The Future of Gun Control.

Tmy

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Tmy
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I figured this could use its own thread.

They make these "personalized" guns. Basically they only fire for the gun owner who wears a special ring.

http://www.jointogether.org/gv/issues/glossary/safety/personal/

"The owner of the personalized weapon wears an identifying magnetic ring or radio transmitter bracelet. When placed next to the grip of the handgun in the proper orientation, the ring or bracelet unlocks the trigger. The grip is customized to perfectly fit the owner's hand, allowing for easy alignment of the ring or bracelet."


I wonder what people would think of a law that made this tech mandatory on all new guns (when its feasably cost effective some time in the future.)

Do you think that would be a good law, like mandatory airbags. Or would you thik of it as a 2nd amendment violation?
 
Too many guns out there. Makes it a bit difficult to shoot someone elses gun at a range too. Cute idea. Perhaps we ought to enforce some of the laws that we have.
 
I just wonder how easy it would be to find the proper frequency or magnetic imprint and then pin a murder on the owner. There's not very much information about the technology on the link.
 
Ed said:
Too many guns out there. Makes it a bit difficult to shoot someone elses gun at a range too. Cute idea. Perhaps we ought to enforce some of the laws that we have.
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Just give them your ring. There's alot of cars wh/o airbags too, but with attrition, theres less n less every day.

I think its promissing. It could be win/win for both sides of the gun issue.

By the way, what gun laws ARENT being enforced??
 
Tmy said:
I figured this could use its own thread.

They make these "personalized" guns. Basically they only fire for the gun owner who wears a special ring.

http://www.jointogether.org/gv/issues/glossary/safety/personal/

"The owner of the personalized weapon wears an identifying magnetic ring or radio transmitter bracelet. When placed next to the grip of the handgun in the proper orientation, the ring or bracelet unlocks the trigger. The grip is customized to perfectly fit the owner's hand, allowing for easy alignment of the ring or bracelet."


I wonder what people would think of a law that made this tech mandatory on all new guns (when its feasably cost effective some time in the future.)

Do you think that would be a good law, like mandatory airbags. Or would you think of it as a 2nd amendment violation?
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I question its being practical in a life-or-death situation. I would have to know a lot more and have a lot of experience with it before I trusted it.

I am specifically worried about the gun not firing if the ring isn't just in the PERFECT position.

BTW...what exactly is the point of this? What specific scenario is it meant to prevent? The only one I can think of is one where someone gets your gun and immediately turns it on you. But I'm not sure if covering that one scenario is worth the possible other impacts to the effectiveness as a self-defense weapon.
 
Freakshow said:
BTW...what exactly is the point of this? What specific scenario is it meant to prevent? The only one I can think of is one where someone gets your gun and immediately turns it on you. But I'm not sure if covering that one scenario is worth the possible other impacts to the effectiveness as a self-defense weapon.
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Id prevent accidental shooting by children who find a gun. Or protect you if the gun is taken by the perp. It could make a stolen gun useless.

Knida like a pass key. Who knows. the teck may reach a point when all you need a the ring, And it wouldnt make the fireing cumbersum
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Tmy said:
Id prevent accidental shooting by children who find a gun.
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A gun safe is a better choice for that. Because it doesn't impact the effectiveness of the gun once you actually do have it in your hand. Also, if kids find an unsecured gun, they can find an unsecured ring. If you are going to secure one of them in a safe anyway...what's the ring for?

Or protect you if the gun is taken by the perp.
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Yep, I'll grant that one. Still not a very common case, but you are right.

It could make a stolen gun useless.
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I would be surprised if the technology is very difficult to get around once a gun is stolen.
 
Yeah, then you build a broadband transmitter that broadcasts in the ranges the guns work on...

Look, Ma, I'm bulletproof!


As far as self defense goes, What if you find the gun, but not the ring. Then you see whomever brokeinto your house twirl the ring on his finger.

Thirdly, I can also see a multi-band ring being made...works with any gun.

Lastly, I just can't see criminals caring. THis mechanism will be disarmed and they will use your gun anyway.

As for children, whatever happened to gun safes and teaching children about guns? I was 7 at my first gun demo with my dad. Worked wonders.
 
I think of the ring as more of a key. Like the key to a gun safe! Some people dont use safes because theyll be defenseless in an emergency if they dont have time to unlock a safe.

And you never know how good the tech can get. Look at cell phones. Stealing one is pointless cause it can be rendered useless by the phone company.

