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Ethan Thane Athen 21st January 2022 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13708282)
Inflationary pressures continue...



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60067334

Yesterday I bought a 2 litre bottle of own-label fiery ginger beer from Tesco. For years it's been 50p, yesterday it was 60p - that's a 20% price increase.

Make your own? Home made ginger beer is lush and pretty easy - plus you get the traditional British fun of the bottles exploding in your airing cupboard! 😁

The Don 21st January 2022 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BillC (Post 13709019)
This Twitter thread from Jack Monroe ("The Bootstrap Cook") is as depressing as hell:

Very enlightening (and, as you say, depressing), thank you.

jimbob 21st January 2022 02:45 AM

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-20/...ty-in-may-2020

Quote:

The warning email - sent by a senior official - told Mr Johnson's principal private secretary Martin Reynolds, the party "should be cancelled because it broke the rules", according to Peston.

Quote:

The official has told Peston he also "probably" personally warned the PM against the party "but I honestly can’t remember".




The Don 21st January 2022 03:05 AM

I'd have thought that he'd remember personally warning Boris Johnson against the party - unless it was such a common occurrence that he couldn't remember whether he had warned Boris Johnson on that specific occasion (as opposed to the tens of other times he warned Boris Johnson against parties).

Lothian 21st January 2022 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13709056)

Come on. That is so weak and will not hold up. At that time Boris was writing his new book and minor things like running the country and other Prime Ministerial duties were being done by minions.

Andy_Ross 21st January 2022 03:48 AM

Trains told to get rid of torrent of 'Tannoy spam'

The DfT said it would be working closely with the Rail Delivery Group and passenger groups such as Transport Focus, as well as train operators, to identify how the "vast number" of announcements could be cut or reduced.

"The review will take place over the course of this year, with redundant messages identified and starting to be removed in the coming months," it added.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60069429

Because that's the thing people are worrying about at the moment.

jimbob 21st January 2022 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13709088)
Come on. That is so weak and will not hold up. At that time Boris was writing his new book and minor things like running the country and other Prime Ministerial duties were being done by minions.

He wrote a book on Churchill - review here:

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture...oris-churchill

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“One man who made history” by another who seems just to make it up: Boris on Churchill
Reading Johnson’s The Churchill Factor is like “being harangued for hours by Bertie Wooster” writes Richard J Evans in his withering review from 2015
(I think they mean November 2014 looking at the URL)

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In a book that involves a good deal of modern European history, Boris the Eurosceptic clearly doesn’t find it necessary to master the details. Croatia, he tells us casually, was ruled by “some Ustasha creep or other” in the interwar years (it was not), while in the same period there was a plague of “communist uprisings in eastern Europe” (there was not). The Cecilienhof Palace in Potsdam, he writes in his offhand way, was “originally intended for some minor offshoot of the Hohenzollern dynasty” (it was not – it was built for the crown prince, heir to the German throne). He thinks that German industrial relations before 1914 were characterised by “co-operation between bosses and workers” (they were not). Hitler did not plan to kill the disabled, as he claims: most of the disabled in Germany in the 1930s were war veterans. The Germans did not capture Stalingrad, though this book claims they did.
There seem to be a small group of Stalingrad deniers who think that the Germans did capture Stalingrad - not just most of it and in a way that they were unable to exploit and indeed were destroyed.

Andy_Ross 21st January 2022 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13709126)
He wrote a book on Churchill - review here:

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture...oris-churchill

(I think they mean November 2014 looking at the URL)



There seem to be a small group of Stalingrad deniers who think that the Germans did capture Stalingrad - not just most of it and in a way that they were unable to exploit and indeed were destroyed.

Here is a link to the most thorough treatment of Stalingrad I have seen.

It starts from 21st of July 1942 to the 2nd of February 1943 and covers the fighting on the Don leading up to the actual seige of the city.

