just to elaborate on the cut to black though, I think it's probably due to a brief power outage in the complex affecting the TV antenna on the North Tower. In a clip of the impact from Evan Fairbanks, we can see the power even in the buildings next to the WTC flickered for a brief moment. Surely the WTC complex itself would have been affected, and if this feed was being transmitted through the TV antenna, it this may be why the TV feed cut off for a brief second. But who knows.
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2nd November 2007, 02:42 PM	#10
Plantfoam Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 217	I've watched all of the CT videos, well almost all, as there is like over 500 of them. Out of all of them, September Clues gets under my skin the most....bleh. Yeah, the Shrek movies were actually animated within a 17 second tv delay as well
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2nd November 2007, 02:44 PM	#11
RKOwens4 Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 212	I've been meaning to make my own debunking video of September Clues, but this guy beat me to it. Oh well, still a great job. Just to elaborate on the cut to black though, I think it's probably due to a brief power outage in the complex affecting the TV antenna on the North Tower. In a clip of the impact from Evan Fairbanks, we can see the power even in the buildings next to the WTC flickered for a brief moment. Surely the WTC complex itself would have been affected, and if this feed was being transmitted through the TV antenna, it this may be why the TV feed cut off for a brief second. But who knows. A while back I looked through the TV coverage archives of the attacks on the net (still can't post links though!), trying to see if this flicker occured at 8:46 as well, before the news in Manhattan broke in, but couldn't see anything on any of the channels. However, in the TV archives the flicker doesn't occur for the second impact either. It seems this only affected the live feeds. So, if someone can find that this flicker occured at 8:46, it would totally disprove the whole "cutting to black to avoid public seeing impact" theory, since the coverage hadn't even cut in at this point.
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2nd November 2007, 02:51 PM	#12
brodski Tea-Time toad Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15,516	Guys, you do realise that this isn't a debunking of "September clues", don't you? It's made by some loon who's fallen for the subliminal advertising Neuro Linguistic Programming woo. Read the credits at the end, look at the captions and symbols they lay over their narrative. Look at the weak "debunking" of some point, listen to the equivocal language "i don't believe that" "I don't accept that" etc. The stylistic themes and even the accent of the narrator are also (possibly) designed to make this look like an "official" government "debunking". What's very interesting, is that a lot of their debunking is good stuff, but by presenting it in this manner the truth movement is trying to poison the well. Gah, now I sound like a CTist myself...
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2nd November 2007, 02:51 PM	#13
332nd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 11,278	September Clues lost me about 2-3 minutes in when they were asking how a woman in Chelsea saw the 2nd plane hit the towers when the towers were so far away. Hell My Dad saw the 2nd plane hit and he was in North Carolina.
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2nd November 2007, 03:07 PM	#14
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16,903	Originally Posted by Redtail September Clues lost me about 2-3 minutes in when they were asking how a woman in Chelsea saw the 2nd plane hit the towers when the towers were so far away. Hell My Dad saw the 2nd plane hit and he was in North Carolina. You don't quite get the concept of the no-planers, undoubtedly because you are sane. Their claim is that your dad saw an image inserted into his TV by the media, who were in on the plot. Hence their fascination with the woman in question is not that she saw what millions, possibly billions saw on TV. She saw it live (i.e., not on TV), and thus she must be "debunked" specially because they can't say she saw a CGI image of a plane hitting the South Tower.
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2nd November 2007, 03:16 PM	#15
Plantfoam Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 217	There's a couple of Stundie-worthy comments on the video, of course: Quote: 572 MPH passenger jets at 700 feet altitude ? You are totally crazy man. It's Just physically impossible. Ask any qualified pilot in the entire world. Quote: 'Prosecutor,Judge and Jury' ? Well, let the broadcasters FACE their critics on these issues and stop using smooth talking misinformants. How about the walking bridge behind the WTC ?
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2nd November 2007, 03:23 PM	#16
332nd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 11,278	Originally Posted by Brainster You don't quite get the concept of the no-planers, undoubtedly because you are sane. Their claim is that your dad saw an image inserted into his TV by the media, who were in on the plot. Hence their fascination with the woman in question is not that she saw what millions, possibly billions saw on TV. She saw it live (i.e., not on TV), and thus she must be "debunked" specially because they can't say she saw a CGI image of a plane hitting the South Tower. Oh... I shut down after that so I didn't know that SC went into "no plane". I was debating it with someone from the iwon boards and they just kept going on about how it was impossible to see the plane hit from that distance. I didn't get the impression that they were a no planer but maybe so.
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2nd November 2007, 04:53 PM	#17
RKOwens4 Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 212	I know this is off-subject but I don't want to start a whole new thread asking this. Can anyone tell me how to post pictures into threads? Thanks.
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2nd November 2007, 04:59 PM	#18
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2nd November 2007, 06:37 PM	#19
Mancman Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,008	Originally Posted by RKOwens4 I've been meaning to make my own debunking video of September Clues, but this guy beat me to it. Oh well, still a great job. Just to elaborate on the cut to black though, I think it's probably due to a brief power outage in the complex affecting the TV antenna on the North Tower. In a clip of the impact from Evan Fairbanks, we can see the power even in the buildings next to the WTC flickered for a brief moment. Surely the WTC complex itself would have been affected, and if this feed was being transmitted through the TV antenna, it this may be why the TV feed cut off for a brief second. The two videos with disturbance in the feed are from WNYW and WABC, both of whom had equipment in WTC1. Honestly, who would label this obvious signal disruption a 'fade to black'? Who lobotomised the creator of that garbage?
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