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Andy_Ross 10th November 2021 01:47 PM

Cox says
Quote:

"Sir Geoffrey's view is that it is up to the electors of Torridge and West Devon whether or not they vote for someone who is a senior and distinguished professional in his field and who still practises that profession.
That has been the consistent view of the local Conservative Association and although at every election his political opponents have sought to make a prominent issue of his professional practice, it has so far been the consistent view of the voters of Torridge and West Devon. Sir Geoffrey is very content to abide by their decision."
Leaving aside the fact that he's doing too much extra-curricular work to do his constituents justice, hewas working as a lawyer against the UK government in a case for the British Virgin Islands government, while a sitting MP on the UK government benches.

That's almost being a double-agent isn't it? Not to mention the fact that he was until quite recently an actual cabinet member in the government run by the same party. There is no way this can be defended.

If the voters of Torridge and West Devon don't vote him out they're fools.

Andy_Ross 10th November 2021 01:49 PM

Here's another one

A Conservative MP who is paid £200 an hour by the betting industry has used questions in parliament to warn ministers not to introduce tough new laws on gambling.

Laurence Robertson is paid £24,000 a year by the Betting and Gaming Council (BGC), an industry body that lobbies on behalf of bookmakers.

Over the past year, the MP for Tewkesbury, who is 63, has warned ministers that there is a “great danger” that stronger gambling laws could lead to more players using the black market and suggested that there is not enough evidence to warrant greater regulation of the industry. He denies any conflict of interest.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...orms-8rftm7hlz

Andy_Ross 10th November 2021 01:50 PM

Two other MPs paid by the gambling industry.

Philip Davies MP paid £16,660 advising Entain, which owns Ladbrokes.

Rob Butler MP paid £68,640 a year providing media training to lottery firm Camelot.

It's OK Mr Harding, the corruption czar, probably has it under scrutiny, his wife wife Dido is on the Board of the Jockey Club.

Andy_Ross 10th November 2021 01:57 PM

Boris Johnson has hit back at sleaze allegations, insisting the UK is not "remotely a corrupt country".

The prime minister said MPs faced "tough" scrutiny - and those who broke the rules should be punished.
He was speaking to the world's media at the COP26 climate summit in Glasgow.

Asked if he had a message to voters concerned by headlines about the return of Tory sleaze, Mr Johnson said: "I genuinely believe that the UK is not remotely a corrupt country and I genuinely think that our institutions are not corrupt.
"We have a very, very tough system of parliamentary democracy and scrutiny, not least by the media.
"I think what you have got is cases where, sadly, MPs have broken the rules in the past, may be guilty of breaking the rules today. What I want to see is them facing appropriate sanctions."

But he added that MPs had been allowed to do other jobs, such as lawyers and doctors, for "hundreds of years", and "on the whole" this had strengthened British democracy by giving them "some experience of the world".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59238464

Darat 10th November 2021 02:30 PM

Yeah earning 900,000 really helps gain them “experience of the world”!

Andy_Ross 10th November 2021 02:58 PM

If someone claiming universal credit earns a few quid it is deducted from their UC.
Should MPs have their extra money deducted from their salary?

Filippo Lippi 10th November 2021 10:00 PM

My new manifesto pledge is that politicians will be able to have a second job if it's one where you need to have a shower at the end of your shift

llwyd 11th November 2021 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi (Post 13652715)
My new manifesto pledge is that politicians will be able to have a second job if it's one where you need to have a shower at the end of your shift

Well, in the financial sector you probably would feel the need for immediate cleansing...

The Don 11th November 2021 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi (Post 13652715)
My new manifesto pledge is that politicians will be able to have a second job if it's one where you need to have a shower at the end of your shift

Oil or talc sir ?

The Don 11th November 2021 03:53 AM

Another embarrassing failure.

Quote:

Jamaica deportation flight leaves with just four people on board
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59243086

Quote:

A deportation flight from the UK to Jamaica left with just four people on board, the Home Office has said.

Several last-minute legal challenges meant 33 people did not board Wednesday morning's flight as planned.

Some of them were guilty of crimes such as murder and child sexual offences, Home Secretary Priti Patel said, adding it was "absolutely galling" they had been stopped from being deported.
Looks like the government simply didn't do the necessary background work to be sure that the deportations could go ahead if they were challenged so successfully.

