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kevbo 14th October 2021 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward (Post 13629300)
Considering the states that probably want to go, I would be happy to pack their bags for them.

Now, if there were only some way to protect those in red states that live in large urban enclaves.

As has been pointed out, it is more about rural vs urban, than red state vs blue state. I am pretty sure the urban blue would not be happy about having their bags packed for them. They seem okay, if not content, to live where they do due to family, jobs, climate, etc. They probably would like to see political solutions rather than to divide the states.

BobTheCoward 14th October 2021 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kevbo (Post 13629507)
Now, if there were only some way to protect those in red states that live in large urban enclaves.

As has been pointed out, it is more about rural vs urban, than red state vs blue state. I am pretty sure the urban blue would not be happy about having their bags packed for them. They seem okay, if not content, to live where they do due to family, jobs, climate, etc. They probably would like to see political solutions rather than to divide the states.

Red states are mostly urban and the mostly urban population is voting republican.

kevbo 14th October 2021 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward (Post 13629567)
Red states are mostly urban and the mostly urban population is voting republican.

Mostly is not all.

Stacyhs 14th October 2021 06:27 PM

We're including Lauren Boebert in this thread, aren't we?

A tweet from the brunette equivalent of MTG:


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Lauren Boebert
@laurenboebert
A man in Norway just killed a bunch of people with a bow and arrow.

Norway has some of the strictest gun laws around, yet mass killings still occur.

Liberals need to understand it is not the gun - it is the criminal who commits the act!
This guy in Norway killed five people with a bow and arrow. It's the worst mass killing there since 2001. For those who can't count, that 20 years. How many people have been shot to death in the US since 2001? We have more than five people murdered by guns in ONE DAY.

We really do need to have an IQ test above 110 as a requirement to run for office in this country. It would cut down on idiots like MTG, Boebert, and Tuberville getting elected.

gypsyjackson 14th October 2021 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13629727)
We're including Lauren Boebert in this thread, aren't we?

A tweet from the brunette equivalent of MTG:




This guy in Norway killed five people with a bow and arrow. It's the worst mass killing there since 2001. For those who can't count, that 20 years. How many people have been shot to death in the US since 2001? We have more than five people murdered by guns in ONE DAY.

We really do need to have an IQ test above 110 as a requirement to run for office in this country. It would cut down on idiots like MTG, Boebert, and Tuberville getting elected.

The Anders Breivik massacre was in 2011, and was considerably worse in terms of numbers. But doesn’t detract from your point in general.

gypsyjackson 14th October 2021 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote (Post 13628911)
It was Walter talking about the nihilists. "Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, but at least it's an ethos."

That also feels apposite, somehow…

Stacyhs 14th October 2021 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gypsyjackson (Post 13629801)
The Anders Breivik massacre was in 2011, and was considerably worse in terms of numbers. But doesn’t detract from your point in general.

:thumbsup:

rambaldi 15th October 2021 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gypsyjackson (Post 13628901)
A mate of mine who lectured at Berkeley in the mid-2000s swears he saw a redneck interviewed on local TV who said he’d “rather have a Mooslim for President than a atheist, coz at least they believe in something”.
.

True or not, a lot of MTG's disciples would be much happier with joining the Taliban, walking around with their M16s, keeping women in the kitchen etc

Norman Alexander 15th October 2021 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rambaldi (Post 13630021)
True or not, a lot of MTG's disciples would be much happier with joining the Taliban, walking around with their M16s, keeping women in the kitchen etc

Many already have. They just don't know it yet.

eerok 16th October 2021 05:37 PM

It couldn't happen to a more deserving pair of jackasses.

Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz’s Big Fundraising PAC is Nearly Broke (motherjones.com)
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Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz both have a knack for ginning up outrage and stealing headlines. All this sound and fury is assumed to hoover up dollars from the riled up grassroots, but that’s not true, according to the most recent campaign finance filings.
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In its first few months, the Put America First PAC seemed like it was off to a hot start, raising $360,000 in its first two months—but according to new campaign finance filings made by the PAC it now has just $13,000 in cash. Multiple tour stops were cancelled this summer. Gaetz and Greene did hold at least one major event in Iowa in August. Despite attracting big headlines, the rally was, apparently, a financial bust. The group spent $159,000 from July 1 to September 30, and raised just $57,000.

