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Cont: Criminal Charges/convictions Against Trump / Trump Indicted / Hush Money Part IV

newyorkguy said:
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson has joined with those Republicans demanding SCOTUS 'step in' and...what? Void trump's convictions? Is that even possible? Mike Johnson seems to think it's very possible, as he explained on Fox News yesterday:


Meanwhile trump posted:



The nightmare just goes on and on and... :(
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These people realize that Trump's going to get like a fine, right? And maybe not be allowed to do business in New York again? And that's about it. It's not going to interfere with the convention at all.

Does anyone here genuinely believe that Trump is headed for actual jail time?
 
i don’t believe it but his post trial actions are making jail time more and more plausible
 
Checkmite said:
These people realize that Trump's going to get like a fine, right? And maybe not be allowed to do business in New York again? And that's about it. It's not going to interfere with the convention at all.

Does anyone here genuinely believe that Trump is headed for actual jail time?
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I certainly don't.

Furthermore, payment of any fine will be delayed by years through a combination of appeals and simply not paying and not a penny will come out of President Trump's pocket. Instead it'll be MAGA cult members and/or corporate or foreign sponsors who foot the bill.

President Trump himself will not be inconvenienced at all. :mad:
 
Checkmite said:
These people realize that Trump's going to get like a fine, right? And maybe not be allowed to do business in New York again? And that's about it. It's not going to interfere with the convention at all.

Does anyone here genuinely believe that Trump is headed for actual jail time?
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dirtywick said:
i don’t believe it but his post trial actions are making jail time more and more plausible
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I have no idea what's going to happen. Ordinarily a first time offender is not likely to get jail time for a class E felony. But dirtywick is right. Trump is pushing his luck. He has been found in contempt 10 times. He doesn’t demonstrate the slightest bit of remorse.

His constant refrain that this is unfair and is rigged does not help him with the judge. I'm expecting a prison sentence that might get suspended. As well as a fine.
 
JayUtah said:
This is not an improper request at all. Many protective orders are considered moot after the trial ends. However, since violence against the jurors is still a real threat, it would not be inappropriate to continue some parts of the order that protect their identities.
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In perpetuity. Trump is renown for taking vengeance against perceived enemies sooner or later. He is that kind of nice person. :rolleyes:
 
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson said on a Fox News program:
Speaking on Fox [Johnson] suggested that the legal system was biased against Mr. Trump...
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trump has been impeached twice, he's been the target of NY State civil action and a criminal proceeding. As a result of the civil action he has a judgement against him in the hundreds of millions of dollars. In the criminal trial he was found guilty of all 34 counts. He faces criminal actions in Washington DC, in Florida and in Georgia. Johnson and others are correct, no US president has ever faced anything like this. Okay I understand Johnson's reasoning I just don't happen to agree with it.

Unlike every other US president, when trump entered the White House he did so without having had ANY government experience whatever. trump had never served in government, held elected office or even run in an election. trump's lifestyle, his history, his lack of any clearly defined political program or beliefs is completely unlike any of his predecessors. While it is undeniably true that no US president ever faced anything like what trump is facing, chalking it all off to political persecution seems totally unrealistic.

Johnson also said on Fox News Sunday he "knew some of the justices on the Supreme Court personally," adding, "This will be overturned, guys, there’s no question about it." This isn't Matt Gaetz or emptyg that said this. This is the Speaker of the House of Representatives. That sounds very concerning to me. Reminds me of comments attributed to Prime Minister Viktor Orbán of Hungary. That if you have the judges it doesn't matter what the law is.

Is that where we're going? Is that where trump and his allies plan to take us? :eye-poppi
 
newyorkguy said:
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson said on a Fox News program:


trump has been impeached twice, he's been the target of NY State civil action and a criminal proceeding. As a result of the civil action he has a judgement against him in the hundreds of millions of dollars. In the criminal trial he was found guilty of all 34 counts. He faces criminal actions in Washington DC, in Florida and in Georgia. Johnson and others are correct, no US president has ever faced anything like this. Okay I understand Johnson's reasoning I just don't happen to agree with it.

Unlike every other US president, when trump entered the White House he did so without having had ANY government experience whatever. trump had never served in government, held elected office or even run in an election. trump's lifestyle, his history, his lack of any clearly defined political program or beliefs is completely unlike any of his predecessors. While it is undeniably true that no US president ever faced anything like what trump is facing, chalking it all off to political persecution seems totally unrealistic.

Johnson also said on Fox News Sunday he "knew some of the justices on the Supreme Court personally," adding, "This will be overturned, guys, there’s no question about it." This isn't Matt Gaetz or emptyg that said this. This is the Speaker of the House of Representatives. That sounds very concerning to me. Reminds me of comments attributed to Prime Minister Viktor Orbán of Hungary. That if you have the judges it doesn't matter what the law is.