31 videos so far taking it up to the 23rd of October 1942. They are all around 40 to 50 minutes long so around 22 hours so far.
Lots more to come

they are very good, his straight history vids are all good, his economics videos not so much.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...UtBP2pxYdCYiXX

jimbob 21st January 2022 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13709663)
Here is a link to the most thorough treatment of Stalingrad I have seen.

It starts from 21st of July 1942 to the 2nd of February 1943 and covers the fighting on the Don leading up to the actual seige of the city.

31 videos so far taking it up to the 23rd of October 1942. They are all around 40 to 50 minutes long so around 22 hours so far.
Lots more to come

they are very good, his straight history vids are all good, his economics videos not so much.


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...UtBP2pxYdCYiXX

I knew who you meant with that phrase.

I saw something of his on logistics that went off on one, due to Austrian school interpretation of logistics

catsmate 21st January 2022 02:19 PM

[quote=jimbob;13709766]I knew who you meant with that phrase.

I saw something of his on logistics that went off on one, due to Austrian school interpretation of logistics[/QUOTE]
I hesitate to ask...

Andy_Ross 21st January 2022 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13709766)
I knew who you meant with that phrase.

I saw something of his on logistics that went off on one, due to Austrian school interpretation of logistics

Yes, he put forward the idea that logistics problems could be solved by making the various front line units buy their ammunition from self employed drivers who would buy the needed supplies and use their own transport to get it to the purchaser.
His idea was that those in most need would offer a higher price for the supplies so they would go to where they were most needed.

Andy_Ross 21st January 2022 03:34 PM

Christopher HopeMemo
@christopherhope
EXCLUSIVE Scotland Yard will meet with a leading Conservative MP to discuss claims of threats and blackmail of rebel Tory backbenchers by Government whips, The @Telegraph can disclose.
A detective from the Metropolitan Police will meet with William Wragg early next week. 1/2

It's a major escalation in the battle between the Government's whips and a minority of increasingly angry Conservative backbenchers, frustrated with Boris Johnson's leadership.
Any Met investigation could become a major distraction to the Government. Full story shortly 2/2

William Wragg told me: "I stand by what I have said. No amount of gas-lighting will change that.
"The offer of Number 10 to investigate is kind but I shall leave it to the experts.
"I am meeting the Police early next week."

One source in the Government's whips' office told The Daily Telegraph that the claims of threats and blackmail were "complete b***", and said to ask the rebels for "for a single shred of evidence".

Downing Street signalled that the Government would not seek out evidence following the allegations of blackmail by whips.
A spokesman for the Prime Minister said "we would look at it very carefully" if evidence was presented to them.

catsmate 21st January 2022 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13709838)
Yes, he put forward the idea that logistics problems could be solved by making the various front line units buy their ammunition from self employed drivers who would buy the needed supplies and use their own transport to get it to the purchaser.
His idea was that those in most need would offer a higher price for the supplies so they would go to where they were most needed.

:eye-poppi:confused::boggled::covereyes:boggled::jaw-dropp

Libertarianism really is a mental disease.

Andy_Ross 21st January 2022 05:24 PM

Tobias Ellwood chairman of the defence select committee proposes military takeover of No 10.

Bringing in a senior officer to take charge of day-to-day running of Downing Street would provide the public with a 'sense of assurance'.

a minister suggesting bringing in the military to sort out number 10 rather than sacking the lying, law-breaking Prime Minister and another one made a speech about getting rid of announcements on trains.

The Tories have lost the plot.

MarkCorrigan 21st January 2022 07:34 PM

That's a touch concerning.

"Let's have a military coup, nothing ever goes wrong with those" isn't something I expected even from this bunch of whacked out loonies.

The Don 22nd January 2022 12:04 AM

Well tbh "get the army in" is the go to answer when the government has messed up everything else.

Not enough drivers - get the army in
No fuel - get the army in
Floods - get the army in

And so on...

