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[Merged]LCFC Errors / Loose Change Final Cut
Let's start a compilation thread here for all the mistakes and bunk.
I'll start it off with the segment of Sander Hicks discussing Mahmoud Ahmad's supposed $100,000 wire transfer to Mohamed Atta. Hicks states that the Wall Street Journal confirmed the story. In fact, they did nothing of the kind. The Journal's house blog, Best of the Web Today, simply linked the Times of India piece and did no original reporting or confirmation:
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Dylan also claims that Satam Al Suqami's passport was in his pocket, but of course he has no way of knowing that. |
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This thread isn't supposed to exist. Dylan told me that the Final Cut would be undebunkable.
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They show Curt Weldon with a chart showing Mohamed Atta, without mentioning that the chart was a recreation, not the supposed original chart produced prior to 9-11.
They also show an Air Force officer saying "We fought many phantoms that day," without mentioning that he's not referring to their supposed "insertions" but to phantom Flight 11, which the military believed was still airborne long after it had crashed into the World Trade Center, and to other flights which were believed to have possibly been hijacked like Delta 1989. |
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Crap. Now the universe is going to end. Like I need another crisis...
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What? Errors in Loose Change: Final Cut?
What next are you going to tell me? The Pope's Catholic? Water's wet? Bears defecate in the woods? |
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What is with "Saeed al Ghamdi" and others attended the Defense Language institute? Yeah, I am sure plenty of others went there, but what does that have to do with your conspiracy? And LTC Steven Butler did not confirm it was a hijacker, he just wrote a letter to the editor of the Monterey Newspaper saying that Bush did it.
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i just found one they claim the mujahadin turned into al queda, that is false, radacls in it turned into the taliban
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Mujahedin basically means a militia set up to 'defend' islamic interests. That could apply to the Habr Gedir of Somalia, the Janjaweed of Sudan, the Taliban, Hamas, Hizbollah, fatah, abu nidal group, the soldiers of the Ottoman empire, the tribesmen who fought alongside T.E. Lawrence, the army of Saladin and so forth.
As with other things, the term self defence can mean different things to different people. |
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Hmm... from a commentator at LCF:
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Haven't seen final cut yet(and won't until I can DL it free) but from the trailor there's already an error: tha of the 9/11 Commission testimony of Norman Mineta. Yet anouther editing job by them to make it sound more devious than what it really turns out to be.
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This is close enough. The term actually means a militia who 'struggles' against a supposed oppressive or unjust source and can mean anything from an insurgent force to a group of freedom fighters to a righteously-formed militia. The term has been usurped by fundementalists these days.
But yeah, peteweaver gets the kewpie doll on that one. |
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This is true, but the correctness of its use in Final Cut depends on its context. Truthers often falsely claim that Arab Mujahedin, including what would be the nucleus of al Qaeda, were funded in part by the U.S. via Pakistan's ISI. That's the "bin Laden was a U.S. agent" argument. Of course it was the Afghan Mujahedin who received that funding, and bin Laden despised the U.S. at that time.
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http://video.google.com/videosearch?...0&so=1&start=0
That didn't take long. ETA: Methinks sales are going to drop off pretty fast now. Anyone with a live LCF account want to spread the good news? |
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i just got done watching the part 8 on google, and i am alittle disapointed
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I would point out that some of the funding that Maktab al-Khadamat (MAK) (The precurser to Al Qaeda) received did in fact come from the US, but not from the Government, rather from muslim charieties inside the US.
However, having said that, the agreement between the Pakistani ISI and the CIA was very strict in that the CIA had to be hands off. They were to give the money and weapons to the ISI and then the Pakistanis would decide who got what. They selected a number of Afghani groups who they considered pro-islamic and not a danger to becoming pro-pushtun independance and then supplied them with the weapons and money they were getting from the CIA. The MAK itself never saw any of that money, and neither did the other foreign fighters (most of whom never did much in the way of fighting anyway) that were in the camps, the Pakistanis saw to that. When the CIA did start to spread deeper into the camps and Afghanistan itself, they also made sure they picked out certain groups to back, none of them being the MAK. In fact OBL's main job early on with the MAK was as fund raiser to help pay their way. |
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Do you have evidence that it stayed on the radar screen for 45 minutes?
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Talk about selective use of evidence. Dylan states that Hani Hanjour came to the US to become a pilot but failed to complete any courses, but did not finish them. Hello, he already had a license before he came!
At least he dropped the insulting Burlingame thing. |
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Erase the time because I believe that was the amount I heard. Regardless it stayed on radar long enough for the military to "confirm" that it was "definitely another plane that hit the tower" and that AA11 was "still airborne and still a hijack" to the FAA? Those quoted words I recall directly from the recordings. |
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So, you were wrong about your 45 minute claim, yet you expect us to trust your memory to provide correct and in context quotes from (?) recordings?
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So there are more errors in LC:FC. Does that mean that there will be a LC:FC Redux?
To ruin a good book and basically quote what I said in a different thread: I can see it now, somewhere in LC land a peon is sitting in a cubicle which has two pneumatic tubes, one for messages and one for bigger things. There is a speakwrite and a telescreen with a picture of this Dylan guy and news continuously saying how the troofer movement is growing at astronomical proportions. A message drops through the smaller tube and the peon takes it. LC:FC malreported doubleplusungood crimethink refs debunkable rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling. |
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