Just the usual incompetence and corner-cutting from the UK Government. :(

Lothian 11th November 2021 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13652809)
Another embarrassing failure.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59243086



Looks like the government simply didn't do the necessary background work to be sure that the deportations could go ahead if they were challenged so successfully.

Just the usual incompetence and corner-cutting from the UK Government. :(

It is a success for brexit and sovereignty that the enemies of the people UK Court's rulings have been recognised and we no longer have to follow those terrible ECHR rules.

Filippo Lippi 11th November 2021 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by llwyd (Post 13652768)
Well, in the financial sector you probably would feel the need for immediate cleansing...

Me, yes, but They know no shame

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

Mojo 11th November 2021 07:30 AM

Boris couldn’t get back in time for the standards debate bacausd he was travelling back to London by train. If it had been dinner at the Garrick Club, of course…

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-attend-dinner

Wudang 12th November 2021 01:55 AM

The UK's best political commentator, Susie Dent on twitter.

"Word of the day is ‘stiffrump’ (18th century): an obstinate, disdainful individual who refuses to budge when action is needed."

P.J. Denyer 12th November 2021 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13652402)
Boris Johnson has hit back at sleaze allegations, insisting the UK is not "remotely a corrupt country".

It's his "I am not a crook" moment.

The Don 12th November 2021 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13653661)
It's his "I am not a crook" moment.

The trouble is that the world has changed considerably in the last 50 years and something which would have earned criticism across the board now is perfectly fine as long as it's done by your side. :mad:

Look at the way that the Conservative Party rallied round to change the rules to prevent Boris Johnson being subject to scrutiny. They would have got away with it were it not from criticism from the right wing press. That criticism will not be forthcoming when they successfully change the rules in a few weeks time and we're all distracted by something else.

Andy_Ross 12th November 2021 04:26 AM

Never mind the corruption, something is fundamentally broken when an MP can earn £6m on the side while supporting a £20 a week cut for some of the poorest in the country.

from the guardian
Geoffrey Cox accrued at least £6m from second job while a parliamentarian
Former Tory attorney general also skipped 12 Commons' votes on days when he was also engaged in paid legal work

A statement said: “As for the allegation that he breached the parliamentary code of conduct on one occasion, on 14 September 2021, by being in his office while participating in an online hearing in the public inquiry and voting in the House of Commons, he understands that the matter has been referred to the parliamentary commissioner and he will fully cooperate with her investigation. He does not believe that he breached the rules, but will of course accept the judgment of the parliamentary commissioner or of the committee on the matter.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...arliamentarian

Andy_Ross 12th November 2021 04:44 AM

MP who told footballer Marcus Rashford to stick to his day job and not challenge the govt on food poverty in fact has a second job of her own which pays £36,000 a year for 8 hours a week on top of her £81,932 MP’s salary.

Natalie Elphicke, the Conservative MP for Dover, sparked public outrage in July after she reprimanded the Manchester United player for missing a penalty in the Euro 2020 final, suggesting he should have stuck to his day job and spent less time trying to sway the Government over its position on free school meals.

In a private message to colleagues following England’s defeat, Ms Elphicke said: “They lost — would it be ungenerous to say Rashford should have spent more time perfecting his game and less time playing politics.”

However, the MP herself has spent substantial time away from her day job. The Conservative backbencher earns £36,000 on top of her £82,000 MP’s salary in her role as chair of the New Homes Quality Board (NHQB), an independent watchdog for new-build houses.

Darat 12th November 2021 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13653666)
The trouble is that the world has changed considerably in the last 50 years and something which would have earned criticism across the board now is perfectly fine as long as it's done by your side. :mad:

Look at the way that the Conservative Party rallied round to change the rules to prevent Boris Johnson being subject to scrutiny. They would have got away with it were it not from criticism from the right wing press. That criticism will not be forthcoming when they successfully change the rules in a few weeks time and we're all distracted by something else.

Yep - the answer now for a Tory to the accusation of "You are a crook" is "So what."

Andy_Ross 12th November 2021 11:30 AM

The luxury villa where Boris Johnson stayed on holiday last month is linked to Costa del Sol property businesses owned by Zac Goldsmith’s family that engaged in a multimillion-pound tax evasion scheme, according to Spanish courts.

