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shemp 13th September 2020 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 13221924)
One thing the Trump "Presidency" should have highlighted to legal scholars and Congress is the need to clarify the entire concept of martial law. It is not mentioned in our The Constitution and there's a smorgasbord of SCOTUS precedent to choose from on it.

There is clear guidance from two cases from Hawaii in WWII that US citizens, in the US cannot be put in military proceedings while the civilian courts are still open and functioning. Unfortunately, it's unclear if there are any circumstances where a US citizen can be put in front of a military tribunal in the US.

https://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/...80&context=ylj

There's not even any agreement on if the term "martial law" is legally meaningful. If it is meaningful, it's not clear the president has the authority to declare it. A decision by SCOTUS during the Korean War says only Congress has the authority. Sadly, most of the main constitutional questions on these cases were never ruled on because they were moot by the time the case made it all the way to the Supreme Court.

After Trump's flirtation with the Insurrection Act, it seems clear Congress needs to get to work next year on clarifying this.

Assuming that all the Democratic congresspeople aren't locked up at Gitmo. Or dead.

JoeMorgue 13th September 2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by shemp (Post 13221987)
Assuming that all the Democratic congresspeople aren't locked up at Gitmo. Or dead.

What Democratic Congresspeople? Congress has always been 100% Republican. It's always been that way. Republicans have been the only party in America for decades now, don't you remember?

shemp 13th September 2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13221989)
What Democratic Congresspeople? Congress has always been 100% Republican. It's always been that way. Republicans have been the only party in America for decades now, don't you remember?

Not sure if this is an incisive comment, an attempt at humor, or a real-life example of the Mandela Effect.

Trebuchet 13th September 2020 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13221897)
Well, yes, I’d figured that much out, but what is the benefit of being allowed to “use the 10% Pumps for the 15% BLEND”? What does it mean?

More money for Big Corn.

Ladewig 13th September 2020 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13221925)
Some quotes from the trump Rally

On the West Coast wildfires
"It is about forest management. Please remember the words, very simple, forest management."

On Wind Turbines
"They spew more crap into the air than anything, we gotta talk to the environmentalists"

On winning a third term
"We're gonna win four more years in the White House, and then we'll negotiate, because based on the way we were treated, we're probably entitled to another four years after that"

On a purported antifa sympathizer being killed by US Marshals
"By the way, the US Marshals did a great job in Portland. You know what I mean"

On testing
"The reason we show many cases, because we have the best testing program in the world by far"
"We're at like, around 180,000,. we've done an incredible job"

On Biden
"He wants to ban energy"
"He will indoctrinate your children with poisonous anti-American lies in school."

On voting
"The only way we're tied is if they screw around with the ballots, which they will do in my opinion"
"We have a rigged election. It's a rigged election"
"I hope you're all going to be poll watchers, because with you people watching the polls it's going to be pretty hard to cheat. I'll tell you, I wouldn't want to be a cheater"

The first woman Trump mentions during his rally is Donna Brazile, the audience responds by chanting "lock her up!"
Trump responds by calling for Hillary Clinton to be imprisoned and that "Her lawyers should go to jail with her"

And he is considering outlaw matter itself.

How does a candidate get away with this ******

shemp 13th September 2020 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13222021)
And he is considering outlaw matter itself.

How does a candidate get away with this ******

Because half the people in this country are complete ******* ******** who want to kill and imprison the other half.

Steve 13th September 2020 12:28 PM

Ah, USA politics. The one true sign of a “great” country......

..... no, I can’t do it. USA, you are truly pathetic. Even North Korean politics make more sense.

JoeMorgue 13th September 2020 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 13222059)
Ah, USA politics. The one true sign of a “great” country......

..... no, I can’t do it. USA, you are truly pathetic. Even North Korean politics make more sense.

And again I'm so glad that the steady decline of my country is all worth so foreigners who already thought America was backwoods yokels have been proven right.