Say, maybe guns should have lo-jack. So you can track stolen guns like wh stolen cars.
 
I knida suprised that so many of you are shooting down this idea (bad pun intended.). It that cause of knee jerk gun right sensitivity/paranioa?
 
Tmy said:
I knida suprised that so many of you are shooting down this idea (bad pun intended.). It that cause of knee jerk gun right sensitivity/paranioa?
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No, it is because it doesn't actually seem like a good idea. It looks like a solution in search of a problem. I question whether the small amount of benefit from the idea will outweigh the potential problems it could cause.
 
Freakshow said:
No, it is because it doesn't actually seem like a good idea. It looks like a solution in search of a problem. I question whether the small amount of benefit from the idea will outweigh the potential problems it could cause.
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I feel its the reverse. Very little problems vs. much benefit.

Whats the big danger with guns? Falling into the wrong hands. This would greatly reduce that problem.
 
Tmy said:
I feel its the reverse. Very little problems vs. much benefit.
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Have you done a lot of shooting or defensive handgun work? Was just wondering what you are basing this on.

Whats the big danger with guns? Falling into the wrong hands. This would greatly reduce that problem.
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I have yet to be convinced of this.
 
I've seen a couple of segments on this research on the History channel's Tales of the Gun series.
Both Colt and S&W are doing research, presumably other manufacturers as well.
Perhaps they see a chance of sizeable sales to law enforcement. There are always a certain number of "officer killed with own weapon" incidents each year, and there has been a tendency over the last decade or so to try to keep the weapon as "safe" as possible. (primarily with "retention" holsters)

The number of incidents remains very low, however, and could be reduced further by better officer training in weapon retention and defensive tactics. (IMO)
The "safe for children" concern is perhaps a valid one, and kiddies of a certain age are remarkably diligent when it comes to figuring out how to open gun safes and such. (my brother-in-law's kid did it..., taking daddy's pistol to school)
 
Bikewer said:
The "safe for children" concern is perhaps a valid one, and kiddies of a certain age are remarkably diligent when it comes to figuring out how to open gun safes and such. (my brother-in-law's kid did it..., taking daddy's pistol to school)
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What kind of gun safe was it? Doesn't sound like one of much quality. You don't really think the safe industry (not just gun safes, but all safes) could survive if they were all THAT easy to get into, do you?
 
Freakshow said:
What kind of gun safe was it? Doesn't sound like one of much quality. You don't really think the safe industry (not just gun safes, but all safes) could survive if they were all THAT easy to get into, do you?
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Im guessing the kid found the key. Like how my buddies got into daddies liquor cabinent.

While Ive only done some shooting, I imagine a day when a simple ring can unlock a gun. Would that be so bad? Do people take off their wedding rings when shooting?

And what is "defensive" shooting anyhow?
 
Tmy said:
Im guessing the kid found the key. Like how my buddies got into daddies liquor cabinent.
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My gun safe is similar to a model like this: http://www.botac.com/gunvamugvde.html

The combination can involve multiple buttons being pressed at once, thus increasing the number of possible combinations. It can be opened with a key, but that key is in a different safe, that can only be opened by a combination I know. Another neat feature I like is that mine has a door that is recessed a bit into the front opening, so there is no space to get something like a screwdriver or crowbar into it to pry it open.

While Ive only done some shooting, I imagine a day when a simple ring can unlock a gun. Would that be so bad? Do people take off their wedding rings when shooting?
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I don't know, but I never wear rings at all. Maybe someday the technology will be good enough. Don't really know.

And what is "defensive" shooting anyhow?
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Defensive handgun use refers to studying techniques and practices that aren't used when just standing still, shooting a still target. The techniques include things like drawing from the holster, shooting from cover, shooting on the move, clearing malfunctions (even while moving), shooting from various positions, properly moving from one position to another, reloading on the move, retention techniques, etc. It is a whole new skill set beyond just standing still and taking as much time as you want to hit a target.
 
Tmy said:
I feel its the reverse. Very little problems vs. much benefit.

Whats the big danger with guns? Falling into the wrong hands. This would greatly reduce that problem.
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Oh, you mean how cars having keys keeps people from stealing cars?

It just seems like a pain in the ass - for the lawabiding gun owner.
 
It occurs to me that from a mechanical standpoint, it would be very difficult to manufacture a firearm with an effective device of this sort that could not be defeated by someone who had stolen the pistol. The internal works must be serviceable, after all.

There are many problems with these devices, which is why, perhaps, they have not seen the market yet.
 
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