Is that where we're going? Is that where trump and his allies plan to take us? :eye-poppi
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Yes and yes. And some of our Trump supporting members are perfectly fine with it.
 
newyorkguy said:
Is that where we're going? Is that where trump and his allies plan to take us? :eye-poppi
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Yes.

The Republican Party has made absolutely no secret for decades about their plans to capture the judiciary. They told everyone what they were going to do. And then they did it. And the Democrats just sat there not believing any of it.

Trump campaigned on the promise to appoint judges to achieve the desired outcome on the abortion question. And he kept his promise.

The absolute garbage that passes for reasoning in many of the recent Supreme Court cases evinces that Orbán's maxim is alive and well in the United States. The avenues by which a New York State criminal matter can be appealed into the federal judiciary are limited. But the Roberts Court has been very imaginative on the subject of jurisdiction and standing, as was also the Rehnquist Court.
 
If the Great American Experiment fails, it will not come from without, but from within. The extreme right is doing all it can to accomplish that, all the while claiming it's saving it. Look to history.
 
The Don said:
I certainly don't.

Furthermore, payment of any fine will be delayed by years through a combination of appeals and simply not paying and not a penny will come out of President Trump's pocket. Instead it'll be MAGA cult members and/or corporate or foreign sponsors who foot the bill.

President Trump himself will not be inconvenienced at all. :mad:
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Convicted felon Trump.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Convicted felon Trump.
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....and amazingly enough presumptive GOP candidate and person who has a significant chance of winning the next presidential election Trump.

I note that his polling numbers are largely unaffected and that 34% of Republicans are more likely to vote for him. :confused:
 
Stacyhs said:
If the Great American Experiment fails, it will not come from without, but from within. The extreme right is doing all it can to accomplish that, all the while claiming it's saving it. Look to history.
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Which is why I like the nickname "Bến Tre Trump".
"It became necessary to destroy the country to save it."
 
newyorkguy said:
I understand the arrogance of an Elon Musk but how about all the other pro-trump/trump defenders who aren't billionaires and didn't grow up in South Africa? As example, most pro-trump/trump defenders write, say and post that Biden is behind the hush money prosecution despite most legal people saying it's almost certainly false. The people who insist it's false can cite chapter and verse why it is untrue.

But pro-trump/trump defenders just repeat it without ever being willing to discuss it. If you say to a magamutt, "Biden is behind the New York prosecution? Michael Cohen was convicted of the same crime in 2018 when trump was president, not Biden. New York waited to investigate and possibly indict trump too but they held off because trump was a 'sitting president.' I say Biden has nothing to do with all of this. Think I'm wrong? Okay, convince me." But they won't try to convince me. The conversation is over.

Again, using Biden orchestrating the hush money charges and trial. Joe Tacopina just said it was ridiculous. You would expect some of trump defenders would react, explain -- in detail -- why it's NOT ridiculous. Only they won't react and they won't offer any rationale. Other than maybe to call Tacopina names.

It's bizarre. :boggled:
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The banality of evil.
 
Norman Alexander said:
The USA doesn't have to worry about the intelligent folks who believe stupid things. Lara Trump is the perfect example why I am more reluctant than ever to revisit the USA.

If Trump becomes president, having such self-centred, stupid-arsed, pea-brained, fascist, racist people like her being put in charge of anything, public safety and the rule of law is going to be the first thing that will be lost. And it is shaping up to be almost as bad if he loses. Because there are enough guns already in the USA to have a decent sized war for years. And these people actually WANT that! They want complete mayhem and bloodshed, they've said that over and over, and Trump's controllers are sieg hieling them into it.
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I don't actually think that they do. What they want is to have come out on the winning side of such a war without ever having to take part in it, and most of them would flee if asked to stand.
 
The Don said:
....and amazingly enough presumptive GOP candidate and person who has a significant chance of winning the next presidential election Trump.

I note that his polling numbers are largely unaffected and that 34% of Republicans are more likely to vote for him. :confused:
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That MIGHT be explained by more and more moderate Republicans leaving the party, shrinking it further and leaving a rabid hard-core MAGA rump, than wholesale changes of mind.
 
Norman Alexander said:
That MIGHT be explained by more and more moderate Republicans leaving the party, shrinking it further and leaving a rabid hard-core MAGA rump, than wholesale changes of mind.
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Maybe, but Trump's poll numbers seem pretty solid. It seems that around 40% of the US electorate are fully on board with MAGA, hardly a rump. :mad:
 
Stacyhs said:
If the Great American Experiment fails, it will not come from without, but from within. The extreme right is doing all it can to accomplish that, all the while claiming it's saving it. Look to history.
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Trump does not represent the extreme right wing, nor does the Speaker, they are now firmly the bulk of the rightwing in the USA, they are simply the right wing. The nearest to extremist right wingers in the USA are now the likes of self identified Nazis and even they are not that extreme!
 
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