newyorkguy 16th October 2021 06:23 PM

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It's just the Put America First PAC, though, that flopped. And it was a disaster. From The Daily Beast:
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Since Gaetz and Greene kicked off their joint fundraising committee with a May 7 event at The Villages in central Florida, their campaigns and joint fundraising committee have posted a combined loss of $342,000. And according to recent filings with the Federal Election Commission, that joint fundraising effort, “Put America First,” reported only $59,345.54 in contributions. Daily Beast link
However, Marge's own fundraising PAC -- Greene For Congress -- is doing extremely well. In the first nine months of 2021 Greene raised $6 million (though I think in the last quarter that tailed off a bit too). See FEC screencap below:

Stacyhs 17th October 2021 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13631235)
It's just the Put America First PAC, though, that flopped. And it was a disaster. From The Daily Beast:


However, Marge's own fundraising PAC -- Greene For Congress -- is doing extremely well. In the first nine months of 2021 Greene raised $6 million (though I think in the last quarter that tailed off a bit too). See FEC screencap below:

How many of those poor putzes thought they were giving money to the Green Party? :eek:

The Great Zaganza 17th October 2021 07:59 AM

The problem with right wing grifters is that they have bled their supporters from decades now - there is just not much left; definitely not when they give all their money to a bloatfish like Trump, mistaking him for a shark.

bruto 17th October 2021 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13631528)
The problem with right wing grifters is that they have bled their supporters from decades now - there is just not much left; definitely not when they give all their money to a bloatfish like Trump, mistaking him for a shark.

There always seems to be a little more, though, and you know, you'd be rich if not for the {place epithet here}. America would be great again, and so would you, if you just send me some more so I can return to the time when you could keep the {whatever you picked before} out of our clubs and our schools and our neighborhoods. It's a powerful message for those too stupid to know it wasn't the {yes, them again} that are poisoning the earth and turning your brain to oatmeal.

Jim_MDP 17th October 2021 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13631528)
The problem with right wing grifters is that they have bled their supporters from decades now - there is just not much left; definitely not when they give all their money to a bloatfish like Trump, mistaking him for a shark.

No.
The US ranks high in per capita charity and I think a small majority of that is RW/conservative extra "tithing" to parochial charities and causes.
There's really no bottom to US donations, we'll "give till it bleeds"... and most of that, if you want to get predatory, will come from the right.

kevbo 18th October 2021 06:02 PM

Donny sets the tone, and MJT has to help spin it to preserve the big lie. Using the word panicked in the article headline was definitely click-bait, but the story still stands on its own.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ers/ar-AAPFSkf

"I recently conducted a poll on Georgia's elections and if my constituents felt their votes would count during a teletown hall," she tweeted on Monday. "Sadly, 4% said they won't even vote due to voter fraud. This is WRONG. Legal votes by Rs are just as important as stopping illegal ones."

Except there aren't any illegal votes. At least not enough to make a difference. But hey, can't let a good grift go, you know. Keep those donations coming in.

This is one situation where I hope they listen to Donny, not her. Fewer votes from deplorables can't help but be a good thing. :)

Norman Alexander 18th October 2021 09:54 PM

And now she is in a major ****-show spat with Lin Wood. Two cats fighting in a bag, and that bag should be thrown in the river.

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Trump allies Lin Wood and Marjorie Taylor Greene exchange right-wing insults in a public feud

Wood and Greene are controversial figures and staunch supporters of former President Donald Trump. Both appear to have expressed belief in the QAnon conspiracy theory, and both have spread baseless conspiracy theories about the 2020 election being fraudulent.

Yet, they have fallen out in recent months, and have been engaged in a war of words on social media.

The feud appears to have begun months ago, when Marjorie Taylor Greene replaced Wood as her attorney in a defamation case.

“I am fine with her decision as I guess I was too controversial for Marjorie since I was fighting for Trump to FIX 2020 and she was NOT,” Wood wrote on his Telegram account.

