Do you think this is fraud?

ImOne

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These guys are selling books based on their claims. They claim that a certain test using identical twins demonstrates telepathy and that test results are directly observable and repeatable. They use a polygraph to show the response in the isolated twin. What do you think?

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I absolutely agree with you. These guys are definitely selling books.



Books filled with what is probably total nonsense, but books.
 
"Although this was not a rigidly controlled scientific experiment, it looked very much like it."

In other words, we aren't real scientists, but we look like them. That's good enough for me.
 
"Although this was not a rigidly controlled scientific experiment, it looked very much like it."

In other words, we aren't real scientists, but we look like them. That's good enough for me.
Well, they did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
 
Saying that it's directly observable and repeatable goes beyond opinion. It should not be difficult to establish the truth.
 
From the description it sounds like they are doing some after the fact interpretation. Damien stuck his arm in ice water and Richard's polygraph showed a blip. Normally I'd wonder if there was collusion (cheating) between the twins, as that would be a very twin-ly thing to do. But a single blip is pretty unimpressive.
 
Was each twin isolated, and exposed to random stimuli at random intervals? S imple set of die from a monopoly board would make things much more conclusive.

Also, the polygraph has little, if any, scientific merit.
 
Saying that it's directly observable and repeatable goes beyond opinion. It should not be difficult to establish the truth.

i disagree, conjuring and card tricks fall into this category but arent necessarily truth. but i get your drift. if it is what they seem to claim, just go for the million dollar prize!
 
I'd just ask the receiving twin to determine whether or not the other twin has stuck his hand into the ice water this round. If the receiver wants to use a polygraph and an examiner to do this, fine.
 
Typical. Polygraph examiner looking for "something that shouldn't be there", not a specific, predicted in advance response. Also, there is the statement that neither of the second twins were consciously aware of anything happening to the other twin. So, as usual, this alleged telepathy can't be used to actually transmit any useful information. Plus myriad opportunities for sensory leakage: in the second demonstration described there was pyrotechnics and an INTERCOM...
 
Given Playfair's mendacity regarding the CSICOP/CSMMH test on Natasha Demkina, I'm not about to accept anything he writes at face value, and certainly not a column plugging his own book.

Claims Playfair:
We have had the statistical evidence for some time, and we now have the visible evidence, produced by an easily repeatable experiment.
There's a problem with his claim of the "experiment" being replicated, though, namely this:
It was not the first time that an ostensibly telepathic signal had been recorded at the moment it was received. In 1997, the same polygraph expert supevised [sic] an experiment held in front of a live audience for a programme in Carlton TV's Paranormal World of Paul McKenna series shown on 24th June.
Italics mine.

Now, as ImaginalDisc has already rightly pointed out, polygraphs are of highly dubious validity to begin with, and here we have the same guy operating the machine in both instances where the desired result was achieved. When scientists speak of replicability, they mean that someone else was also able to perform the experiment with the same result, not that one guy did his schtick twice.

I can't tel whether we're dealing with active fraud or self-delusion here, but I'm highly skeptical that there's anything to it, at least based on this column. Interestingly, my mother is one of identical twins, and despite years of close observation, I've never known my mother or my aunt to exhibit this kind of behavior. They've certainly never incurred spontaneous bone fractures.
 
They perform this test in front of an audience, put it on tv, and profit from this activity.

It's not just entertainment. Thsese are claims "... we now have the visible evidence, produced by an easily repeatable experiment."


As for the polygraph, it's not being used to detect lying. It's just showing a response. Polygraphs do that.
 

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