Ladewig 13th September 2020 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shemp (Post 13222032)
Because half the people in this country are complete ******* ******** who want to kill and imprison the other half.

Sadly, I think there is no way to more accurately or more simply describe the country.

Ladewig 13th September 2020 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13221952)
Wait a minute... Black Lives Matter... Bureau of Land Management... *Gasp* It all makes sense now!

*Whispers* We're through the looking glass here people...

Only today did I see that Kushner told Woodward that if he wanted to understand Trump, he should read “Alice in Wonderland.” Kushner specifically singled out the Cheshire Cat who uses endurance and persistence, not direction, as his strategy.

Kushner also said, “The most dangerous people around the president are overconfident idiots."



We are so ********.

Andy_Ross 13th September 2020 01:40 PM

Trump Tweets

I did more in 47 months as President than Sleepy Joe Biden did in 47 years! #MAGA

Just signed a new Executive Order to LOWER DRUG PRICES! My Most Favored Nation order will ensure that our Country gets the same low price Big Pharma gives to other countries. The days of global freeriding at America’s expense are over...

...and prices are coming down FAST! Also just ended all rebates to middlemen, further reducing prices.

Andy_Ross 13th September 2020 01:42 PM

Thought he had already signed an EO to lower drug prices a month or so ago.

JoeMorgue 13th September 2020 01:42 PM

Wait when was Biden president for 47 years? I mean I know I don't always pay as much attention to politics as I should but I'm pretty sure I would have noticed that.

shemp 13th September 2020 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13222120)
Wait when was Biden president for 47 years? I mean I know I don't always pay as much attention to politics as I should but I'm pretty sure I would have noticed that.

Again, Mandela Effect.

JoeMorgue 13th September 2020 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shemp (Post 13222127)
Again, Mandela Effect.

You're right. Looking at again we've always been at war with Eurasia. I don't know how I could have been mistaken.

shemp 13th September 2020 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13222131)
You're right. Looking at again we've always been at war with Eurasia. I don't know how I could have been mistaken.

Report to the nearest Reeducation Center immediately.

Steve 13th September 2020 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13222081)
And again I'm so glad that the steady decline of my country is all worth so foreigners who already thought America was backwoods yokels have been proven right.

You can’t say that. You are America! The rest of the world does not matter (unless there is financial gain to be realized).

Ladewig 13th September 2020 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shemp (Post 13222134)
Report to the nearest Reeducation Center immediately.

So, just out of curiosity, what kind of pay do you think re-education center employees make? Is there a uniform allowance?

The Man 13th September 2020 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13222015)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13221897)
Well, yes, I’d figured that much out, but what is the benefit of being allowed to “use the 10% Pumps for the 15% BLEND”? What does it mean?

More money for Big Corn.

Also means you may unwittingly be violating the vehicle's warranty.

Stacyhs 13th September 2020 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13222117)
Trump Tweets

I did more in 47 months as President than Sleepy Joe Biden did in 47 years! #MAGA

Just signed a new Executive Order to LOWER DRUG PRICES! My Most Favored Nation order will ensure that our Country gets the same low price Big Pharma gives to other countries. The days of global freeriding at America’s expense are over...

...and prices are coming down FAST! Also just ended all rebates to middlemen, further reducing prices.

Is there any evidence of this? The way Trump lies, I wouldn't believe this without evidence.

shemp 13th September 2020 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13222156)
So, just out of curiosity, what kind of pay do you think re-education center employees make? Is there a uniform allowance?

We They don't think the remuneration is as important as the enjoyment and personal fulfillment we they get from the work.

thaiboxerken 13th September 2020 03:34 PM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrews.../#15f1aa4a287c

Third terms if he wins...

newyorkguy 13th September 2020 04:15 PM

From the Forbes link:
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President Trump said Saturday that he plans to “negotiate” to run again in 2024 if he wins reelection in November...
Who does he plan on 'negotiating' with? :(

thaiboxerken 13th September 2020 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13222249)
From the Forbes link:


Who does he plan on 'negotiating' with? :(

The Senate and the SCOTUS who could be majority Trumpanzees.