After this, Wood ramped up criticisms of Greene, frequently accusing the congresswoman of not doing enough to try and overturn the results of the 2020 election in Georgia, and calling her a “communist” or “communist sympathizer.”
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...1-10?r=US&IR=T

Stacyhs 19th October 2021 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kevbo (Post 13632748)
Donny sets the tone, and MJT has to help spin it to preserve the big lie. Using the word panicked in the article headline was definitely click-bait, but the story still stands on its own.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ers/ar-AAPFSkf

"I recently conducted a poll on Georgia's elections and if my constituents felt their votes would count during a teletown hall," she tweeted on Monday. "Sadly, 4% said they won't even vote due to voter fraud. This is WRONG. Legal votes by Rs are just as important as stopping illegal ones."

Except there aren't any illegal votes. At least not enough to make a difference. But hey, can't let a good grift go, you know. Keep those donations coming in.

This is one situation where I hope they listen to Donny, not her. Fewer votes from deplorables can't help but be a good thing. :)

Every stupid cloud has a silver lining!

Stacyhs 19th October 2021 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13632846)
And now she is in a major ****-show spat with Lin Wood. Two cats fighting in a bag, and that bag should be thrown in the river.



https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...1-10?r=US&IR=T

:popcorn1

bruto 19th October 2021 07:12 AM

I think it would be deliciously laughable if MTG loses her next election because her gullible audience simply swallows the allegation that she's a communist. Live by the dumb, die by the dumb.

Solitaire 19th October 2021 08:53 AM

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Marjorie Taylor Greene Appears To Contradict Trump by Cheryl Teh

Georgia lawmaker Marjorie Taylor Greene appeared this week to contradict
former President Donald Trump's stand that his supporters should not vote
in the 2022 midterm elections or the 2024 presidential elections unless the
GOP backs his election fraud claims.

"Voices online that are telling you not to vote are doing the Democrats' dirty
work. Stop listening to grifters telling you not to vote," Greene posted on
Twitter on October 18, advocating for Republicans to "get serious."

"We must root out the fraud, but we also have to VOTE," Green continued.
"If we don't vote, the Democrats win by default. It's time to audit the 2020
election, prosecute the fraud, end mass mail-in ballots, and FLOOD THE POLLS
in 2022."

Oh dear... A fight between grifters. This could get ugly.

Gord_in_Toronto 19th October 2021 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13633128)
I think it would be deliciously laughable if MTG loses her next election because her gullible audience simply swallows the allegation that she's a communist. Live by the dumb, die by the dumb.

Wait. She's just a plain ol' communist? I thought she was a nazicommunist or am I getting her mixed up with some other nut case?

shemp 19th October 2021 12:19 PM

This must be some definition of Communist with which I am not familiar.

Norman Alexander 19th October 2021 02:06 PM

It's only Lin Wood calling her a communist. He also calls the kid who throws his morning newspaper too far from the front porch a communist.

Gord_in_Toronto 19th October 2021 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13633595)
It's only Lin Wood calling her a communist. He also calls the kid who throws his morning newspaper too far from the front porch a communist.

They do that you know (newspaper kids, not communists). My front door security cam often shows my deliver guy making a two attempts to get it right at 6:20AM.

Silly Green Monkey 19th October 2021 06:54 PM

I used to love it when I could get the paper to flip end over end up the walk, that way I could get it to hit the front door.

kevbo 19th October 2021 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey (Post 13633878)
I used to love it when I could get the paper to flip end over end up the walk, that way I could get it to hit the front door.

So, it was you! ;)

carlitos 20th October 2021 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey (Post 13633878)
I used to love it when I could get the paper to flip end over end up the walk, that way I could get it to hit the front door.

Underhanded back-spin. I wanted it to be leaning up against the door if possible.

dudalb 20th October 2021 01:27 PM

I wondere how much of MTG Campagn funds will end up in a Swiss Bank Account?

Norman Alexander 20th October 2021 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13634660)
I wondere how much of MTG Campagn funds will end up in a Swiss Bank Account?

A better question is how much will not.

bruto 20th October 2021 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13634692)
A better question is how much will not.

Forget Swiss, she can do better in South Dakota.

Chris_Halkides 27th October 2021 03:59 AM

Greene on Bannon's podcast
 
""January 6 was just a riot at the Capitol and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants," Greene told Bannon." CNN Op-Ed

Norman Alexander 27th October 2021 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides (Post 13640294)
""January 6 was just a riot at the Capitol and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants," Greene told Bannon." CNN Op-Ed

I get the impression this type of argument worked when she was three years old and lied to her mom about stealing cookies even with the crumbs on her face. And she has been trying it ever since.

