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Old 13th October 2017, 05:06 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
3- Energy is also a matter.
No.
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Old 13th October 2017, 06:47 AM   #42
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1- Energy is also a matter.

2- Communism, Evolution and pantheism, holy people, nazism came from spiritualism/paganism.

3- Christianity is half spiritualist pagan religion.
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Old 13th October 2017, 06:51 AM   #43
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So you have come to the conclusion that Islam is the one true religion... by reading that claim in the holy book of Islam.

You seriously don't see any potential weaknesses in that approach?
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Old 13th October 2017, 07:31 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
1- Energy is also a matter.
No, it is not.

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2- Communism, Evolution and pantheism, holy people, nazism came from spiritualism/paganism.
Communism is a political/economic philosophy.

Evolution is a scientific model based on observation and deduction.

Neither of these have their roots in spiritualism or paganism.

Some of the racial ideas of Nazism come from spiritual/neo-paganism. Some of them are good old-fashioned racism. The economic and political organization ideas of Nazism are not spiritual/pagan in origin.


Pantheism, and the idea of holy persons are as old as belief in deities - and yes, you can attribute the idea that certain people are holy, like say Allah's prophets to spirituality/paganism.

Paganism is a label given to other religions to degnigrate them. The word has latin origins and was used by the more urban Chrisitans to refer to countryfolk and their adherence to the old gods. Essentially, in its original form it is a term used by Christians to refer to non-Christians as dumb hicks.

You realize that to Christians, adherents of Islam are pagans?

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3- Christianity is half spiritualist pagan religion.
And?

Are you expecting me to be offended? I'm an atheist - any religion is a collection of nonsense from my POV. Those people simply using their religious faith as an excuse to commit socially responsible acts of charity or to justify their acceptable behaviour get a pass. The rest, not so much.
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Old 13th October 2017, 07:41 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
... Evolution [...] came from spiritualism/paganism...
This is false.
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Old 13th October 2017, 07:55 AM   #46
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1- Energy is also a matter.

2- Communism, Evolution and pantheism, holy people, nazism came from spiritualism/paganism.

3- Christianity is half spiritualist pagan religion.

These are real. Forget your dogmas.

Paganism/spiritualism in everywhere. In Christianity, in atheism, in new ageism ....

Evolution , pantheism, communism have thousands and even millions of years of history.

Paganism has been tried to be infused with known powers since the first people.
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Old 13th October 2017, 07:59 AM   #47
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"Bla, bla, bla... every ideology except for mine is a superstition".

We've heard this claim a lot on this board. Perhaps you could be the forst poster in our history to actually support that claim with some evidence?
A hint: you can't quote the Quran to establish the credibility of the Quran...
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Old 13th October 2017, 08:05 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Emre, what are djinn?
Spir... ahhhh, that doesn't count, because reasons.
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Old 13th October 2017, 08:30 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
1- Energy is also a matter.

2- Communism, Evolution and pantheism, holy people, nazism came from spiritualism/paganism.

3- Christianity is half spiritualist pagan religion.

These are real. Forget your dogmas.

Paganism/spiritualism in everywhere. In Christianity, in atheism, in new ageism ....

Evolution , pantheism, communism have thousands and even millions of years of history.

Paganism has been tried to be infused with known powers since the first people.
1. No.
2. See 1.
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Old 13th October 2017, 08:32 AM   #50
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But if you think about it all you have to support your beliefs is a fourteen hundred year old book which is full of myths and flaws. But I have a lifetime of experience of listening to the revelations of living spirits.
Meanwhile, in Narnia.
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Old 13th October 2017, 08:34 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Evolution , pantheism, communism have thousands and even millions of years of history...
What you and I understand by 'evolution' is clearly not the same thing.

