Hawaii jumps on the 50 cal ban-wagon

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The State of Hawaii is trying to add more firearms to its list of banned weapons. They started with the ones that few people owned or used for crime; machineguns, short barreled rifles and shotguns, assault pistols (i.e. heavy semi-autos), and cannons. Now they are going after one of my favorites, the 50 BMG rifle. The proposed bill is a bit like California’s AB50, but it is an outright ban on future ownership of these rifles as soon as the bill is signed into law.

The bill also seems to be written by the same idiot who thinks that coating a bullet with teflon makes it armor piercing. They define a 50 BMG cartridge as one with an overall length of 5.54”, while the actual standard length is 5.45 inches. Maybe it is a typo, but they could be a bit more careful. While some politicians claim that the 50 BMG is a threat, they do not address any other 50 caliber or lesser rifles that should be equal threats in their paranoid world

The Honolulu police chief claims these rifles will take down an airplane, despite there being no evidence they have ever been used to do so. He also indirectly acknowledges that the 90 Oahu residents who own these rifles have never used them to commit any crime. I’m still glad I do not live there anymore.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessioncurrent/bills/sb2579_.htm

http://kgmb9.com/kgmb/display.cfm?storyID=7040

Ranb
 
Damn, how will I kill 5 elephants lined up together with the same bullet while I vacation in Hawaii now?
 
You'll just have to insert the bullet manually. Assuming the elephants are cooperative, of course.
 
As one of the 90 .50BMG owners in Hawaii, I see this bill as nothing more than a "feel-good-that-we-got-rid-of-all-those-evil-weapons" Bravo Sierra Legislation. Most of the .50BMG owners, are, like myself, Registered FFL dealers & exempt from the law. Makes it kinda stupid when you think about it, never mind the glaring fact that not one crime has ever been committed in the state with this type of weapon (for some reason, criminals do not like lugging around a 30lb, 50" single shot bolt action rifle that requires you to remove the stock & bolt to insert the round, then reassemble the bloody thing, and then you can set it up to fire) Yes, the People's Repbulic of Hawaii has had some bonehead legislation (after all those bills, the #1 weapon of choice for criminals, after knives & clubs are shotguns & old police revolvers that were auctioned off when the department converted to 9mm semiautos...)For the record, the ban on cannon applies only to weapons utilizing a cased round. My 2lb Falconet & 4lb Bronze Bombard are quite legal (& well known by the PD-We fire salutes with them at a lot of public events, like the Highland Games & Midsummer night's gleam) As usual, the politicians are trying to make it look like they are actually accomplishing something-here in the 50th state, there are waaay more deaths from idiots driving souped up race cars & monster trucks (Illegal modifications under the state's reconstructed vehicle laws) participating in illegal street races, but noooo, lets go after the evil .50BMGs...that's the threat to society (why? because the responsible gun owners will largely comply with the law-look how many so called "assault pistols" were sold out of state or surrendered after the ban, whereas stopping the street racers would require real police work, instead of contacting registered owners...)
 
Ravenwood said:
As one of the 90 .50BMG owners...
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You are my hero.

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C S Costa said:
You'll just have to insert the bullet manually. Assuming the elephants are cooperative, of course.
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Nope, they do not cooperate at all. The last time I saw one running loose from the circus in Hawaii, HPD was trying to stop it using their ar15/m16's with predictable results, the elephant turned and ran after they dumped a mag into the poor thing. After many long minutes and lots of ammo later, it finally fell down. Excerpts were shown on the news, sick stuff. A 50 BMG or 700 nitro would have helped out a bit.

Ranb
 
After I win the lotto, I'm going to get myslef a .416 Rigby (£70 for 5 rounds) and shoot coke cans with it!
 
RandFan said:
I honestly didn't know if it did have a problem with reloading. Why do you think it does?
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Ravenwood said:
single shot bolt action rifle that requires you to remove the stock & bolt to insert the round, then reassemble the bloody thing, and then you can set it up to fire
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I also wondered about how long it takes to reload.
 
Ravenwood said:
As one of the 90 .50BMG owners in Hawaii, I see this bill as nothing more than a "feel-good-that-we-got-rid-of-all-those-evil-weapons" Bravo Sierra Legislation.
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In Washington State, the Senate will have an open house where they read the bill and let various people air their views pro or con. Does Hawaii do this at all?

The last time I showed up for one here, there were two hundred people trying to speak out against the various gun ban measures, and about ten who signed up to support them. Of course, the sponsor of the bills did not like to play fair, he scheduled the hearings before the text of the bill was released to the public, so we had to listen carefully when it was read instead of having a copy in front of us to refer to when speaking of the finer points of the proposed law.

Ranb
 
fishbob said:
I also wondered about how long it takes to reload.
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Yeah, see, I didn't read that far. :D

I'm not sure if this is true for all BMG's. Most pictures show a magazine configuration. Why the magazine?
 
Illinois' current governor is proposing similar legislation. He has been trying to get something passed ever since the Clinton Assault Weapons ban sunset(ted?).

It never ceases to amaze me at how politicians can ignore existing evidence when proposing such things.

Like George Carlin, I'll leave symbolism to the symbolminded.
 
RandFan said:
Yeah, see, I didn't read that far. :D

I'm not sure if this is true for all BMG's. Most pictures show a magazine configuration. Why the magazine?
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Most of the sporting 50 BMG rifles are single shot bolt action. In other words, they operate exactly like smaller bolt action rifles. Lift the bolt handle, pull back to extract spent case, push forward and lower handle to make ready for the next shot. Some like the LAR grizzly I own, is what are called shell holder actions. The entire bolt is removed from the action, the bolt gripping the rim of the case in a groove. A new round is placed on the bolt, which is then inserted and locked down like a bolt making the rifle ready to fire. Most bolt actions are single shot, without magazines. Some like the Barret M95, and one the EDM arms rifle are magazine fed bolt actions. The Barret M82 is an example of a semi-auto mag fed rifle.

For more info, just look up names like, Barrett, Serbu, LAR, EDM, Vulcan, Armalite, State Arms, BAT. Look here for more http://www.fcsa.org/vendors.html

Ranb
 
Mark said:
Well, no one has brought down a plane with a nuclear bomb, either.
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Well, no one is trying to ban nukes in Hawaii because they might be used to take down aircraft. No one likes a smart-ass. :) What makes you think anyone would try to use one of these guns to down an airplane anyway?

Ranb
 
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