Court papers obtained by the Guardian show tax inspectors ordered two property companies owned by the Goldsmith family to pay €24m (£20m) in unpaid taxes and fines after investigating what they said was a suspicious property deal.
The tax authority’s findings have been upheld by one of Spain’s highest courts, with judges agreeing the companies effectively engaged in a deliberate effort to evade tax and committed “serious” violations of the law.

Documents indicate Spanish authorities are still seeking to recover the funds and could even seize parts of the family’s land, which is spread across more than 600 hectares (1,480 acres) of private woodland about 10 miles from the Marbella coastline.

A Swiss lawyer for one of the companies denied the case amounted to a “tax evasion” issue, describing it as a dispute that resulted from a mistaken land valuation by Spanish tax authorities. She said the finding against her client was “extremely hard to understand, to put it mildly”. Court papers indicate there will be a further appeal.

However, the revelation raises difficult questions for the prime minister, who has already faced criticism for refusing to declare his use of the luxury property in the MPs’ register of interests, which would require him to disclose the monetary value of the gift from the Goldsmith family.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...of-tax-evasion

Andy_Ross 12th November 2021 03:02 PM

A former Welsh secretary took a £15,000-a-year job at a diagnostics company a few weeks before it was part of a consortium that secured a £75 million government contract for lateral flow tests.

Alun Cairns is the latest Conservative MP to be revealed as having worked as a paid adviser to a company that was awarded valuable government contracts during the pandemic.

Alongside parliamentary duties, he agreed to work up to 70 hours a year for the BBI Group as a senior adviser “providing strategic advice to the board”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e...ract-sprdbnksl

This could have gone in the Covid thread too.

Carrot Flower King 13th November 2021 04:49 AM

A son of James "Jammy Fishfingers" Goldsmith being involved in tax irregularities? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

Somewhere the ghosts of Richard Ingrams and Peter "Lord Gnome" Cook are cackling with laughter.

What's nearly as shocking is someone of the obvious probity of Bloviating Johnson playing fast and loose with rules. Shocked!

Andy_Ross 13th November 2021 10:53 AM

Two MPs have admitted using their Commons offices for non-parliamentary paid meetings.

Liberal Democrat Layla Moran and Conservative Crispin Blunt appeared via video link on a panel discussing political prisoners in Saudi Arabia.
The event last November was organised by law firm Bindmans LLP.
According to the register of financial interests for MPs, Ms Moran was paid £3,000 by the firm and Mr Blunt received £6,000.
Bindmans described the meeting as an "evidence session", which heard from human rights organisations and family members of detained Saudi Arabian activists.

Under House of Commons rules, MPs must not use the parliamentary facilities for non-parliamentary work.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59275207

Andy_Ross 13th November 2021 11:10 AM

The wildlife charity that employs Carrie Johnson is facing further questions over its finances, after its latest accounts show it paid more than £150,000 in “interior design services” to the chairman’s wife last year.

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A separate statutory inquiry was also announced into the management of Howlett’s Wild Animal Trust, which is also chaired by Aspinall, and whose trustees include Aspinall’s daughter Tansy.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-over-finances

Andy_Ross 13th November 2021 05:42 PM

Looks like Rees-Mogg is in trouble now, we can see why he wanted to scrap the standards comission etc.

He borrowed up to £2.9m a year in director’s loans from UK-based Saliston Ltd between 2018 and 2020
He did not mention them in his MP register of interests, where he declared himself an ‘unremunerated director’.

By using ‘director’s loans’, Rees-Mogg was able to borrow the £6m at a very low interest rate
The interest he paid amounted to 0.8% of the total borrowed over 3 years
HMRC rules say you have to charge minimum 2% interest on director's loans

He said today the loans were taxed
The MP code of conduct requires directors to declare ‘taxable benefits’

No wonder JRM was looking queasy in the Commons the other day.
I imagine this was playing on his mind.

Carrot Flower King 14th November 2021 05:46 AM

Oh, look - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cret-for-years - MPs, under a Tory government, changed the rules on recording details of second (third, fourth, etc) jobs so that us poor, unsophisticated voters don't have to bother our pretty little heads about any of it, and they so kindly did it without telling us, so we didn't tax our poor little brains over the full implications of this...

We are not worthy of such generosity from our - tugs forelock in the direction of Westminster - clear betters...