RedStapler 13th September 2020 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13222249)
From the Forbes link:


Who does he plan on 'negotiating' with? :(

In his constantly increasing stupidity he probably means either that he has some strange, of course not existing 'right' for 4 more years since the pesky Dems tried to impeach his 'innocent' ass or he plans on replacing key positions in the justice system so they will 'decide' that he is totally eligible for 4 more years since the pesky Dems tried to impeach his 'innocent' ass. :)

JoeMorgue 13th September 2020 04:36 PM

The only silver-lining is that there is zero chance of Trump surviving 8 more years (hell I wouldn't put even money on 4 more) and there isn't an obvious successor to take the throne he's trying to build for himself.

The good thing about cults is they don't survive the deaths of their leaders.

Stacyhs 13th September 2020 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13222267)
The only silver-lining is that there is zero chance of Trump surviving 8 more years (hell I wouldn't put even money on 4 more) and there isn't an obvious successor to take the throne he's trying to build for himself.

The good thing about cults is they don't survive the deaths of their leaders.

Not necessarily. North Korea is an example of one that did and I can name a certain religion that did.

JoeMorgue 13th September 2020 04:52 PM

Fair. Amend to "The good things about cults is they don't tend to survive the deaths of their leaders."

Safe-Keeper 13th September 2020 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13222281)
Fair. Amend to "The good things about cults is they don't tend to survive the deaths of their leaders."

At least with Trump gone, they won't be unified under one leader anymore. They will be just as bigoted, authoritarian, and insufferable, but maybe just a tad bit less visible and vocal.

SezMe 13th September 2020 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13221479)
That assumes they are connected to the Internet

No. It merely assumes that the planes have electronic communications capabilities, which is obviously true. For example, the military might be able to use GPS to send more than just positioning data. If so, that has nothing to do with the internet.

shemp 13th September 2020 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RedStapler (Post 13222256)
In his constantly increasing stupidity he probably means either that he has some strange, of course not existing 'right' for 4 more years since the pesky Dems tried to impeach his 'innocent' ass or he plans on replacing key positions in the justice system so they will 'decide' that he is totally eligible for 4 more years since the pesky Dems tried to impeach his 'innocent' ass. :)

Well, if they want Civil War II that's the route they should take.

Norman Alexander 13th September 2020 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RedStapler (Post 13222256)
In his constantly increasing stupidity he probably means either that he has some strange, of course not existing 'right' for 4 more years since the pesky Dems tried to impeach his 'innocent' ass or he plans on replacing key positions in the justice system so they will 'decide' that he is totally eligible for 4 more years since the pesky Dems tried to impeach his 'innocent' ass. :)

The good thing is that one of the potential outcomes of any negotiation with an untrustworthy client is "**** OFF".

thaiboxerken 13th September 2020 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13222313)
The good thing is that one of the potential outcomes of any negotiation with an untrustworthy client is "**** OFF".

Well.. Trump is probably using the Republican definition of negotiation, which is he gets what he wants and gives up nothing for it.

Bob001 13th September 2020 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 13222289)
At least with Trump gone, they won't be unified under one leader anymore. They will be just as bigoted, authoritarian, and insufferable, but maybe just a tad bit less visible and vocal.


But if Trump loses, he won't be gone. He has only served one term. He can run again in 2024. He can raise money, make speeches and incite mobs for the next four years, and so can his offspring. If anything goes wrong during the Biden administration, Trump can win. And how will his cultists respond if the 2024 Democratic candidate is Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams? If Trump doesn't run, he can throw his support behind some younger, smarter fascist like Ted Cruz or Tom Cotton. Whatever is happening now is far from over.