Stee 22nd January 2022 02:16 AM

Pesky peasants demanding answers over my booze fuelled work life - get the army in!

Vixen 22nd January 2022 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13709126)
He wrote a book on Churchill - review here:

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture...oris-churchill

(I think they mean November 2014 looking at the URL)



There seem to be a small group of Stalingrad deniers who think that the Germans did capture Stalingrad - not just most of it and in a way that they were unable to exploit and indeed were destroyed.


We know why Boris Johnson sees himself as Churchill.

DOMINIC (for it is he): Sir, you are drunk!

JOHNSON: And you are ugly. But I shall be sober in the morning.

Darat 22nd January 2022 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13709930)
Tobias Ellwood chairman of the defence select committee proposes military takeover of No 10.

Bringing in a senior officer to take charge of day-to-day running of Downing Street would provide the public with a 'sense of assurance'.

a minister suggesting bringing in the military to sort out number 10 rather than sacking the lying, law-breaking Prime Minister and another one made a speech about getting rid of announcements on trains.

The Tories have lost the plot.

Evidence?

To have lost the plot they would have had to have the plot in the first place! :D

P.J. Denyer 22nd January 2022 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13709838)
Yes, he put forward the idea that logistics problems could be solved by making the various front line units buy their ammunition from self employed drivers who would buy the needed supplies and use their own transport to get it to the purchaser.
His idea was that those in most need would offer a higher price for the supplies so they would go to where they were most needed.

I hope Sajid Javid doesn't read this....

jimbob 22nd January 2022 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13709838)
Yes, he put forward the idea that logistics problems could be solved by making the various front line units buy their ammunition from self employed drivers who would buy the needed supplies and use their own transport to get it to the purchaser.
His idea was that those in most need would offer a higher price for the supplies so they would go to where they were most needed.

That was the one.

It actually made me wonder at his analyses elsewhere too.

It falls over at so many levels.

Mojo 22nd January 2022 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13709838)
Yes, he put forward the idea that logistics problems could be solved by making the various front line units buy their ammunition from self employed drivers who would buy the needed supplies and use their own transport to get it to the purchaser.
His idea was that those in most need would offer a higher price for the supplies so they would go to where they were most needed.


Was Milo Minderbinder involved?

Mojo 22nd January 2022 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13710228)
I hope Sajid Javid doesn't read this....


YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE

Andy_Ross 22nd January 2022 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13710525)
That was the one.

It actually made me wonder at his analyses elsewhere too.

It falls over at so many levels.

His straight ww2 history is good. His series on Stalingrad, Operations Battleaxe and Crusader, the Courland Pocket and Market Garden are very thorough.

Andy_Ross 22nd January 2022 02:10 PM

Nusrat Ghani: I was sacked as a minister ‘because I was a Muslim’

A Conservative MP has accused a party whip of telling her she was fired from her ministerial job because her Muslim faith was “making colleagues uncomfortable”.

Nusrat Ghani, 49, was sacked as a transport minister in a mini-reshuffle in February 2020. She claimed she was told by a whip that her “Muslimness was raised as an issue” at a meeting in Downing Street and that her “Muslim woman minister status was making colleagues feel uncomfortable”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...slim-p38lmvlvg

Andy_Ross 22nd January 2022 03:41 PM

Govt source says the accusation made by Nus Ghani that she was told by a whip that she was sacked as a minister because she was a Muslim is "categorically untrue"

A spokesperson on behalf of the Whips Office said:
“These claims are categorically untrue. Ministerial roles are appointed on merit and rewards for hard work. The Conservative Party does not tolerate any form of racism or discrimination.”