The Don 27th October 2021 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides (Post 13640294)
""January 6 was just a riot at the Capitol and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants," Greene told Bannon." CNN Op-Ed

I guess that argument has some kind of internal consistency, and the US does have "form" in that regard.

The US threw off the shackles of English oppression in the first place, the South attempted to ensure that their constitutionally assured states' rights were maintained when they tried to rid themselves of Yankee oppression.

At least that's the way it appears to the GOP. :confused:

Susheel 27th October 2021 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13640296)
I get the impression this type of argument worked when she was three years old and lied to her mom about stealing cookies even with the crumbs on her face. And she has been trying it ever since.

<usual suspects> Well her claim is perfectly valid. After all the libs celebrate the BLM riots. </usual suspects>

turingtest 27th October 2021 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides (Post 13640294)
""January 6 was just a riot at the Capitol and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants," Greene told Bannon." CNN Op-Ed

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13640296)
I get the impression this type of argument worked when she was three years old and lied to her mom about stealing cookies even with the crumbs on her face. And she has been trying it ever since.

It is kind of a childishly loose (and dangerous) use of the word "tyrant" to define nothing more than "people I voted against." The Jan 6 rioters weren't "overthrow[ing] tyrants," they were trying to overthrow a process that just had an outcome they didn't like. (Not to mention that the Declaration was written against a king and government that had, after all, been in place for a while at the time, and earned the sobriquet- it seems that the least the rioters could do before overthrowing a tyranny is to let it take office first and prove to be one)

dudalb 27th October 2021 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13632846)
And now she is in a major ****-show spat with Lin Wood. Two cats fighting in a bag, and that bag should be thrown in the river.



https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...1-10?r=US&IR=T

TO quote from a recent Godzilla movie:

LET THEM FIGHT!

dudalb 27th October 2021 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by turingtest (Post 13640698)
It is kind of a childishly loose (and dangerous) use of the word "tyrant" to define nothing more than "people I voted against." The Jan 6 rioters weren't "overthrow[ing] tyrants," they were trying to overthrow a process that just had an outcome they didn't like. (Not to mention that the Declaration was written against a king and government that had, after all, been in place for a while at the time, and earned the sobriquet- it seems that the least the rioters could do before overthrowing a tyranny is to let it take office first and prove to be one)

I also notice that people shouting about Tyrants are not really against Tyrants, they just want the job for themselves....

dudalb 27th October 2021 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides (Post 13640294)
""January 6 was just a riot at the Capitol and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants," Greene told Bannon." CNN Op-Ed

iMHO the GOP has unleashed forces that it cannot control,and in the end the Mob will turn on the GOP as well as the Dems. The Frankenstein monster always turns on it's creator in the end.

Horatius 27th October 2021 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13640310)
The US threw off the shackles of English oppression in the first place, the South attempted to ensure that their constitutionally assured states' rights were maintained when they tried to rid themselves of Yankee oppression.


This is one of those things that annoys me, because fundamentally, she's right. People do have a right to throw off a government that they feel has become tyrannical. Had Trump's coup succeeded, and he started tossed "libtards" in jail, I would support those people taking up arms to overthrow Trump's government.

The problem is, these wankers don't understand the corollary: When you decide it's time to start shooting at the government, the government is allowed to shoot back.

That's why you don't start civil wars over trivial ****. You only start them when you feel the cause is righteous enough that you're willing to risk death to achieve it. The level of whining we've seen from the Right wing idiots over the Jan 6th insurrection proves that they don't believe it's worth their lives, so that means they're just violent ********.

dudalb 27th October 2021 04:31 PM

Further proof that the GOP has created a monster they cannot control:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...oo/8570812002/

The writer of this is right:Trump and GOP own this guy, and trying to shift the blame will not work with other then true beleivers.

eerok 27th October 2021 08:01 PM

She's on another rampage.

Marjorie Taylor Greene: Build Back Better = boys into girls and segregation of children by race! (reddit.com)

Norman Alexander 27th October 2021 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by eerok (Post 13641148)

This is getting old. SHE is getting old.

bruto 27th October 2021 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13641163)
This is getting old. SHE is getting old.

Getting older and stupider and crazier....i.e. grooming herself for entry into the higher ranks of her party. She's on her way.

