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September Clues - Busted
seems this a new effort by a CT 9/11 Truthist nevertheless it is very interesting and does actually achieve the claim in the title.
love the BBC estuary accent and sardonically pithy narration.
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[Merged]September Clues - Busted!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...57550&hl=en-CA
Completely destroys September Clues. I love it ![]() |
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hah.
beat you to it by 20 mins. must say though i enjoyed it too. the narration is quite amusing. BV |
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This is getting praise at LCF because it picks on a no planes theory video, but it's strange because the dissection points out September Clue's cheap tricks, i.e. quote mining, selective editing, inaccurate descriptions, providing erroneous explanations to the viewer, etc. So, this busts a video for a theory they don't like, but these same points don't apply to a similar video, Loose Change?
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Nice job overall, but this is like Greg Jenkins doing yet another paper proving that laser beams from space did not bring down the World Trade Center. Well below the "Gravy Line".
I did like the refutation of the "fade-to-black" bit, although there are so many videos that do not have the "fade-to-black" that the focus on the two or so that do by September Clues is silly. |
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This IS kind of funny. LC does indeed use the exact same techniques, and has been debunked in a very similar way. Yet, if it is done to a competing woo woo theory, the LCF gang applauds.
If only they would apply the same thinking to their own theory as they do to competing sects of their cult.... |
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Thats very very well done piece - Is it just me or is this footage of the impact still hard to watch
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That was very effective. Confirmation of a 570mph+ speed for Flight 175 as well.
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I've been meaning to make my own debunking video of September Clues, but this guy beat me to it.
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I've watched all of the CT videos, well almost all, as there is like over 500 of them. Out of all of them, September Clues gets under my skin the most....bleh.
Yeah, the Shrek movies were actually animated within a 17 second tv delay as well ![]() |
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I've been meaning to make my own debunking video of September Clues, but this guy beat me to it. Oh well, still a great job. Just to elaborate on the cut to black though, I think it's probably due to a brief power outage in the complex affecting the TV antenna on the North Tower. In a clip of the impact from Evan Fairbanks, we can see the power even in the buildings next to the WTC flickered for a brief moment. Surely the WTC complex itself would have been affected, and if this feed was being transmitted through the TV antenna, it this may be why the TV feed cut off for a brief second.
But who knows. A while back I looked through the TV coverage archives of the attacks on the net (still can't post links though!), trying to see if this flicker occured at 8:46 as well, before the news in Manhattan broke in, but couldn't see anything on any of the channels. However, in the TV archives the flicker doesn't occur for the second impact either. It seems this only affected the live feeds. So, if someone can find that this flicker occured at 8:46, it would totally disprove the whole "cutting to black to avoid public seeing impact" theory, since the coverage hadn't even cut in at this point. |
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Guys, you do realise that this isn't a debunking of "September clues", don't you? It's made by some loon who's fallen for the subliminal advertising Neuro Linguistic Programming woo. Read the credits at the end, look at the captions and symbols they lay over their narrative. Look at the weak "debunking" of some point, listen to the equivocal language "i don't believe that" "I don't accept that" etc.
The stylistic themes and even the accent of the narrator are also (possibly) designed to make this look like an "official" government "debunking". What's very interesting, is that a lot of their debunking is good stuff, but by presenting it in this manner the truth movement is trying to poison the well. Gah, now I sound like a CTist myself... |
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September Clues lost me about 2-3 minutes in when they were asking how a woman in Chelsea saw the 2nd plane hit the towers when the towers were so far away.
![]() Hell My Dad saw the 2nd plane hit and he was in North Carolina. |
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You don't quite get the concept of the no-planers, undoubtedly because you are sane. Their claim is that your dad saw an image inserted into his TV by the media, who were in on the plot. Hence their fascination with the woman in question is not that she saw what millions, possibly billions saw on TV. She saw it live (i.e., not on TV), and thus she must be "debunked" specially because they can't say she saw a CGI image of a plane hitting the South Tower.
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There's a couple of Stundie-worthy comments on the video, of course:
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Oh... I shut down after that so I didn't know that SC went into "no plane". I was debating it with someone from the iwon boards and they just kept going on about how it was impossible to see the plane hit from that distance. I didn't get the impression that they were a no planer but maybe so.
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I know this is off-subject but I don't want to start a whole new thread asking this. Can anyone tell me how to post pictures into threads? Thanks.
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you need 15 posts before you can post images. You are not allowed to post an image here unless (A) you have uploaded it to jref, or (B) you provide the link, but do not directly produce the image here (hotlinking).
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