Andy_Ross 22nd January 2022 05:13 PM

Gavin Williamson said he’d withdraw school money if MP didn’t vote against feeding kids
Tory minister sacked for “Muslimness”
Chief whip tweets & deletes admission
Sue Gray has damning evidence
Tory MPs want Met to look into parties

And that’s just today

P.J. Denyer 22nd January 2022 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13710629)
YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE

I'm old enough to remember when Bird & Fortune were parody rather than commentary.

zooterkin 22nd January 2022 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13710714)
Govt source says the accusation made by Nus Ghani that she was told by a whip that she was sacked as a minister because she was a Muslim is "categorically untrue"

A spokesperson on behalf of the Whips Office said:
“These claims are categorically untrue. Ministerial roles are appointed on merit and rewards for hard work. The Conservative Party does not tolerate any form of racism or discrimination.”

Well, a quick look at the Cabinet shows that to be clearly untrue.

Lothian 23rd January 2022 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13710887)
Well, a quick look at the Cabinet shows that to be clearly untrue.

It is hard work promoting, supporting and defending the Tories, especially if you have a conscience.

jimbob 23rd January 2022 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13710648)
Nusrat Ghani: I was sacked as a minister ‘because I was a Muslim’

A Conservative MP has accused a party whip of telling her she was fired from her ministerial job because her Muslim faith was “making colleagues uncomfortable”.

Nusrat Ghani, 49, was sacked as a transport minister in a mini-reshuffle in February 2020. She claimed she was told by a whip that her “Muslimness was raised as an issue” at a meeting in Downing Street and that her “Muslim woman minister status was making colleagues feel uncomfortable”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...slim-p38lmvlvg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13710714)
Govt source says the accusation made by Nus Ghani that she was told by a whip that she was sacked as a minister because she was a Muslim is "categorically untrue"

A spokesperson on behalf of the Whips Office said:
“These claims are categorically untrue. Ministerial roles are appointed on merit and rewards for hard work. The Conservative Party does not tolerate any form of racism or discrimination.”


Meanwhile in a beautiful deleted tweet thread.

https://www.politwoops.co.uk/p/conse...ampaign=repost

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To ensure other Whips are not drawn into this matter, I am identifying myself as the person Nusrat Ghani MP has made claims about this evening. ‘These accusations are completely false and I consider them to be defamatory. I have never used those words attributed to me.
ETA

He reinstated the thread after he realised that the media had spotted the implications of his admission

https://twitter.com/Mark_Spencer/sta...141806081?s=20

Lothian 23rd January 2022 03:41 AM

If he never used the words and the accusations are completely false, why does he think it is him and not another whip?

jimbob 23rd January 2022 04:00 AM

I know, to make it even better, a later tweet that he deleted then reinstated said.

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It is disappointing that when this issue was raised before Ms Ghani declined to refer the matter to the Conservative Party for a formal investigation.
I provided evidence to the Singh Investigation into Islamophobia which concluded that there was no credible basis for the claims
So we know that she didn't accuse him in any internal investigation

Lothian 23rd January 2022 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13710945)
I know, to make it even better, a later tweet that he deleted then reinstated said.



So we know that she didn't accuse him in any internal investigation

Ministerial sackings are not down to whips. That is the prime minister's job. If he doesn't take a dive for Boris he could lose school funding in his constituency.

P.J. Denyer 23rd January 2022 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13710931)
It is hard work promoting, supporting and defending the Tories, especially if you have a conscience.

I don't think that's been tested by anyone in the Cabinet.

P.J. Denyer 23rd January 2022 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13710950)
Ministerial sackings are not down to whips. That is the prime minister's job. If he doesn't take a dive for Boris he could lose school funding in his constituency.

And so far as I'm aware Johnson hasn't yet sacked anyone for breaking the rules, where people have gone it has been through resignation (more often than not the resignation of the person who investigated the rule breaking when their findings were ignored).

Darat 23rd January 2022 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13710941)
If he never used the words and the accusations are completely false, why does he think it is him and not another whip?

Did you miss the primer class on "politicians and weasel words".

He only said he didn't use those words i.e. "Muslimness was raised as an issue” and “Muslim woman minister status was making colleagues feel uncomfortable”.