Carrot Flower King 14th November 2021 05:48 AM

In other news, Jennifer Arcuri continues to demonstrate how much of B Johnson's brain is actually in his cock...

Andy_Ross 14th November 2021 09:00 AM

DOUGLAS Ross has said he “doesn't know why” he didn’t declare more than £28,000 in salaries.

In an interview with Good Morning Scotland, the Scottish Tory leader blamed the undeclared cash on an “extremely bad” error which he said was his own fault.
He said he is now actively working with parliamentary authorities and that he is “extremely sorry”.

The undeclared money was revealed in a Herald investigation in which the MSP and MP failed to declare 16 football matches totalling £7000 where he worked as a referee.
The Herald also reported the Moray MP failed to declare his salary as a Holyrood MSP, worth around £21,000 a year.

Ross said: “Yeah, it was a bad error on my behalf. I've obviously done it throughout the time of being an MP a bit.
"There's a period at the end of last year. I've tried to work out why I missed 16 games. I don't know why I did that.
"I noticed myself last week and I got in touch with the parliamentary authorities. I worked with him to get the register up to date.
"But you know, I am extremely sorry, this was a bad error. It was all of my own making, and I've tried to rectify it as soon as it came to light.”

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19...eclare-28-000/

I changed my bedding this morning, there was nearly £30.000 in the Duvet cover
I'm so careless sometimes.

Andy_Ross 14th November 2021 09:01 AM

remember when he held a no confidence motion and wanted Nicola to resign because she couldn't remember a date?

I wonder if he remembered to tell the tax man about all the forgotten cash.

Darat 14th November 2021 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13655011)
Oh, look - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cret-for-years - MPs, under a Tory government, changed the rules on recording details of second (third, fourth, etc) jobs so that us poor, unsophisticated voters don't have to bother our pretty little heads about any of it, and they so kindly did it without telling us, so we didn't tax our poor little brains over the full implications of this...

We are not worthy of such generosity from our - tugs forelock in the direction of Westminster - clear betters...

Bit useless, as it appears many of them spend no time there!

Carrot Flower King 14th November 2021 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13655128)
Bit useless, as it appears many of them spend no time there!

Yeahbut, some of them were definitely there to vote that rule change through...Or did they just get lost on the way to Coutts or similar on the City?

Andy_Ross 15th November 2021 11:35 AM

HS2 rail extension to Leeds set to be scrapped

The government is set to scrap the eastern leg of HS2 between the Midlands and Leeds, sources have told the BBC.
The Transport Department will instead announce a new rail plan on Thursday, involving £96bn of funding for new routes in the North and Midlands.

Sources said the impact of scrapping the Leeds leg of HS2 would make journeys longer by 20 minutes.
But the government is set to argue the new plans will deliver comparable benefits more quickly and cheaply.
A source told BBC political correspondent Nick Eardley they would show an "enormous amount of common sense"

The Northern Powerhouse Partnership, a group of northern local authorities and business leaders, said the decision to scrap the Leeds leg of HS2 was a mistake.
Director Henri Murison said: "The reported loss of any of the new line on the eastern leg of HS2 is damaging, reducing the benefits of the section being built now between Birmingham and London.
"Without the benefits to areas such as Yorkshire and the North East, HS2's status as a project to drive the whole of the UK is undermined considerably."

A proposed Northern Powerhouse route from Leeds to Manchester is now expected to be made up of some new line, but it will mostly consist of upgrades to the existing track.
The new track on the route will not allow high-speed rail travel.
The route is not expected to go via Bradford, a key request of many in the city and surrounding area.

Of the £96bn set aside for the new 'Integrated Rail Plan' only £40bn will be new money

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59292120

Darat 15th November 2021 12:19 PM

Levelling up at its finest. Must have realised none of his mates have estates in Yorkshire land so why improve the access.

Darat 15th November 2021 12:22 PM

If a government really did want to see a levelling up of the country they would locate each ministry in a different city, leave the foreign office in London, home office goes to Birmingham, house of common relocated to Leeds, Health to Manchester and so on.

Andy_Ross 15th November 2021 02:08 PM

well, at least we know that no Tory MP had a job as a consultant for the eastern leg of HS2

Andy_Ross 15th November 2021 04:55 PM

Boris Johnson is facing growing controversy over a proposed new law that will hand Michael Gove the power to set the remit of the hitherto independent watchdog that oversees elections and party finances, including donations.