Your definition of 'history' seems to be a bit different too.
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Old 13th October 2017, 08:47 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Nobody has got ghost according to Quran
Does this sentence make any sense in Arabic? Because it doesn't in English.
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Old 13th October 2017, 09:12 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by Sherman Bay View Post
Does this sentence make any sense in Arabic? Because it doesn't in English.
I think he is saying nobody has an immortal spirit in Islam. The Quran says we are resurrected in the flesh, and either go to heaven or hell.
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Old 13th October 2017, 10:39 AM   #54
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I think he is saying nobody has an immortal spirit in Islam. The Quran says we are resurrected in the flesh, and either go to heaven or hell.
So does the bible.

The graves will open and our ancestors will rise up and engage in athletic sports.

That might nit be an exact quote
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Old 13th October 2017, 04:10 PM   #55
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
1- Energy is also a matter.

2- Communism, Evolution and pantheism, holy people, nazism came from spiritualism/paganism.

3- Christianity is half spiritualist pagan religion.

These are real. Forget your dogmas.

Paganism/spiritualism in everywhere. In Christianity, in atheism, in new ageism ....

Evolution , pantheism, communism have thousands and even millions of years of history.

Paganism has been tried to be infused with known powers since the first people.
This is all true of what I said.

Please carefully watch the video related to the topic away from your prejudices.

I also hope that I will translate the my texts related to the subject in Turkish by English.

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Old 13th October 2017, 04:12 PM   #56
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
This is all true of what I said.

Please carefully watch the video related to the topic away from your prejudices.

I also hope that I will translate the my texts related to the subject in Turkish by English.

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Are djinn material or spiritual beings?
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Old 13th October 2017, 04:17 PM   #57
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Material of course. They are not supernatural.

They are living organisms just like us.

Only the structure and features are different from ours.

For example, they may be invisible.
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Old 13th October 2017, 04:35 PM   #58
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Material of course. They are not supernatural.

They are living organisms just like us.

Only the structure and features are different from ours.

For example, they may be invisible.
This one goes into the scrapbook
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Old 13th October 2017, 04:40 PM   #59
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We need more true believers going head to head, hope it'll be like matter and anti-matter
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Material of course. They are not supernatural.

They are living organisms just like us.

Only the structure and features are different from ours.

For example, they may be invisible.
Describe some ways in which we can detect and interact with djinn (üç harfliler).
Compare and contrast with the ways people claim to interact with ghosts.
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Describe some ways in which we can detect and interact with djinn (üç harfliler).
Compare and contrast with the ways people claim to interact with ghosts.
Pottery?
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Pottery?
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Material of course. They are not supernatural.

They are living organisms just like us.

Only the structure and features are different from ours.

For example, they may be invisible.
Good to know.
This being the case, it should be easy for you to produce one for us. Where might I go to find one? Are there any in zoos? What is their preoferred habitat?

Oh, and if they really are invisible, they would be completely blind. Does the Quran mention this? Can we detect them by the tapping sounds from their sticks?
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So does the bible.

The graves will open and our ancestors will rise up and engage in athletic sports.

That might nit be an exact quote
Which is the "reason" why Roman Catholicism has traditionally been against cremation.
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Describe some ways in which we can detect and interact with djinn (üç harfliler).
Compare and contrast with the ways people claim to interact with ghosts.
The djinns actually come in ghosting sessions. There is no such thing as a ghost/soul.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
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3- Energy is also a matter.

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No, energy is not matter. A total misunderstanding of physics.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
1- Energy is also a matter.

2- Communism, Evolution and pantheism, holy people, nazism came from spiritualism/paganism.

3- Christianity is half spiritualist pagan religion.

These are real. Forget your dogmas.

Paganism/spiritualism in everywhere. In Christianity, in atheism, in new ageism ....

Evolution , pantheism, communism have thousands and even millions of years of history.

Paganism has been tried to be infused with known powers since the first people.
Souls/ghosts, reincarnation, , accepting sin as a means of evolution, beyond matter world... These are from Spiritualism too.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
1- Energy is also a matter.

2- Communism, Evolution and pantheism, holy people, nazism came from spiritualism/paganism.

3- Christianity is half spiritualist pagan religion.

These are real. Forget your dogmas.

Paganism/spiritualism in everywhere. In Christianity, in atheism, in new ageism ....