He could have used any other words to say the same thing and he is "technically" telling the truth and as we know technically telling the truth is all that matters.

Lothian 23rd January 2022 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13710959)
Did you miss the primer class on "politicians and weasel words".

He only said he didn't use those words i.e. "Muslimness was raised as an issue” and “Muslim woman minister status was making colleagues feel uncomfortable”.

He could have used any other words to say the same thing and he is "technically" telling the truth and as we know technically telling the truth is all that matters.

He probably said. "Big dog is concerned you are going to turn up looking like a letterbox"

jimbob 23rd January 2022 04:34 AM

There was that too Darat, the second thing that sprang to mind.

Some beautiful replies to people screenshoting it.

https://twitter.com/PSincock/status/...111386624?s=20

Quote:

Replying to
@Peston
Don’t tell them your name Pike

https://twitter.com/ecomousey/status...971537923?s=20
Quote:

Beth
@ecomousey
·
12h
Replying to
@blinddrew
and
@Peston
Reminds me of once asking my reception class if anyone knew why a particular child was crying.
'I didn't hit her' came the indignant reply from 1 little lad.

P.J. Denyer 23rd January 2022 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13710960)
He probably said. "Big dog is concerned you are going to turn up looking like a letterbox"


I wonder if he's had the 'tank top' conversation with Gove yet?

jimbob 23rd January 2022 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13710967)
I wonder if he's had the 'tank top' conversation with Gove yet?

Good point, Gove must detest him. For multiple reasons.

Andy_Ross 23rd January 2022 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13710931)
It is hard work promoting, supporting and defending the Tories, especially if you have a conscience.

Well, there's your problem!

Stee 23rd January 2022 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13710964)
There was that too Darat, the second thing that sprang to mind.

Some beautiful replies to people screenshoting it.

https://twitter.com/PSincock/status/...111386624?s=20




https://twitter.com/ecomousey/status...971537923?s=20

We didn’t burn him! (Bonus points for knowing where that’s from…)

That he’s felt the need to weigh in seems to suggest he may have said something he now regrets.

GlennB 23rd January 2022 05:30 AM

"Dominic Raab refuses to confirm full publication of Sue Gray partygate report

Deputy PM says it is for Boris Johnson to decide how much detail is released to the public"

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't ?

Mojo 23rd January 2022 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13710964)
There was that too Darat, the second thing that sprang to mind.

Some beautiful replies to people screenshoting it.

https://twitter.com/PSincock/status/...111386624?s=20

https://twitter.com/ecomousey/status...971537923?s=20


https://loweringthebar.net/case-law-...-united-states

jimbob 23rd January 2022 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13710984)
"Dominic Raab refuses to confirm full publication of Sue Gray partygate report

Deputy PM says it is for Boris Johnson to decide how much detail is released to the public"

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't ?

To be fair to Raab, by the time it's due out, we'll probably discover another 50 parties that she should include in her report.

Andy_Ross 23rd January 2022 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stee (Post 13710983)
We didn’t burn him! (Bonus points for knowing where that’s from…)

League of Gentlemen.

Andy_Ross 23rd January 2022 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13710984)
"Dominic Raab refuses to confirm full publication of Sue Gray partygate report

Deputy PM says it is for Boris Johnson to decide how much detail is released to the public"

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't ?

Well, he never released the Russia report so why are we expecting him to release this one?

GlennB 23rd January 2022 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13711011)
Well, he never released the Russia report so why are we expecting him to release this one?

Whatever route he takes there will be uproar. Is there even such a thing as a 'best' way for Johnson to handle this? And here I'm referring to reality, rather than the fevered imaginings that go on in his skull.

Mojo 23rd January 2022 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13711085)
Whatever route he takes there will be uproar. Is there even such a thing as a 'best' way for Johnson to handle this? And here I'm referring to reality, rather than the fevered imaginings that go on in his skull.


In the event of a discrepancy between the two, Boris will always go with the latter.


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