Norman Alexander 13th September 2020 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13222321)
But if Trump loses, he won't be gone. He has only served one term. He can run again in 2024. He can raise money, make speeches and incite mobs for the next four years, and so can his offspring. If anything goes wrong during the Biden administration, Trump can win. And how will his cultists respond if the 2024 Democratic candidate is Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams? If Trump doesn't run, he can throw his support behind some younger, smarter fascist like Ted Cruz or Tom Cotton. Whatever is happening now is far from over.

Less likely if he is in jail, or has fled to Moscow to escape prosecution, or he has been committed to an asylum for the terminally bewildered.

Horatius 13th September 2020 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13221893)

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The long-time Republican dirty trickster, who has a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back, offered the startling advice on Thursday, in a call to conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’s Infowars online show.

Well, that just says it all.

Horatius 13th September 2020 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13222117)
Just signed a new Executive Order to LOWER DRUG PRICES! My Most Favored Nation order will ensure that our Country gets the same low price Big Pharma gives to other countries. The days of global freeriding at America’s expense are over...


We should perhaps note that "Big Pharma" doesn't "give" other countries lower prices. Other countries with Universal Health Care tend to negotiate with Big Pharma, using their massive purchasing power, to make them sell at better prices.

Of course the "Businessman president" doesn't get that.



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Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13222156)
So, just out of curiosity, what kind of pay do you think re-education center employees make? Is there a uniform allowance?



Education is a CommieNazi plot, so of course they get **** wages and have to buy their own whips to use on the students.

RedStapler 13th September 2020 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13222409)

Education is a CommieNazi plot

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I AGREE

The Great Zaganza 13th September 2020 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken (Post 13222218)

This is not just bravado by Trump: if he wins, he is a Lame Duck from day 1: Republicans will think of the post-Trump era and make sure not to distance themselves from anything too crazy.

gypsyjackson 13th September 2020 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13222117)
Trump Tweets

I did more in 47 months as President than Sleepy Joe Biden did in 47 years! #MAGA

Just signed a new Executive Order to LOWER DRUG PRICES! My Most Favored Nation order will ensure that our Country gets the same low price Big Pharma gives to other countries. The days of global freeriding at America’s expense are over...

...and prices are coming down FAST! Also just ended all rebates to middlemen, further reducing prices.

I can’t find the EO, but this matter does, as Horatius notes, seem to demonstrate a misunderstanding of Most Favoured Nation rules. Under MFN, unless you have a registered free trade agreement, you can’t give a tariff discount to countries that export a product to you unless you give the same discount to all other non-FTA countries.

I thought I would check what the US tariffs are on medicines, choosing packaged pseudoephedrine as an example completely at random, and it seems the US has long had a zero tariff. So I’m not sure how an executive order could do anything to MFN tariffs other than increase them. Maybe import subsidies?

gypsyjackson 13th September 2020 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13221927)
Trump Tweets

Sleepy Joe Biden has spent 47 years in politics being terrible to Hispanics. Now he is relying on Castro lover Bernie Sanders to help him out. That won’t work! Remember, Miami Cubans gave me the highly honored Bay of Pigs Award for all I have done for our great Cuban Population!

Trying to grab some of that sweet Bay of Pigs glory the US is renowned for.

The Great Zaganza 13th September 2020 10:13 PM

I presume the Bay of Pigs Award is a mocking award to single out a person who proclaims support for a group but then abandons them to their death for political expedience.
If so, it entirely fitting.

Bob001 13th September 2020 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13222469)
I presume the Bay of Pigs Award is a mocking award to single out a person who proclaims support for a group but then abandons them to their death for political expedience.
If so, it entirely fitting.


Not even that. It doesn't exist at all.
Quote:

Attacking Joe Biden and seeking to exploit reports that his rival is struggling with Latino voters, Donald Trump boasted on Sunday of receiving “the highly honoured Bay of Pigs Award” from Cuban Americans in the battleground state of Florida.

Perhaps inevitably, and to the glee of the internet, no such award exists.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ida-cuba-biden

Stacyhs 13th September 2020 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13222472)
Not even that. It doesn't exist at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ida-cuba-biden

What next? He'll claim he was awarded the Purple Heart that retired Lt. Col. handed him back in 2016? Or maybe the Nobel Prize that he was nominated for?