Evolution , pantheism, communism have thousands and even millions of years of history.

Paganism has been tried to be infused with known powers since the first people.
Piling on the nonsense I see.
1. Energy is not matter.
2.Communism, Evolution and pantheism, holy people, nazism DID NOT come from spiritualism/paganism.

Communism is an economic system based on the works of Karl Marx.
Evolution is a scientific theory explaining the diversity of life. It was first introduced in depth by Charles Darwin in the book Origin of the Species in 1859.
Pantheism has been around long before even Judaism
'Holy people' could describe anyone peddling any religion for a living.
Nazism is the ideology of the National Socialist Party of Germany. It was lot of things but mostly was the result of the crazy ideas of Adolf Hitler which included the idea that the Aryan race was superior to all other races. Hitler was obsessed with turning Germany into a modern Sparta where every man woman and child belonged to the state committed to a pure and powerful Germany.

I really wish you would stop tossing out platitudes that are nonsensical and wrong.
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1- Energy is also a matter.

2- Communism, Evolution and pantheism, holy people, nazism came from spiritualism/paganism.

3- Christianity is half spiritualist pagan religion.

These are real. Forget your dogmas.

Paganism/spiritualism in everywhere. In Christianity, in atheism, in new ageism ....

Evolution , pantheism, communism have thousands and even millions of years of history.

Paganism has been tried to be infused with known powers since the first people.

My Turkish articles:


http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...armagedon.html

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...zahurleri.html

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Emre,

Nonsense repeated remains nonsense.
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You don't get it. Your articles are wrong. It's a lot of nonsense if they suggest those ideas and I just pointed out why.
If you suggest I'm wrong, why don't YOU explain your nonsensical claims as opposed to pointing to articles?

My belief is you don't and can't comprehend the facts.
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The leftist/communists began to perceive that their origins are spiritualism.

http://www.gnostics.com/newdawn-1.html

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And Spiritualism/Paganism secret commander of Atheism.


http://freemasonrywatch.org/communism.html

http://www.spiritualatheism.com/
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The leftist/communists began to perceive that their origins are spiritualism.

http://www.gnostics.com/newdawn-1.html
What nonsense. Koo Koo. Why not make a claim and defend it in this forum? Are you afraid it won't stand up to scrutiny?
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And Spiritualism/Paganism secret commander of Atheism.


http://freemasonrywatch.org/communism.html

http://www.spiritualatheism.com/
What nonsense. Koo Koo. Why not make a claim and defend it in this forum? Are you afraid it won't stand up to scrutiny?
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
And Spiritualism/Paganism secret commander of Atheism.


http://freemasonrywatch.org/communism.html

http://www.spiritualatheism.com/
The common viewpoint on these forums is methodolical naturalism.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Methodological_naturalism

It is an approach that excludes explanations that are resort to anything that might fall under spiritualism.
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I spent years arguing with a Sufi on another forum, he thought the Quran had no flaws too.
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Yes, I have read the entire Quran, and I know what it says.
I asked this question in other relevant topic:

I simply want to know: whether such absolute words of God in the Quran are expression or basic & absolute truth or also of gross rationals?

Since you read it all, you can tell. In other sense, whether need of time due to natural environmental changes are also accomodated in Quran or those are just basic truths?
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Wow. Hang on, I will get the popcorn.
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Emre, what are djinn?
It's a liquor for making djinn and dtonics.
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
I asked this question in other relevant topic:

I simply want to know: whether such absolute words of God in the Quran are expression or basic & absolute truth or also of gross rationals?

Since you read it all, you can tell. In other sense, whether need of time due to natural environmental changes are also accomodated in Quran or those are just basic truths?
I don't quite understand your questions. Maybe you could re-phrase them.

I do not think the Quran is the words of God even though it sometimes says things that appear to be God speaking in the first person. For example verse 51.56 says " I created the Jinn and humankind only that they might worship me" (although the exact wording depends on the translation you use )
From my point of view God had nothing to do with the Quran and it is all lies made up by Muhammad.
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