Under the elections bill, now passing through parliament, the Cabinet Office minister, Gove, would be given power to set the entire remit of the commission, as part of a series of changes that ministers say will strengthen democracy. But opposition parties, and some senior Conservatives, say the bill will be seen as another attempt to dismantle checks and balances in the system, and rig the political process in favour of the Tories.

Some pro-Brexit Tories have criticised the commission for over-reaching itself, particularly with its investigations into key figures in the Vote Leave campaign. Gove is known to have been one of those keen to rein in its work.

Critics of the bill say it bestows unprecedented and unchecked power on government over elections in two ways; first, by empowering ministers to set both the agenda and purview of the commission, and second, by enabling the minister for the Cabinet Office to change which organisations and campaign activities are permitted a year before any election in the UK. They say ministers will be able at a stroke to ban whole sections of civil society, including unions and charities, from engaging in elections by campaigning or donating.

The Cabinet Office says the bill is a “necessary and a proportionate approach to reforming the Electoral Commission while respecting its independence”.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ction-watchdog

The Don 16th November 2021 03:21 AM

A longish BBC article about the challenges the NHS is facing:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59249409

Over the last 70 years, government spending on healthcare has, on average, been at 3.8% above inflation.

The 1997-2010 Labour government increased it by 6% above inflation on average.

Since 2010 it has increased at around 1% above inflation (I'm not sure if the tens of billions spent on Covid is included in this figure).

Andy_Ross 16th November 2021 04:14 AM

Two women, including a Conservative MP, have accused the prime minister's father, Stanley Johnson, of touching them inappropriately.

Caroline Nokes told Sky News that Mr Johnson had smacked her "on the backside about as hard as he could" at the Tory Party conference in 2003.
And political correspondent Ailbhe Rea has accused Mr Johnson of groping her at the 2019 Conservative conference.

Mr Johnson told Sky he had "no recollection" of Ms Nokes.
When approached about his alleged behaviour, Mr Johnson said: "I have no recollection of Caroline Nokes at all - but there you go. And no reply... Hey ho, good luck and thanks."

After these comments, Ms Rea tweeted: "Stanley Johnson also groped me at a party at Conservative conference in 2019.
"I am grateful to Caroline Nokes for calling out something that none of us should have to put up with, not least from the Prime Minister's father."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59303410

Andy_Ross 16th November 2021 04:17 AM

The government's attempt to reverse changes to the system for monitoring Parliament's standards has been blocked by a Conservative MP.

The Commons was expected to pass a motion on Monday night to formally scrap plans to overhaul the process.
Ministers have already abandoned the controversial proposal, after an outcry from opposition and some Tory MPs.
But an objection by Christopher Chope meant a motion to confirm the U-turn could not be approved.
The motion was put to a vote late on Monday, without being debated. The government will bring it back for a vote and one-hour debate on Tuesday.
Backbench MP Mr Chope shouted "object" in the Commons chamber, meaning it could not be put to a vote under Commons rules.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59301710

Worm 16th November 2021 04:55 AM

I saw that - he's basically a serial objecter, he pretty much objects to any motions that look like being passed without debate in the house.

This really means that the government can't just sweep the U-turn under the carpet with a no-debate exercise, they have to have it discusssed in the house.

Carrot Flower King 16th November 2021 06:58 AM

Some of the complaints about Chope forcing a debate are quite revealing in their sources and also the nature of the comments about him - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...in-the-commons.

He's clearly rattled quite a lot of his party "colleagues", making one wonder what who has to hide...The comment about de-selection in that piece is also revealing of the thought processes involved.

Which brings me back to a point a couple of us have made about MPs: if they are not to do what it is claimed they do - debating potential legislation, scrutinising bills, holding the executive to account, representing constituents' interests - but are just there to be lobby fodder, trooping through as the whips instruct them to, why do they need to be paid so much and do we even need them?

While I don't always agree with Chope, he is pretty consistent in this sort of action and is trying to make Parliament function something like as it should.

I hope that, as part of the debate, someone from the Labour benches manages to ask about all the untruths various Tories have been telling about the investigation into Paterson and the whole investigatory process and why te party hasn't corrected these obvious untruths.