The Great Zaganza 13th September 2020 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13222472)
Not even that. It doesn't exist at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ida-cuba-biden

Can we set up a Bay-of-Pigs award then?

I'm thinking of a Logo with a Pig's head on a stick from Lord of the Flies.

Bob001 13th September 2020 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13222475)
What next? He'll claim he was awarded the Purple Heart that retired Lt. Col. handed him back in 2016? Or maybe the Nobel Prize that he was nominated for?


Every time anybody mentions that -- and apparently it's in heavy rotation on Fox -- it should be noted that there are probably tens of thousands of people in the world who can submit a nomination. There are at least 318 nominees this year.

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According to the statutes of the Nobel Foundation, a nomination is considered valid if it is submitted by a person who falls within one of the following categories:

Members of national assemblies and national governments (cabinet members/ministers) of sovereign states as well as current heads of states

Members of The International Court of Justice in The Hague and The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague

Members of l’Institut de Droit International

Members of the international board of the Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom

University professors, professors emeriti and associate professors of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion; university rectors and university directors (or their equivalents); directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes

Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize

Members of the main board of directors or its equivalent of organizations that have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize

Current and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee (proposals by current members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after 1 February)

Former advisers to the Norwegian Nobel Committee
https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/

Ladewig 13th September 2020 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13222482)
Every time anybody mentions that -- and apparently it's in heavy rotation on Fox -- it should be noted that there are probably tens of thousands of people in the world who can submit a nomination. There are at least 318 nominees this year.


https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/

Wait!

In past years Trump couldn’t even get Jerry “I like to watch” Falwell, Jr to nominate him?

And no Republican senators would nominate him?

And he couldn’t get Ukrainian President V. Zelinski to mail his name to Oslo?

KDLarsen 14th September 2020 02:30 AM

It's good to be king

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Nevada event in front of a mostly mask-less crowd breaches state’s 50-person limit and Trump administration’s coronavirus guidelines

In open defiance of state regulations and his own administration’s pandemic health guidelines, President Donald Trump on Sunday hosted his first indoor rally since June, telling a packed, nearly mask-less Nevada crowd that the nation was making the last turn in defeating the virus.

Eager to project a sense of normalcy in imagery, Trump soaked up the raucous cheers inside the warehouse venue. Relatively few in the crowd wore masks, with one clear exception: those in the stands directly behind Trump, whose images would end up on TV, were mandated to wear face coverings.
The Guardian: Trump's first indoor rally since June defies Covid laws, attacks Biden

I'm going to assume that yet again, nothing is going to come of it.

Craig4 14th September 2020 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13222321)
But if Trump loses, he won't be gone. He has only served one term. He can run again in 2024. He can raise money, make speeches and incite mobs for the next four years, and so can his offspring. If anything goes wrong during the Biden administration, Trump can win. And how will his cultists respond if the 2024 Democratic candidate is Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams? If Trump doesn't run, he can throw his support behind some younger, smarter fascist like Ted Cruz or Tom Cotton. Whatever is happening now is far from over.

Trump will be 78 in 2024 and let's face it, he's no Joe Biden. We have strong indications that his health is failing. The fight to be the heir of Trump is going to be ugly with his nits who grew into lice, former cabinet members and probably a few demagogue businessmen vying for the crown. If the Trump administration ends next year and along with it, the loss of the Senate, he's going to leave a weakened and fractured GOP.

Andy_Ross 14th September 2020 03:32 AM

Trump Tweets

Biden Handlers know this is a lie!
Quote Tweet

New ad by the Biden camp suggesting President Trump will deplete Social Security by 2023, receives four Pinocchios from WAPO.
FACTS MATTER.

We will be substantially LOWERING Medicare Premiums and Prescription Drug Prices, bringing them down to levels that were not thought possible!


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