Norman Alexander 28th October 2021 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13641196)
Getting older and stupider and crazier....i.e. grooming herself for entry into the higher ranks of her party. She's on her way.

...to jail, more likely.

The Don 28th October 2021 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13641251)
...to jail, more likely.

:big:

I think one of the things demonstrated in the last few years is that senior figures in the GOP typically don't go to jail and those that do are quickly pardoned.

Matt Gaetz seems to be demonstrating that you can claim that any attempt to bring you to justice is politically motivated if it's within a couple of years of a primary - in effect making house members above the law.

Steve Bannon is currently showing how completely toothless congress is by simply refusing to participate in the Jan 6 investigation and ignoring all subpoenas - with apparently no meaningful penalty.

Donald Trump has demonstrated that the wheels of justice can be jammed by someone willing and able to drag out processes indefinitely.

Norman Alexander 28th October 2021 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13641255)
:big:

I think one of the things demonstrated in the last few years is that senior figures in the GOP typically don't go to jail and those that do are quickly pardoned.

Matt Gaetz seems to be demonstrating that you can claim that any attempt to bring you to justice is politically motivated if it's within a couple of years of a primary - in effect making house members above the law.

Steve Bannon is currently showing how completely toothless congress is by simply refusing to participate in the Jan 6 investigation and ignoring all subpoenas - with apparently no meaningful penalty.

Donald Trump has demonstrated that the wheels of justice can be jammed by someone willing and able to drag out processes indefinitely.

In the past, this was undoubtedly true. However as the noose tightens on those at the top, they will be more than willing to throw the willing dupes to the sharks in order to escape themselves. MTG is definitely not a Mensa type, and i expect she will be one of the many sacrifices the conspirators will be willing to make. Especially as she is also a loudmouth blabbering moron who could screw up everything completely by accident.

Also, I gather it takes time and considerable process to achieve a jail cell for contempt of Congress. So Bannon is trying to run out the clock. But he hasn't yet stopped the game so his ass is still deeply in jeopardy. Frankly, I expect him to find a reason soon to take a sudden and unexpected and lengthy vacation in some country that has no extradition treaty with the USA.

Stacyhs 28th October 2021 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13641029)
Further proof that the GOP has created a monster they cannot control:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...oo/8570812002/

The writer of this is right:Trump and GOP own this guy, and trying to shift the blame will not work with other then true beleivers.

I'm thinking that the GOP is going to start requiring all members have an IQ of =/<90 and/or have been diagnosed with at least one mental disorder that affects their ability to make rational decisions. Making it official won't affect their numbers very much but it would weed out the few who have flown under the radar concealing their >90 IQ's and stable mental health.

The Don 28th October 2021 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13641262)
In the past, this was undoubtedly true. However as the noose tightens on those at the top, they will be more than willing to throw the willing dupes to the sharks in order to escape themselves.

I'm not so sure the noose is tightening. :o

We've got reports in the liberal media that some GOP Representatives were involved in the planning of Jan 6. I'm sure that they will respond that they were planning a peaceful protest against the stealing of the election (which is now GOP orthodoxy) and that
  • The protest was peaceful
  • And if not, ANTIFA were responsible for the violence

I suspect that will allow plausible deniability. The House doesn't want a large number of their colleagues facing legal problems.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13641262)
MTG is definitely not a Mensa type, and i expect she will be one of the many sacrifices the conspirators will be willing to make. Especially as she is also a loudmouth blabbering moron who could screw up everything completely by accident.

She also reflects the current view of the majority of the GOP. It's the "others" who are the outliers now. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13641262)
Also, I gather it takes time and considerable process to achieve a jail cell for contempt of Congress. So Bannon is trying to run out the clock. But he hasn't yet stopped the game so his ass is still deeply in jeopardy. Frankly, I expect him to find a reason soon to take a sudden and unexpected and lengthy vacation in some country that has no extradition treaty with the USA.

I don't think he's in any actual danger.

smartcooky 28th October 2021 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13641029)
Further proof that the GOP has created a monster they cannot control:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...oo/8570812002/

The writer of this is right:Trump and GOP own this guy, and trying to shift the blame will not work with other then true beleivers.


If I were a Democrat living in America right now, my no.1 priority from here on in is to arm myself and my family to the teeth with powerful firearms, and take intensive training on how to use them too shoot to kill.


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