Andy_Ross 16th November 2021 03:33 PM

"Paid lobbying is wrong and members found guilty of it should pay the appropriate penalties,” says Rees-Mogg, who just two weeks ago ordered all Conservative MPs to vote to stop someone guilty of paid lobbying from paying the appropriate penalties.

Andy_Ross 16th November 2021 04:13 PM

Boris Johnson tweeted

@BorisJohnson
United Kingdom government official

I have written to the Commons Speaker to propose:

1) The Code of Conduct for MPs is updated
2) MPs who are prioritising outside interests over their constituents are investigated and appropriately punished
3) MPs are banned from acting as paid political consultants or lobbyists

Andy_Ross 16th November 2021 04:13 PM

Caroline Lucas (Green MP for Brighton) tweeted

@CarolineLucas
Odd we haven’t had a 3 point plan from @BorisJohnson banning MPs from
1. Accepting luxury holidays in Mustique
2. Accepting loans for a flat make-over
3. Giving someone a peerage and govt job and subsequently accepting a free stay in a £25k a week luxury villa

Andy_Ross 16th November 2021 04:14 PM

And selling House of Lords seat for £3 million?
That's already illegal. But apparently not enforced.

Lothian 17th November 2021 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13657089)
Boris Johnson tweeted

@BorisJohnson
United Kingdom government official

I have written to the Commons Speaker to propose:

1) The Code of Conduct for MPs is updated
2) MPs who are prioritising outside interests over their constituents are investigated and appropriately punished
3) MPs are banned from acting as paid political consultants or lobbyists

All the MPs with 2nd jobs would argue that they still put their constituents first and they don't lobby on behalf of firms who pay them. They only lobby for their own interests which may coincide with the firm they work for but that is irrelevant. They have a real long held personal interest is delaying the elimination of one time use plastics, or whatever.

All MPs with 2nd jobs need to do is remove political consultant from the job description. Non executive director, there you go. Keep calm and carry on.

The Don 17th November 2021 02:16 AM

UK inflation is at a 10-year high.

The good news just keeps on coming for Boris Johnson and his government :rolleyes:

Quote:

The cost of living surged by 4.2% in October - the highest rate in almost 10 years - due to rising fuel and energy costs, according to new data.

The consumer price index measure of inflation is now more than double the Bank of England's target.

The costs of transport, gas and electricity bills and second hand cars all climbed, the Office for National Statistics said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59316544

Andy_Ross 17th November 2021 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13657410)
All the MPs with 2nd jobs would argue that they still put their constituents first and they don't lobby on behalf of firms who pay them. They only lobby for their own interests which may coincide with the firm they work for but that is irrelevant. They have a real long held personal interest is delaying the elimination of one time use plastics, or whatever.

All MPs with 2nd jobs need to do is remove political consultant from the job description. Non executive director, there you go. Keep calm and carry on.

If they put their constituents first, shouldn't the people paying them tens of thousands of pounds a year be concerned that they are not getting priority?

The Don 17th November 2021 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13657453)
If they put their constituents first, shouldn't the people paying them tens of thousands of pounds a year be concerned that they are not getting priority?

I find it amusing that one of the main arguments in favour of allowing MPs to have second jobs is that unless we allow it, only the very rich could afford to be MPs. I think that there are a lot of ordinary working people out there would be perfectly happy with the MPs' salary and expenses package. There is a middle ground of well paid professionals for whom an MP's salary represents a cut in income and who lack the independent financial resources to fund their lifestyles but it's really hard to feel sorry for people who find close to £100k a year financially constricting.

Another argument is that external gigs allow MPs to get more life experience. I'm not sure how continuing to be a hedge fund manager or a highly paid QC benefits an MPs constituents. I'd argue that a better way to ensure MPs have relevant life experience is to cast the net wider in the MP selection process.

Sadly it's just the usual greed and cronyism and although the other parties are not entirely free of it, the modern day Conservative Party is unusually brazen in its sleaze.

Worm 17th November 2021 03:28 AM

There are a few MPs who are still GPs etc., so could argue that they bring experience (and need to maintain professional registration and skills) - but as you say, overall I find it very hard to find sympathy for anyone who thinks a salary around £90k/year is in any way restrictive. If tightening or clarifying the rules means that a few less Eton boys think politics is a gravy train, then so much the better.


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